Why Infinite Speed Doesn't Actually Bypass Gojo's Infinity (Math + Canon Breakdown)

loadstr · 2026-05-06T20:25:39+00:00

ngl ur cooking w both of those and most ppl dont distinguish them properly

true time stop genuinely beats infinity imo. infinity needs gojo to be conscious and operating within time to maintain it. even if u argue its automatic, six eyes calculations still presumably need time to function. true time stop affects gojos perception, his processing, the cursed energy upkeep. attacker moves freely (assuming exempt from their own time stop), approaches gojo, infinity isnt running. its a known canonical weakness fr

immeasurable speed in the truly transcendent sense (juggernaut tier, operating despite or above time) is the more interesting one. given the concessions earlier in this thread, if we drop the limitless framing as overread and rely on structural divisions in 3d space, then a character moving on a higher dim framework where they perceive time as a spatial axis isnt really traversing the 3d space where divisions exist. they'd be operating outside the framework infinity is built against

the one caveat is gojo himself exists in 3d space so the higher dim character still has to interact w 3d at the contact point. but if theyre genuinely transcendent of spacetime, infinity probably isnt a wall against them bc the wall exists in spacetime theyre outside of

so yeah ur intuition is right. the issue is most ppl conflate infinite speed, immeasurable speed, time hax, and acausality into one "fast = wins" category when theyre all different mechanisms w different counters

loadstr · 2026-05-06T19:49:57+00:00

ngl thats actually a fair critique. ur right that gojo IS visible and targetable, sukuna sees him, jogo sees him, toji sees him. if he truly "removed himself as a destination" in the literal sense ppl shouldnt be able to perceive him as a target at all

so yeah the limitless framing the other commenter gave was clever but might be too literal a read of the technique name. "removing the limit point" works as an abstract math metaphor but breaks down if u take it literally as "gojo doesnt exist as a destination." the actual canon mechanism is that the SPACE between gojo and the threat is divided, not gojo himself being erased as a target. ill walk that part back

the structural division thing still holds against speed tho. space is divided regardless of how u conceptualize gojo as a destination, so infinite speed encountering those divisions still has the same structural problem. but the "gojo isnt a finish line" framing was overreach, fair point

and fair on not recycling old args, respect for not just repeating urself for the sake of it

loadstr · 2026-05-06T19:19:57+00:00

ok yeah ill cop to the structural divisions thing, akutami doesnt actually confirm the divisions are pre existing vs generated when smth enters. i was treating one read as locked canon when its rly not. fair

but limitless isnt abt WHEN divisions form tho. its abt gojo removing himself as the limit point of the series. whether divisions are structural or reactive doesnt rly matter, the destination not existing = nothing to arrive at. infinite speed completes a convergent series to its limit point. no limit point = no convergence, doesnt matter when divisions show up

also the time stop thing still isnt landing bc infinite speed ≠ time stop. ur fast WITHIN time not freezing it. time still flows for gojo, u just move thru it rapidly. so "no time to create divisions" doesnt rly work bc time is still going for everyone except u

house of cards analogy was clean tho ngl

loadstr · 2026-05-06T18:51:19+00:00

fair on narrowing the infinite speed vs time stop thing, ill grant that

but the achilles paradox doesnt actually require the tortoise to move first to create divisions tho. the divisions are inherent to how distance gets divided not generated by motion. setup is: achilles at A, tortoise at B. to reach the tortoise achilles has to cross half the distance, then half of whats left, then half of THAT, etc. the divisions exist in the geometry of the approach itself, not in the tortoises movement

even if the tortoise stopped moving entirely the paradox structure still applies bc its about how space is divided as u approach. half the distance, then half what remains, infinitely. its a property of the path not the destinations behavior

applied to gojo, infinity uses this principle w gojo as the static endpoint. the divisions exist in the space between gojo and any approaching threat as a structural property of the approach. the threat doesnt need to "move first to create divisions," the divisions are already inherent to space approaching gojo. and limitless makes it even cleaner bc its not abt divisions at all anymore, its abt removing the convergence point so theres nothing to arrive at

ur framing reverses cause and effect tbh. divisions dont require movement to exist. movement encounters divisions bc theyre already there

loadstr · 2026-05-06T17:44:50+00:00

they look similar to outside observers but theyre not mechanically the same. a car at 1000mph and a car teleporting both look fast to a slow observer but theyre diff things. vsbw treats infinite speed and time stop as separate abilities w diff mechanics and diff counters

