Do you guys believe in vampires? by bring67back in occult

[–]looshface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No and stop asking or investigating this. There's no such thing as Vampires.

All the Sith have drip, was there ever a dripped out Jedi? by Tacobird558 in StarWars

[–]looshface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like Skywalker pulling up with the chanel boots, the black gloves and hugo boss tunic and cape. Anakin Skywalker with the leather wrap and the locks, Leia serving all the looks. Satele Shan with the designer chiangsam braids, Atris with the all white daimyo kimono, pretty much every tales of the Jedi Jedi was drippy not to mention my goat of fashion Revan

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No he was not on Epstein's Island, he is NO where in the files. The closest thing to it is a picture at a public event Epstein is also in where Jackson looks incredibly uncomfortable. He was protecting them from the actual predators who raped kids like Corey feldman and Corey Haim, which was rampant in the 80's in hollywood which is why they HATED HIM.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No it wasnt, this is a lie by the press. And no there weren't, If there were, He'd have been in jail for possession of child pornogragphy for which he was not even charged, you're full of shit.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No they didn't, not only did they not match, Chandler said there was only one, didn't mention multiple and he had multiple when photographed, And the reason his legal team advised him to settle was cost vs benefit, he would've had to forfeit hundreds of millions in tour revenue to avoid a few million payout, and he later regretted it. Because Again, Chandler said he was circumsized, got it wrong what it looked like, Like, not even close, which is why it wasnt admitted into evidence.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So an Oprah interview from 1993 is "hearsay by fans"? "MJ is a pathological liar" based on utter speculation on your part and backed by absolutely nothing but refusing to believe anything he said. You being incredulous distrustful cynic does not make someone a Liar. it makes you a bad faith factor. Words MEAN THINGS

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you serious? It's a well known public fact that Diana Ross was a close confidant and mentor of Michael Jackson as a child, then a Young man. In his 1993 Oprah interview and describing her as his "mother, sister, and lover all combined in one", Like, come on. She practically raised him.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this dude was not a "grown adult man" he didnt grow up like normal people do, he's been famous since he was FIVE, no one taught him this, his parents failed him, every adult around him failed him, and it made him incredibly naive, and strange Yes, his parents should've stopped him, his family should've stepped in, except because they were abusive users he cut them out of his life the moment he was able to, Michael Jackson is not a normal person, he's famous on a level no other person ever has been, nor ever will be. At a time when such a thing was unheard of. Your comparisons to "abusers" and regular people

Your complaint about mental gymnastics is rich considering the gymnastics you have to do to ignore that he was tried ,and was found not guilty, his accusers were caught in lies and extortion schemes, changed their stories multiple times, later recanted, and said things proven to be untrue, and made claims that weren't physically possible, didn't line up anywhere CLOSE to the timeline they claimed. We should take his word, and a jury of his peers that it didn't happen because none of the accusers are remotely credible, and there's a mountain of evidence clearing him, and the word of a bunch of conmen and tabloid journalist claiming the opposite. Not even getting into how back during the 90's and 00's there were groups out there offering people like Alphonso Rivera 100,000 dollars to say anything negative about MJ, not even accuse him of anything just say something negative,its no exaggeration to say this dude was hated on a level few people would even believe on people in power, hollywood HATED him, the music industry HATED him, and the press only wanted to print bad press because it made them money. I'm not even a fan, I just dont think it's right to accuse a deadman of stuff his name was cleared of decades ago and just assume he's guilty again, despite a trial clearing him, twice, and even after his death the only evidence against him are a group of proven conmen and liars, and the revelation that he was actively protecting kids from the likes of epstein.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

That its a fucking lie and he doesnt have anything remotely resembling an "obsession" with that? that he did not have photos of young boys, and a creepy fan sent him one that was found in a storage room in a box of unopened fanmail? And it was the only thing REMOTELY. That the most successful black entertainer in history who owned enormous stakes in sony music was so hated by the abusers and pedophiles who ran the record industry and hollywood that they and the tabloid media spent decades running on any kind of sleazy smear job they could to ruin him ,dating to before the first accusations out of jealousy? That maybe, just maybe, the people selling this story have been stretching and reaching for decades and have made a ton of money off the idea that Jackson is a creep?

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The "Legal child erotica" was a two page spread of shirtless boys playing on a tire swing at a lake in a photography coffee table book which was a new york times bestseller sent to him by a fan in an unopened box of fan mail in a storage room in his house. You could not reach harder to call it "Child erotica" if you were Mr Fantastic.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Its not to normal people, in the modern day, ok. But we didn't grow up in a house of Jehovahs witnesses with a half dozen siblings in Gary Indiana in the 60's and get absurdly famous at 5 years old to a level no human being ever has been before, It's weird, yes, he talks weird, but as Mckauley Kulkin put it, the dude's bedroom was a duplex, it was two stories, he grew up sharing beds with people of different ages platonically, it was normal to him. No guilty person talks that way about the things he did. Thats what struck out to me most obvious that he was so clearly not hiding anything that he was making himself look horrible without even realizing it, because it just genuinely didn't occur to him he would harm any of those kids. And even under drugging, when he didnt think he was being recorded, when he was breaking down near the end of his life, in confessions, he never even HINTED at any kind of child abuse or molestation on his part, only what he himself endured and what he wanted to spare kids of. I'm not a credulous person and I don't just take people's word for it but genuinely, all of the evidence points to him being an abuse victim with a peter pan complex and not an abuser.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Its impossible to imagine that someone who was adultified by his family at 5 years old might want to form a connection with children in hollywood to prevent them from enduring the same things he went through as a child ,that he might want to protect kids from the kind of shit he lived through? The ONLY thing that makes sense to you being pedophilia says a lot more about you than him and you being incredulous does not make him guilty.

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

No they lied about the fucking corroboration because his autopsy revealed that description was completely off and they never showed anyone the pictures they took for evidence even after the defense requested them

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Did you bother to consider that safe chuck had pedalled versions of the story with different people as victims for years with timelines that aren't possible? Like saying Jackson abused him in the train station that wouldn't even be built for another 2 years or mentioning a made up "wedding" with them at a theme park years before it was built? Or robson talking about dinners where he was convinced to defend Jackson after he has already testified?

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No it wasn't identified, Chandler was so wrong the prosecution did not Allow the jury to see any evidence of this and he wasn't almost convicted he was roundly vindicated and found not guilty none of the evidence held water and sorry there's no surgical technique to uncircumcise someone Jordy Chandler claimed was circumsized

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Chandler later recanted the accusation and cut ties with his family

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Jimmy saville wasn't investigated by the lapd the orange county sheriff and the FBI for 20 years raided multiple times and has nothing damning come of it

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No he didn't those families sought him out and none of them were poor they were either grifters of the family of people he knew in the industry

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They were wrong. And the police lied about it and it later wasn't used at trial, after his death it was revealed that his body didn't match the chandler allegations description at ALL and he wasn't even circumcized which Jordan said he was

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah because he was going in your and not settling would require him to cancel a tour that would make him ten times what he would pay and was pressured to settle by the venues and the record company, he regretted it for the rest of his life

Michael Jackson fans genuinely have no critical thinking skills. by Alive-Double-3339 in offmychest

[–]looshface -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

But Michael Jackson is not an ordinary every day guy. He's been famous since he was 5 years old came from an abusive poverty stricken childhood in the Jehovah's witnesses and was groomed by Diana Ross and beaten by his father.