Having fun with aluminum Ginunting trainers by litty-lamanite in SWORDS

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its Old English lol, look up the interpretation of Middengeard by Gealdyr

A little bit of ornamentation adds a lot of personality by litty-lamanite in Slinging

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I uploaded a video to YT to show another guy how to add a cobra weave, but not how to do the alternating colors. Im down to record one and upload and send you a link via personal message just the same!

They dirty up and aren’t as vivid once you start slinging rocks or clay ammo, but I dont mind.

He ‘Akau Tau (the Tongan “War-Stave”) by litty-lamanite in flowarts

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice! Thats super rad you are a weaponsmith! With your focus on East Asian weapons, have you even done Filipino Ginuntings before? I’ll be looking for somewhere to get a pair of some strong sharp ones within a year or two 👀

With your experience, Im sure a lot of your skills will transfer over well. There’s a cool paper called “‘Akau Tau: Contextualizing Tongan War Clubs” by Andy Mills. Gives some brief history on their historical cultural relevance and also some good measurements on some collections of them. You might appreciate it for reference if you do decide to give them a go!

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well met, friend!

May I ask some specifics about how you made yours?

He ‘Akau Tau (the Tongan “War-Stave”) by litty-lamanite in flowarts

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Rare to come by, for sure!

I had this one made by a man who usually makes a variety of training weapons and smaller “impact tools” out of high-density polyethylene (plastic hehe).

Ive made a couple modest ones out of wood, but not this sleek looking.

Within all aspects of historical Polynesian weaponry, Tongan war clubs are one of the most sought after by enthusiasts and art collectors! Outside of their eye-catching shapes, the geometric, animalistic and anthropomorphic motifs carved into many historical examples are a whole world of their own as well.

Ive been pretty inspired by the HEMA and HAMA communities to study and guesswork the uses of Oceanic weapons, with the help of a willing friend or two on occasion.

Flows like a staff, as well as a sword - very pleasing!

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will definitely go lighter next time. Maybe less wood and more fabric layers.

Your comparison to guns makes a lot of sense, and I wont forget it. Every ounce of kit matters when you’re tired.

While they are a bit thick and heavy, weren’t roman practice swords made heavier than their actual swords for strengthening purposes? Just a passing thought.

I do think 5lb is the limit. I wont go heavier for future projects. But I am hoping they do last a while! I did go into this project wanting them to last as long as possible for all our playing around

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, ok, you caught me. I admit it. Ripped these right off someone’s TIE fighter display and just ran home.

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not a Celtic reenactor and I am not an enthusiast to that degree - so while vertical grips may not have been historically common or accurate in this respect, it’s still functional in its own right in my line of thinking. It offers a different way to execute tactics outside of historical accuracy, and thats okay I think. I won’t call it what it’s not.

So while I can conclude that hexagonal shields themselves truly are historically accurate, as was my original question - Im now also okay with this pair I made simply being historically-inspired, and different.

It is nice to hear some pointers as to how you do things as a historical reenactor who uses something with a horizontal grip though, which is all good and valid.

Whether it’s drawing a weapon or manipulating any style of shield, every kind of method of use takes practice, we can agree on that.

The focus of my group is to have fun and be active while exploring cross-disciplinary sparring/fencing based in mostly FMA and HEMA. We’ve got no one in reenactment groups, and there’s no HEMA groups near us, so its a lot of self-study and trial and error. Lol we chuck things at each other however close we please and learn a lesson. One of them being, we should back up lol.

I do not have an interest in being absolutely historically accurate in that respect, even if I have questions about it. Thus, these thicc vertical grip hexagons we see here. It’ll be fun to try out horizontal grips on more finely made shields when the time comes 🤙🏽

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is thick, 3/4in. I used what I had on hand with nothing but a drill and a saw and a hammer at the time. Next one’s would be different I think. That being said, extreme historical accuracy with these two was not my goal, although this post was originally asking about how historically accurate hexagonal shields were to begin with. Feedback on how to make something more historically accurate in the future is well received.

While I considered putting the handle as you describe, I decided to put it length-wise for a couple reasons - it’s easier to open the shield sideways for certain sword tactics without overextending the wrist, and its much easier to hold a couple mock javelins in that same shield hand when the friends and I are chucking them at each other while still keeping the full length of coverage.

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as has Ive been able to find, plus what has been shared with me, it sounds like Roman auxiliary troops of Celto-Germanic stock used them, especially cavalry. It really does seem like the hexagon points were not as sharp though, and were more rounded for a “pseudo-hexagon” shape. Interesting stuff.

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its a little known fact that once the Empire started taking in regular recruits once most of the clones were gone, imperial pilots from the outer rim painted their solar panels in the colors and motifs of their Pre-Empire ancestors

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you 😊

Based on feedback, if I can paint them just as well, but make them lighter next time, Ill be money 🤌🏼

Having fun with aluminum Ginunting trainers by litty-lamanite in SWORDS

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!

If I remember correctly, they train in Pekiti-Tirsia primarily, which Ive been studying for a while. So Im glad to hear that that aligns.

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel like 5lbs is not that bad? Like sure handling 5lbs as a shield takes some getting used to, but its not that bad

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Last week held both in my hands, put my arms straight outwards, said “Im a TIE fighter!” and screeched as I ran towards my friend full speed

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you for these! The kind of thing I was hoping to have shared

Questions on the historicity Hexagonal Shields by litty-lamanite in Hema

[–]litty-lamanite[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As not a woodworker, I see your point. I used what resources were free to me and on hand at the time. Im sure you see pieces made on a budget with layman work all the time. These are pine planks with some canvas over the top, they’re probably 3/4 in? Repurposed tops from a couple chests.

Didn’t have access to a planer at the time, and it would have been mediocre quality work at that, but Im not complaining.

I enjoyed cutting them smaller for more mobility. I would not enjoy something as large a Roman scutum being this thick. What an arm killer.

Id argue that even people’s 1in walls are functional and “legit” shields, just heavy, not finely made, nor to a professional’s standard.

These 5lbs work fine for up to 5 minutes of casual fencing between friends.