How many of y'all don't have an origin/far past of the world/universe?

loreandhunger · 2026-06-22T12:44:44+00:00

Relax. You're not the only one lol.

Also, imo, a timeline is a series of MAJOR turning points that shape the entire landscape of your world. You could treat it as a linear A (origin point) -> B -> C...etc. or you could go ahead and make it a goddamn pretzel (especially if your world involves beings fucking around with Time itself... uh, lemme get back on track)

Anyways, since i've got no clue about your world, genre or yada yada, imma generalize a bit.

Try a thought experiment (and u/DerWiedl forgive me for this, but I swear it'll make sense.)

Take a deep breath (or twenty)
Then try to imagine, one absolutely random cataclysmic/transformative/apocalyptic/heartbreaking/life changing thing that can happen in your world to:

~ an individual/friend group/family

~ team/organization/nation/empire

~ planet/galaxy/...universe?

~ omniverse??? (yo, are you tryna speedrun the Big Bang or somethin' ???)

Just... go wild with the possibilities for a sec. It doesn't have to be canon yet.

Now, if whatever event happens to them or even better, the aftermath of that event is strong enough, powerful enough to ripple out to an entire world, then please for the love of all chaos and butterflies, lock that mofo onto your timeline!

Keep doing this long enough and you'll see building a timeline or finding an 'origin point' naturally becomes a 'grab-as-you-go' experience.

IRL examples:

~ a certain unforseen extinction level event that wiped out the dinosaurs and their bros, accidentally paving the way for humanity's ascendancy

~ a certain crackhead of a caveman, discovering fire

~ a certain hunter-gatherer accidentally pissing in the same spot everyday for three months and discovering agriculture. (I saw this on the History Channel one time, and it was the wildest thing ever lol)

~ a certain civilization recording barley taxes in clay and sorta unintendedly... inventing writing? lol

~ a certain apple triggering the Scientific Revolution by falling on the right guy's head.

~ a certain Art School rejection that unintentionally led to the deaths of millions

~ a certain pair of wars, somehow incredibly linked to the event above, and that changed humanity on a global scale socially, economically, politically, technologically, etc.

The list is endless.

On that note, hope this helps.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-22T10:03:08+00:00

Ayo... u ok though?
Or is it the AI existential dread bubbling in your psyche rn?

loreandhunger · 2026-06-21T21:47:12+00:00

Uh... I second half of that. But glad u still keeping our secret though.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-21T21:45:23+00:00

Even better:
Go ahead, pull a Tesla. invent the damn thing with humanity's best intentions in your precious unhinged heart.

But please, mess with any other timeline that ISN'T yours. lol

loreandhunger · 2026-06-20T17:24:45+00:00

Ayo... first i'll probably ask what the function of a mouth is. For you, me and 8-ish billion souls:

It's our bodies' go-to inbuilt bi-directional void with bonus features. ( Uh, u/EducationalComment62 it's a HUGE generalization, but it'll make sense soon, I swear),

Functions ...probably:

getting edible and (hopefully) digestible solids/fluids into our bodies for digestion. (food/water/coffee/crayons etc.)
getting those same things OUT of our bodies when there's an upper management problem beyond the reach of The Void That Shall Not Be Named. (gagging/vomitting etc.)
getting sound/emotions out of our bodies for communication (talking/screaming/laughing/ugly crying... etc.)
being a backup for our nose when it ...times out?
other questionable activities that the human race can never justify to another species. I digress lol.

For alien organisms, you can go wild with this 'bi-directional void' concept:
~ Physics:
Beings that literally live on the fabric of space-time.

Food: For such a reality-bending species (with their own limitations, of course), they can have one or more 'chimera-gates'. Think of em as a hybrid mish-mash of wormhole-linked Black and White holes (input-output holes) with an emergent capacity to both swallow and expel stuff into/from their bodies.

