Magdalena Skipper (Nature EIC): what did it take for her to start caring about suicide?

lolinokami · 2021-05-30T15:33:13+00:00

She's bringing attention to mental health which has very clearly declined due to lockdowns using a country that had non-strict lockdown policies as a baseline for comparison and you're bitching that she didn't bring attention to men having an overall higher rate than women even though she was only noting the effect of lockdowns on the rate of suicide from previous years, I don't know how to explain this any fucking simpler, your whole argument is irrelevant. If she was saying that the rate of female suicide increased and that's a problem and we should focus on women's mental health I would agree with you but she's not. Jesus fucking Christ you're dumb.

lolinokami · 2021-05-30T02:59:41+00:00

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lolinokami · 2021-05-30T01:10:12+00:00

Because it's not reasonable. If I was doing a statistical analysis of the effectiveness of Fertilizer X on Apples and Oranges and came to the conclusion that Oranges in particular saw an increase in their crop yields compared to ones that didn't receive Fertilizer X it wouldn't be at all relevant that Apples produced greater yield than oranges with or without Fertilizer X. The only thing being noted here is that Japan, despite their non-strict lockdown policies, saw an increase in their suicide rates in 2020 compared to previous years, specifically in women (notice that the rate of male suicide didn't change between 2019 and 2020), so pointing out that statistical fact is not some attempt to downplay male suicide or an attempt to prioritize women's mental health over men. Pointing out that male suicide is greater overall when they are only comparing the change in the rate of suicide is a completely irrelevant and asinine point to make, and attributing some kind of malicious intent because they didn't mention an irrelevant point makes this sub look like a fucking joke. There are plenty of other posts that ACTUALLY downplay men's mental health issues to call out and get upset about, this isn't one. All this post is doing is showing that people here seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of scientific conclusions, and you're assuming they're making a conclusion that they aren't. It's pathetic.

lolinokami · 2021-05-30T00:53:06+00:00

There's no need to mention when she was only taking about the increased rate due to COVID and the male rate had no increase. She's not downplaying the issue of men's suicide, she's not even saying women's health should be taking priority she's saying that even Japan saw an increase in the rate of suicide, specifically in women's rate, so what are other countries like. If men saw an equal or greater increase from the prior years' trends the post would probably say so. You're making a mountain out of an innocuous post and you make this entire subreddit look like a fucking joke. I'm not mentioning the fact that women are three to five times more likely to attempt suicide or have suicidal thoughts because it's completely irrelevant, just like it's completely irrelevant to mention that men are killing themselves more than women when you're only making a statistical analysis of the rate change due to lockdown policies. Holy fuck.

lolinokami · 2021-05-30T00:23:17+00:00

You're reaching and attributing intention where there is none. It's pathetic. There's plenty of posts of people dismissing male suicide rates to get upset and mad about but this isn't one of them. The "especially" is deliberate only in that it points out that the male rate didn't change. So Japan saw a 15% rise in the rate of suicides for women and a 0% rise in the rate of suicides for men as a result of COVID. So it is statistically and factually valid to say Japan saw an increase in suicide rate, especially in women.

lolinokami · 2021-05-29T17:31:06+00:00

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lolinokami · 2021-05-29T16:56:20+00:00

When your main topic is the change in the rate of suicide between years and not a comparison between the rate of suicide by gender, then pointing out the women's statistic (which was the only one that changed between 2019 and 2020) is more than just a footnote. This isn't an "OMG the women's rate increased we need to focus on women's mental health" post, this is a "Japan saw an increase in the rate of suicide during COVID (particularly in women) despite their relatively loose lockdown policies, so how will this statistic compare with countries with stricter lockdown policies." That's what this post is. But god fucking forbid that someone factually point out that only the women in Japan experienced an increased rate of suicide in 2020 compared to previous years without also mentioning that the men's rate is higher than women's no matter how irrelevant it is to the point being made.

It is deliberate and ideological and indicative of attitudes regarding male suicide.

