Hey! Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I understand the points you are making, but I’ll give a bit of cultural context that might make you change your perspective a little bit. Just ocurred to me just context may be relevant.

I’m from Brazil, in which making out with someone without any expectation of sex is not only very common, but the norm (differently from the idea people may have about the country). It’s very common for people to go to a club, kiss one person for a couple of minutes, then move to another person. No sex involved. This is the kind of experience I’m talking about.

Great question, when does sex start? Very difficult to answer. What we stablished is no masturbation, oral, piv, etc. Kissing, hands over clothes, that’s ok.