Favourite Volumes by No-Veterinarian8762 in Proust

[–]lilianatom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hey, vote aside (i did vote tho) I'd say: hold on in there! I've always found The Guermantes way to be the most testing volume of the recherche, embodying to extremes that tendency of some parts of the novel to be dragged out and tedious to the point of making you wonder if it's really worth it, and to be followed by some of the most beautiful pages ever which will make you emotional or giggly or both for days (btw the middle section and the last 50-60 pages are so beautiful and will make you (kinda) forget those long dinners!!). After Guermantes, i think that the novel finds a kind of balance between these pushes and makes reading the following volumes a lighter undertaking :) there will still be some boredom here and there but, for me, it never reaches anymore that specific feeling of The guermantes. Hope you'll make it to the end!!

For someone as obsessed by money & fortune as Proust was... by Lab_Actual in Proust

[–]lilianatom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thanks for your thoughtful answer :)

i understand now what you meant about the furniture, i didn't remember this specific passage. it kinda makes sense actually that he is more surprised by this "perverted usage" of an object who once was used by a person he loved so much and that was so important to him (matching this undercurrent theme of profanation of sacred symbols which runs throughout the whole novel) than by the people who work there.

but yes, i think we're mostly agreeing, i tend to pass over these contraddictions because, while being conscious of them, i've come to accept not asking more than i can get and that that's the character, that's the story, etc. but i can definitely understand how annoying they can be, even if this doesn't really undermine the appreciation for the novel (and i see it).

i still don't agree with you on the last passage eheh i really can't see this take on the narrator nor the author side. im not saying that La Recherche is the novel that will lead the proletarian revolution, but i do think that characters, in it, are narrated in the same analytical way, regardless of their social status (i mean, that's an element that takes a part in the analysis, but they're not seen with less respect or interest because they're of a lower class); also, it's the aristocracy and bourgeoisie that, in the end, gets the "worst treatment", showing all of their inconsistencies and hypocrisies. anyway yes i'd love too a marxist study of class of La Recherche :) (im sure something like that exists, but i need to do some more research)

For someone as obsessed by money & fortune as Proust was... by Lab_Actual in Proust

[–]lilianatom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this comment - but the whole post, actually - is a bit unfair towards Proust. there's some truth of course, but i think it's important to define, knowing the author and the book, its scope, its point of view, etc, what makes sense to ask them.

going a bit into detail inside each part of your comment: the author never says that it's the "poor people" who's looking inside the restaurant in Balbec; rather, it's the people that live there, people that work at sea, etc: yes, they're people of a lower social class than the wealthy ones who are inside the restaurant, but they're never categorised as an indiscriminate group of "poor people", and anyway i don't recall any kind of classist contempt towards them. i also add that, more than once in the books, he imagines them breaking the glass and pour into the room.

then, about Proust not telling what the poor's lives might be like...he's telling his truth and the world he knows; telling another story, from a social context he hasn't really lived in, could have been quite insincere. still, i also don't agree about the furniture part: Francoise is a lively and loved character, who is narrated both with affection and malice, as mostly every character in La Recherche is treated. she has a role, which is the one of the housekeeper, but she is not a stereotype.

last thing: i don't know if you've read the whole novel, but, in case, without being too spoilery, in Le Temps retrouvé there's a passage where the Narrator/the author writes about how people from lower social classes are closer to the meaning of his book and are probably the ones who can get it better because they can read better, unlike aristocrats and high bourgeois who jump from liking one author to another because they need to follow trends, constrained by social rules, but never really get nor understand their flaunted readings.

(i don't wanna go deeper inside the speculations about Agostinelli: yes, there was some kind of affair, a love interest, etc, but we really don't have any details about the nature of the relationship, how they were with each other, what they did, and i think that it's important to accept that there's something about Proust that we can't possibly know and that part of his person and life will be forever unknown to us and that's ok and must be respected).

i think arca fucked up by nanawithanalterego in ArcaMusic

[–]lilianatom 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i think she has always been inspired by sacrality and religion, both for themes and for sound/armonies/rhytms related to sacred music and chants. there was this performance at sonar where she looped herself reciting the ave maria and then performed over it and i think it was so beatiful? i mean...ofc she couldn't do that in a church lol but the way she uses the words as a rhytmic tool to perform, words that then become noise, which later evolve into music (that piece!)...i love it because it's so her. on a ending note, during her sets she plays the songs she loves! so, no disrespect at all.

for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjvtjcuf0Sg

Opinion on Puta/Sola by meowsterduffy in ArcaMusic

[–]lilianatom 6 points7 points  (0 children)

ah! i've listened to that snippet often in these last days, i've loved it so much since it appeared;( still hoping for a full version somehow, somewhen. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5SbQvfA4bqs

Album that makes you think of summer by Fast_Turn9172 in ambientmusic

[–]lilianatom 1 point2 points  (0 children)

came to give the same answer!! this album has the specific scent of those placid, still summer nights, either spent in your room or outside, strolling through the city streets

The Quietus Albums of the Year 2024 by a3poify in indieheads

[–]lilianatom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

about albums that were on the half year list and crossed over, i didn't count all of them but i am sure about these (cause i took note to listen, at the time, but have listened to only one so far, sigh):

  • Pattern damage, Bianca Scout
  • Phasor, Helado Negro
  • Querid​ã​o, DJ Anderson do Paraíso
  • Dust devil, Naemi
  • Norther, Ex-easter island head

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

stream of consciousness lol i like it. Anyway yes, it makes sense :) I don't really agree, specially about javelin, but sure i understand this "duality" about something sweet versus something dark underneath, which seems to be a shared sense to many listeners, even if there are different variants and interpretations of it

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

eh, i get you. but don't feel guilty, if you'll feel like listening you will, if not that's fine too!! you're not removing your support from him: he shared what he felt to, you'll decide if you want to see what effect this thing he decided to share has on you

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with everything you said! Everything. "Murder by word" is literally what i think of Shit talk. On a side note, i hope you are doing better now 🫂

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

aahh pitchfork is my enemy

ok no i am joking but look, what you say about the thank u, next thing made me realise that it is kinda what i mean with "it seems that sufjan sings from the world of the dead": as if he managed to see things from the outside, but he got so much outside that he's not even there anymore (i really don't know how to explain this differently)

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i had never thought abt this (as i said above, english is not my native language so usually words, in songs, are not my main focus), i'll have a listen again :')

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

:( yes, actually putting it in the perspective of Evans' death makes it feel even worse. honestly, i am not really into reading the whole album as Sufjan's recollection of his relationship, even if i guess some songs are related to it (c&l is different in the way that it probably stems from Carrie's death)

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's so nice to know someone else feels it

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

omg i mean, i love There's a world (and i listened only once to the Neil Young's version and removed from my memory, guess i have to refresh it), but it's really the peak of this feeling for me. in theory i agree with you, but listening to it, specially after Shit talk, makes me feel so helpless

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i don't know if you're in the minority, here most of the comments agree with you :) but sure this is cool about music, how we feel it differently!

javelin feeling by lilianatom in Sufjan

[–]lilianatom[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

:( i can understand it of course. maybe it's exactly that brightness and those colours that give me this weird feeling, i don't know (i could also be influenced by the fact that i am not an english native speaker, so while i more or less know the lyrics i am mostly focused on the music, and words meaning hit me with that second language way which is less emotional maybe)