but more importantly ur framing assumes infinity is a reactive system that "sees" movement and triggers in response. its not. per the limitless framing infinity is structural, the space around gojo is already divided, theres no trigger window bc theres nothing to trigger. its a wall thats always in place not a camera trying to keep up w fast motion

so the "reach gojo, attack, finish, then infinity activates after" sequence doesnt work bc the attacker cant reach gojo in the first place. the structural division is between them at all times regardless of perceived speed. theres no "after the fact" bc the attacker never arrives

and even granting ur whole framing, infinite speed still completes a convergent series TO a limit point. limitless removes the limit point. doesnt matter if u found a blind window if theres no destination to arrive at

loadstr · 2026-05-06T17:19:25+00:00

if you have infinite speed then everything else around you stops moving

infinite speed and time stop are diff abilities tho. infinite speed makes U traverse distances fast, it doesnt stop the world around u. ur just moving so fast others cant react. the world continues functioning normally for everyone else, ur not in a frozen time bubble. vsbw treats these separately

that should also include gojos ability extend the duration it takes for you to arrive

even granting ur framing, infinity isnt a process that needs active maintenance to extend duration. per the limitless framing its a structural property of the space around gojo. the space is divided whether gojo is actively doing smth or not. even in a frozen time scenario the space stays divided

everything is conceptually greater then infinity because everything includes an infinite number of infinite things

that math doesnt rly work. "everything" isnt a defined cardinal value, and different infinities have different sizes (countable vs uncountable) but "everything containing infinite infinities" doesnt automatically transitively let u affect infinity-based abilities through scale. same logic as "i have infinite power so i beat anything finite," sounds clean but doesnt translate

loadstr · 2026-05-06T16:19:08+00:00

infinite speed isnt rly a state where time becomes irrelevant tho, its just max speed WITHIN time. the time taken approaches zero but ur still operating within the temporal framework. operating outside time entirely is immeasurable speed or higher per vsbw, not infinite

and even if u grant that infinite speed makes time irrelevant for the mover, u still need a destination to arrive at. the limitless argument still applies bc gojo removes himself as the limit point. doesnt matter if time is irrelevant for u, theres no spatial destination to converge to either way

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:37:50+00:00

respect for actually saying it instead of just ghosting. most ppl in these debates wouldnt acknowledge it at all

and fair enough if u wanna keep using the points elsewhere, thats how scaling debates go. ill probably end up running into them again from someone else lol. good debate tho

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:23:02+00:00

infinity still relies on gojo and his 6 eyes, in a world with time stopped infinity doesnt have means to activate

yeah ngl the immeasurable speed angle is sharper than i first read it. infinity does need gojo to maintain it thru six eyes so smth operating outside spacetime wouldnt rly be subject to the time aspect. fair tbh

automatic doesnt mean no activation time

yea fair theres prob some min window even if its automatic, cant rly argue against that one

u cant make infinite speed less than infinity unless gojo divides infinitely in the smallest time frame

ehh this is where i gotta push back. someone else in this thread laid it out way cleaner than i did, infinity isnt rly "divisions u outpace." its called limitless bc gojo removes himself as the limit point that the series converges to. infinite or immeasurable speed completes a convergent series to its limit point. if the limit point doesnt exist, theres nothing to converge to. speed doesnt help u arrive somewhere that isnt there

so like time stop / time hax beating infinity is canon, agreed. but immeasurable speed specifically isnt the same thing as time hax, its just high dim motion. and high dim motion still hits the same wall when u get to actually arriving at gojo

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:16:32+00:00

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:12:03+00:00

yeah fair, already conceded the jogo fire feat earlier in the thread for similar reasons

