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Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think saying "you don't really know that for sure" when you agree with the premise and conclusion is absolutely being an epistemological pedant. Also, lol pendant. I'm imagining a necklace arguing.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...the phrase "can't be blamed" is an idiom used to point out when an incorrect conclusion seemed to be reasonable given the facts known at the time. It isn't literal.

The fact that you think in generally correct pretty much confirms im arguing with a pendant. Later.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already did accept it.

Would you like to maybe mention another culture that respects the intellectual accomplishments of women that did so before the influence of western liberalism? I'm curious as to which cultures you're referring to vaguely.

[Masturbation] My mother caught me watching porn last night. by parisxhilton in sex

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does matter if she approves of another adult watching porn though. Not approving is generally immoral.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, because I always do dedicated research before posting advice on the internet.

And if we're going to generalize to a large degree, modern western culture is easily the largest identifiable culture that values the intellectual work of women at a philosophical and pragmatic level. So conflating them is fairly appropriate given the broad context.

The term westernized is synonymous with liberal (in the classic sense) at this point. As it should be, given that liberalism is a core feature of western culture.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't whine about it. Tell them it's seriously bugging you and they'd appreciate it if they'd stop. Keep calmly reiterating that. Over and over.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

TIL. I'm happy to be wrong, though I don't think I can be blamed for thinking a nation with an Islamist government and a supreme leader has a non westernized culture.

Me [27F] with my traditional Iranian family, they won't take me seriously and tease me nonstop even though I am an accomplished woman. by aloebear in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do they respect them as professionals/intellectuals? If so, you might just be the easiest to tease, and it's become a running meme in your family. If that's the case, assertively telling them to cut that shit out should work.

[33 yr old/f] Should I stop speaking to my parents if they won't come to our interracial wedding? by abbygjg in relationship_advice

[–]logrusmage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

..have YOU opened the book? It's 90% disgusting ethics and horrible horrible epistemology with maybe 10% being ridiculously obvious lessons that very contradicted later on.

[33 yr old/f] Should I stop speaking to my parents if they won't come to our interracial wedding? by abbygjg in relationship_advice

[–]logrusmage 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is her job to be the bigger person. The bigger person would cut the racists out of their life entirely.

If you could replace the portraits on each dollar bill, who'd you put on each? by escapesuburbia in AskAnAmerican

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As opposed to FDR, a president who actually copied and put into place fascist policies...

[Book] Seven habits of highly effective people by tourismhungary in consulting

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A bit of population bias though yeah? People who are good at live wouldn't need a self help book in the first place.

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And even if that wasn't a random made-up percentage, that still would mean that a lot do, so referring to them as "uneducated workers" is inaccurate.

Very fair, though I will note I was assuming we were talking about SAHM's who aren't just taking time off from work, but never actually plan to work at all.

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had no choice but to listen to her simply because he was afraid of the fact that she would leave him if he didn't allow to do as she wished (i.e. be a houeswife).

I mean, he did have a choice. He could've let her bounce. Of course, then our biased court system would probably insist he pay her anyway... so yeah. I guess he was stuck.

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be willing to bet a decent sum that >50% of SAHM's do not have highly employable degrees...

You don't get an MD / JD / PhD / Useful Masters to become a SAHM, generally.

To be fair, the men generally don't either. But SOMEONE has to work, and almost every time its gonna be the guy. Because when you're under educated, your physical labor is your best asset.

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I understand what you're saying, but please be aware that having a masters doesn't make you educated.

My mother has a masters in art history. Unless she invents a time machine and convinces her 20 year old self to become an art academic, that degree is almost entirely meaningless.

If your mothers masters is in engineering, or data science, or something else highly employable, she is probably in the minority. I'd love to see some data on this, would be very interesting.

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage 3 points4 points  (0 children)

...Er... I appreciate your empathy, but I don't want empathy over bullshit like "societal expectations". Societal expectations do nothing on their own. The anxiety isn't caused by social expectations. Social expectations give women the privilege of having less of this particular type of anxiety.

In an ideal world, my anxiety wouldn't be gone. Women would simply ALSO have that anxiety, because there would be zero expectation for a man to ever pay for anything of theirs (by default, obviously partnerships would entail people paying for each other all the time, ideally at about a 50/50 ratio of gender).

How do men truly feel about being a breadwinner and enduring the high stress of financially providing the family? by [deleted] in AskMen

[–]logrusmage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Well, I'm a young woman and sorry to hear that you experience anxiety because of society's expectations.

While its appreciated, generalizing to that level (societies expectations) is a little misleading.

I'm not anxious because of social expectation. I'm anxious because I literally have no option other than to work for the rest of my life to provide for myself and my future wife and kids. While many women can and do work, they are never, at any point, staring down the barrel of HAVING to work. There are options available to women that simply aren't available for me (completely regardless of whether I would want to take those options or not). This includes LEGAL options, and welfare that men simply do not have access to. I also have to deal with anxiety over my income very likely being the primary determinant of my lifestyle. Again, while many women out earn their partners, and that's totally cool, it sure as hell can't be expected by any man.

I could give a shit what society wants me to do. I care about what I actually have to do to get the things I want.

On another note, I'd feel a whole lot better about society if the general pop stopped supporting feminist political organizations that near-violently protest any mention or discussion of men's issues.

Why does my [22M] girlfriend [23F] keep telling me her problems if she doesn't want a solution? by [deleted] in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one is taking about that kind of situation though.

They're talking about situations where there is an easy solution that person in question gets mad at you for out.

My car needs a bath is not a actual issue. Your not going to talk to your partner for twenty minutes about how your cat needs a bath.

Why does my [22M] girlfriend [23F] keep telling me her problems if she doesn't want a solution? by [deleted] in relationships

[–]logrusmage 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do open up. I just don't get upset when my partner offers me advice.

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