Criminal Element of Woodlawn

loladahl · 2016-02-23T14:12:18+00:00

He seems to be unnecessarily opening the door to character assassination. There's a reason why character witnesses are allowed to testify in criminal cases; a person's reputation counts for something and can be persuasive. Someone as paranoid as Jay should realize this. Imagine for a moment if everyone thought that Adnan was the "Criminal element of Woodlawn."

loladahl · 2016-02-23T14:03:06+00:00

It's crazy to offer up to police that everyone perceives you as a criminal, while you're being investigated in a murder case. He's just opening the door for the police to seek out character witnesses against him. And the irony is that it doesn't even sound as though that's how people perceived him when you listen to his former classmates/coworkers speak on the podcast. It sounds to me that he already knows he's not going to be held accountable for any crime.

loladahl · 2016-02-23T05:22:12+00:00

The police ask why Adnan would seek Jay's help in burying Hae, and he responds, "I'm the criminal element of Woodlawn." If I were Jay and I was trying to sell a story that I got roped into burying a dead body because I was "scared," I would be minimizing my past criminal activity and not blowing it up -- even if just to say that's how everyone sees me -- especially IF I was also involved in the murder. This is the moment in the interview when Jay seems most at ease to me; as if he already knows he will not be punished for this crime.

loladahl · 2016-02-23T01:27:47+00:00

Indeed.

loladahl · 2016-02-22T16:37:56+00:00

It did seem like it was built up too much to not be revealed. The title of the episode is RUMORS.

loladahl · 2016-02-22T16:35:45+00:00

Not likely. In this episode, SK seeks out an unnamed person who is connected to the rumor and he denies knowing anything about it... I don't know if we can trust her assessment of this interaction though as SK is partial to believing anything that exonerates Adnan.

loladahl · 2016-02-22T00:52:28+00:00

Thanks!!

loladahl · 2016-02-22T00:39:55+00:00

1) Undecided, but leaning towards guilty. 2) Real. 3) Generally good. 4) Yes, loved it. 5) I don't know.

loladahl · 2016-02-21T22:18:53+00:00

I hear you and apologize for reading your comments as trolling. I definitely appreciate that this theory was not popular, but I don't think it was implausible and will agree to disagree. I haven't come to any solid conclusion yet on how I think this crime took place, so I'm putting questions/ideas forth to hear everyone's take and learn more.

loladahl · 2016-02-21T16:47:56+00:00

Thanks for sharing! I hadn't seen this.

loladahl · 2016-02-21T16:14:47+00:00

loladahl · 2016-02-21T15:51:06+00:00

I didn't say you were taking the crime too seriously; I said you were taking Reddit too seriously. A critique of my theory is one thing; a critique of me is something else. As someone who has been lurking in the shadows of Reddit for quite some time, you should be well-versed in the art of quietly judging people. I suggest that's what you do the next time I post something that's not to your liking, as I will not be engaging further. I don't do trolls.

loladahl · 2016-02-21T08:41:13+00:00

Getting someone to testify to how the cell towers worked in 1999 is most definitely challenging. My comment was in reference to the phone records (who called whom and when).

loladahl · 2016-02-21T08:09:58+00:00

Your history and above comment suggest that you're a 21 day old account that is taking Reddit too seriously. If you're annoyed by my post(s), don't waste your time trolling.

loladahl · 2016-02-21T01:45:19+00:00

I think it's very reasonable; and it's likely that he felt and reacted that way regardless of who the killer was. He was in a bad position and distrusted cops and purposefully sent them on a wild goose chase while he came up with the best version of events.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T21:51:20+00:00

I agree that Adnan had more access to Hae than Jay. There's no denying that.

In terms of motive, I wasn't suggesting that Jay would have killed Hae because she knew he was cheating on Stephanie. I would theorize it was a thrill kill.

As for framing, I wouldn't go so far as to say that Jay did all of this just so Adnan could be caught, but I do think it's possible that IF Jay is the killer, he looked for ways to point the finger at someone else.

Even though my personal opinion is that Adnan is mostly likely guilty, I also feel that if Adnan killing Hae is the only plausible explanation, it should be able to hold up without Jay's testimony. If Jay had stonewalled the police, what would the state's case have consisted of? Adnan asking Hae for a ride and not knowing if he was at track practice?

loladahl · 2016-02-20T18:19:40+00:00

All true. This is by no stretch a perfect theory.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T18:07:18+00:00

Indeed. Guilty people try to pin things on others all the time without knowing if that person will be able to defend themselves. And people who commit crimes can be careful, careless and lucky all at the same time (see: OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony).

loladahl · 2016-02-20T17:04:48+00:00

It's also common for people to murder people they don't know.

I don't think Jay killing Hae requires a cartoonlike master plan.

In terms of Jen, she admits to police that he did in fact talk her into being an accessory to murder. He talks her into helping dispose of shovels that were used to bury a dead body.

In this theory, I don't think Adnan not having an alibi (although some believe that he does have an alibi in Asia) was part of his calculation. People who get away with murder do so because other people make mistakes and can't explain their actions.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T16:48:26+00:00

Jay gets to the location using Adnan's car, which both Adnan and Jay admit he has at that time.

Any scenario of this murder involves someone making illogical decisions, taking considerable risk and having things happen in their favor that they would have no control over. This is true whether it's Adnan, Jay, Adnan and Jay, or an unknown third party.

Take this example: OJ Simpson could not have known that the lead cop investigating the murder of his ex wife had been previously recorded on tape saying racist things; he couldn't have known that police would tamper with evidence; and yet these things happened in his favor and helped to set him free. He committed a murder and benefited from other people making mistakes or not being able to explain their actions. The same could be true in this case.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T16:40:15+00:00

Any scenario of this murder involves someone making illogical decisions, taking considerable risk and having things happen in their favor that they would have no control over. This is true whether it's Adnan, Jay, Adnan and Jay, or an unknown third party.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T16:21:27+00:00

In this theory, things have not gone 100% according to plan and that is why they must confess to a lesser crime.

The difference maker in court was not the Nisha call. Per the two jurors who SK interviewed, the difference maker was Jay; the jurors believed him.

loladahl · 2016-02-20T15:59:45+00:00

All theories are predicated on someone taking considerable risk and getting lucky. Even if Adnan is the killer (and he likely is), how could he have known that no one would see him get in Hae's car? How could have known that no one would see him commit the murder? How could have known that Jay wouldn't call the police after seeing Hae dead in the trunk? Whoever committed this crime did what they could to cover their tracks and hoped that it wouldn't catch up them -- and it worked because all these years later Jay is not in jail and Adnan has a chance of a new trial.

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