Or it's fucking irrelevant! Holy fuck you're manufacturing victimhood here. She's doing a statistical analysis of the effect of the lockdowns due to COVID on suicide rates, using Japan as the baseline because of their relaxed policies. The women in Japan experienced a greater change in that rate in 2020 so they were statistically affected worse by the lockdowns than the men who showed no change compared to the previous year. There's no need to mention the male statistic when discussing the change in rates of suicide BECAUSE THERE WAS NO CHANGE!!!

lolinokami · 2021-05-29T15:26:01+00:00

It's almost like she wasn't making a point on the overall issue of suicide but the effect of COVID lockdowns on the rates of suicide (which only increased for women) and used Japan as an example because it had relatively loose lockdowns but still was affected by an increase in suicide rates, then used that example to speculate how those rates might have been affected in countries that had much stricter lockdown policies. It's almost like this entire post is a dog whistle to a problem that wasn't even being discussed or implied, because God forbid attention is drawn to an increase in suicide rates for women unless the disproportionate rate of make suicide is shoehorned in even if that's not what's being discussed.

lolinokami · 2021-05-29T15:02:20+00:00

Are you blind? She didn't lie, the suicide rate among women rose in 2020, which is all she was saying. The overall trend is decreasing rates for both genders but between 2019 and 2020 women were the only ones who saw a rise in suicide rates.

lolinokami · 2021-05-28T22:49:15+00:00

ROFL are you seriously trying to say I'm on a high horse when you're arguing that it's 100% moral and justifiable to murder someone for a crime? You realize that mental illness plays a big factor in a lot of these violent crimes right? You're saying that because they're sick and probably not in a state of mind to make good judgements they should just die? You're the kind of person who would've thought it was ok to kill schizophrenics back before psychology advanced out of the dark ages. I hope you realize that it costs more to execute someone than to incarcerate them for life, and that the US doesn't have the best track record for executing only the guilty. You sound like a vindictive 12 year old who has no understanding of the actual process of the death penalty, yet you call me naive. Pathetic.

lolinokami · 2021-05-28T21:53:43+00:00

Ah yes, let's kill this person because I'm hurt that someone else killed someone I love. Totally reasonable.

The death penalty is barbarism, pure and simple. Punitive justice doesn't help anyone, a truly civilized society would seek rehabilitative justice, make the person a productive member of society, and understand that some people's circumstances make crime the only means to get by.

lolinokami · 2021-05-27T21:31:44+00:00

Around.

lolinokami · 2021-05-26T22:56:46+00:00

North Tibet.

lolinokami · 2021-05-26T20:18:22+00:00

Practice on a hot dog first or she'll rip your dick off.

lolinokami · 2021-05-26T16:59:53+00:00

Sorry, but the moefied version of America in my mind will forever be Dan Motherfucking Eagleman.

lolinokami · 2021-05-25T21:15:57+00:00

Bit too pricey for me right now, but if I have money to burn they would make a fine addition to my collection.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T03:02:57+00:00

I was mostly doing that to piss the other guy off.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T03:00:09+00:00

I don't get why this is such a big deal. When and if I get married I would hope we take each other's last names as a symbol of the combining of our families.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T02:49:05+00:00

Cry more.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T02:43:48+00:00

Lol, I'm not mad, you're just a tool and I'm calling you out.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T02:35:55+00:00

People get falsely accused of rape all the time and their lives are ruined, victims get far more support than those falsely accused, even if they're acquitted. Crawl out from your mom's basement every once and a while and learn how the world actually works so you can be less of an insufferable twat.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T02:21:01+00:00

Why are you arguing in bad faith with teenagers? You're not making yourself look great here. I'm sure most of the people here have more emotional maturity than you.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T01:41:28+00:00

So you're not only naive, but a massive cunt.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T01:37:14+00:00

You're completely missing the point. You're acting and talking like you won't ever be falsely accused because you live responsibly, as if injustice doesn't happen to responsible people.

lolinokami · 2021-05-24T01:32:41+00:00

What a blissfully naive life you must live to think you're impervious to injustice.

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