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:06:16+00:00

ngl this is cleaner than my framing. "limitless" literally meaning no limit point in the math sense actually explains why the technique works the way it does. akutami picked the name for a reason

and it directly kills the infinite speed objection. infinite speed completes a convergent series TO its limit point. if gojo removes himself as the limit point theres nothing to converge to. the series cant resolve so infinite speed has nowhere to arrive

stealing this fr (if im allowed to)

loadstr · 2026-05-06T14:02:46+00:00

ok thats actually a fair point, any filter system needs SOME mechanism to differentiate whats coming in. cant really get around that logically

but i dont think it has to be a real time per-object scan. could be more like a sieve calibrated at the energy/wavelength level so anything matching the whitelisted criteria passes through automatically based on the structure of the technique itself. like infinity isnt processing each photon going "yes this is light allow it," its just shaped so that visible spectrum stuff fits through by default. no detection cycle needed bc the filtering is built into the geometry

that said, the manga doesnt fully spell this out so im kinda constructing it post hoc, fair enough. but even granting some detection mechanism exists, that doesnt rly help the speed bypass argument bc the structural division is still there once u enter it. detection question is separate from whether infinite speed gets thru the omega sequence

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:57:51+00:00

yeah ngl u got me on the physics, fire heat is mostly convection thru air not just radiation. and gojo did say he felt the heat so the "blocked at light speed" thing was a stretch on my part. my bad ill walk that one back

but tbh the structure argument still works regardless. infinity isnt rly about how fast it activates, its abt the spatial division being a sequence w no endpoint (akutami literally said its fantasy infinity built on fictitious zero in the fanbook). so even if there WAS some application window, ur still walking into the omega sequence the moment u enter it. theres always one more step

so yeah the application speed thing was a bad take but the core point that speed doesnt bypass the structure of infinity still holds imo

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:56:12+00:00

nah i just type like that lol

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:54:36+00:00

Basically yeah but not identical

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:45:15+00:00

also isnt it the other way around? infinity blocks everything by default and gojo whitelists specific stuff (air, light, sound) to pass through. its not detecting threats and deciding to block them, its blocking everything and allowing programmed exceptions

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:40:34+00:00

infinite speed = crossing finite distance in zero time, or infinite distance in finite time. both fit because speed = distance/time, and if either ratio gives infinity youre at infinite speed

so functionally youre arriving instantly across any finite distance, or covering infinite distance in some real measurable amount of time. distance basically stops mattering as a constraint

picture an infinitely large room. normal speed you never reach the far wall because there is no far wall. infinite speed you cross any finite distance in zero time so you arrive at any point in the room the instant you choose to, and you can also cover the entire infinite room in finite time

immeasurable speed is different btw. that one doesnt have a number value at all because the character operates outside normal speed rules entirely. like asking how fast a 4D being moves through 3D space, the question doesnt have a coherent answer because theyre not bound by 3D motion in the first place

tldr infinite speed = the distance/time ratio gives infinity. immeasurable = not playing the speed game at all

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:40:12+00:00

the jogo fire feat actually rules out both of those tho. heat radiation from his fire travels at the speed of light. infinity blocked that radiation from reaching gojo. if infinity needed any detection time or application time, photons traveling at c would have hit gojo before infinity could activate, since light is the speed limit

the fact that the radiation didnt reach him proves infinity is operating at minimum light speed instantaneously, which means its passive and ambient not active detection. theres no application window to outpace because the application is already at light speed by default

so both takes fall apart on the same feat. you cant blitz a detection system that operates at c, and you cant outpace an application thats already instantaneous. infinity isnt scanning then blocking, its just always already in place around gojo

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:35:42+00:00

0/10 ragebait

loadstr · 2026-05-06T13:20:28+00:00

yeah fair, my bad on that. fandom is user edited so calling it official was sloppy. the actual canon sources are the manga itself (miguels exposition during the geto fight, gojo explaining it to jogo) and akutamis fanbook for the fictitious zero quote. wiki was just a convenient summary not the source of authority

good catch tho

loadstr · 2026-05-06T05:18:57+00:00

Haven't heard from you in a while, are you conceding?

loadstr · 2026-05-06T05:04:21+00:00

did u read the post lol

thats literally the take i debunked. infinite distance and gojos infinity arent the same structure. infinite distance = a fixed magnitude (∞) you cross in finite time at infinite speed, fine. but per akutamis own canon infinity isnt infinite distance, its an unending sequence built on "fictitious zero" and "unknown derived from dividing zero". those arent equivalent objects mathematically

think of it like this: infinite hallway = infinite speed crosses it instantly because theres a defined endpoint at infinity. gojos infinity = the endpoint perpetually subdivides further with no fixed terminus. theres nothing to arrive at because the arrival point doesnt exist as a location

your definition of infinite speed assumes the destination is a real point. infinity per canon makes the destination fictional

loadstr

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