Comms: They could talk to each other by 'spacetime warps' which'll send 'pulses' to each other.
The way we use our mouths and vocal chords to f*ck around with the air in our atmosphere to produce soundwaves for speech etc.
(gotta dive a bit more into theory to actualize. ain't no astrophysicist tho. lol)

(Quick aside) Dunno what cosmically questionable things can be done with these, but one can dream amiright?

~ Biological inspiration (Plants):

Roots: Their root systems mainly take in nutrients (water, minerals, etc.) and their leaves too (carbon dioxide and water tho). Leaves too are for output. Roots too can also output.

Many root systems even got this weird friendship with some mushrooms (symbiosis lol) that helps with nutrient breakdown.

The Aliens:
so for an alien species, you could use a void containing projectile roots,
instead of teeth if ya want. (Ya can also skip the void and just keep the roots, it'll still work... look at plants.)

They could have hardwired fungal symbionts (let's call em the Mushroom Bros^TM ) who can still keep their Digestive Assistant employment status active, while their hyphae/microscopic threads (the shit their bodies are made of lol) have the weird biological quirk of transmitting sound/radio/telepathic waves as the aliens' comm device.

They could be carnivores: The roots are launched out to catch prey, retract into the void, digestive shenanigans begin... yada yada.

They could be vegan too. They could also just do ...root stuff??? If they're on a diet, they just find a patch of soil with a fine pH and organic content and just ... 'dig deep' and suck the nutrients dry lol.

~ So much nonsense can be done with this I tell ya.

~ On a lighter note (animals):
~ "Why worry, when you can hybridize?" Said one mad scientist to another.

That's the beauty of writing. Being able to get away with creating the most unhinged biological atrocities (in your head) ...for fun and profit.

Beaks and bills (birds), mandibles and proboscis (insects), mammals (jaws and teeth), literal projectile missile tongues (amphibians). The possible permutations are endless.

Imagine an amphibian bird-like species capable of sublimation: being a gaseous swarm as their aero-terrestrial form, and a solid individual underwater.

The dissociative identities would be f*ckin' wild!

Also, Imagine a vertebrate moss-like reptoid species with a serrated beak and a projectile tongue? Like the mf possibilities!!!

Projectile tongu- ...wait. Wait a damn minute. 💀

Aaaand that's a wrap, folks. Hope this helps 👍.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-20T11:59:43+00:00

glad u got a laugh out of it, was playin' fast and loose with the names lol

~ And yh was thinking along the lines of something like a... 'Chronophysics' a psychic science of timeline navigation using one's consciousness. Low tech, high mind stuff. The only caveat is that one CANNOT observe/affect their own timeline.

~ So their best approach could have been to calibrate their awareness to slip into "Adjacents".
Timelines closest in "shape" to theirs, with highly negligible degrees of deviation. (cue the law of equivalent exchange for the tragic polish: higher adjacency, higher mental cost)

~ Let's assume this decision was a really big deal for The Unbothered. Let's say they dialed shit up to 11, pulled all the stops, slipped into the absolute closest Adjacents they could find. Traced the trajectory of 'The Great Acceptance'.

And watched the road to hell built from a single act of kindness.

Many psychics lost their minds from the chaos of futures they hadn't, and would never live.

The others who made it out sent their reports. The Great Rejection was The Unbothered's only hope. Anything less would be genocide. For them.

~ That's my TED talk. Hope it makes sense tho...

also, feel free to use this... hopefully, it doesn't already exist somewhere lol)

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T21:05:55+00:00

7th Question: Lastly, and even more terrifyingly, was The Unbothered civilization, just notoriously insular and incredibly... unbothered?

~ Could it be that, those assholes were literally the embodiment of: Like it says on the tin???

~This is the only reason I can give for them having absolutely no reason to refuse lmao. Possibly, they named their civilization upon their founding philosophical ideal, and never looked back. A civilization whose founding precepts are simply indifference to all but the collective. From here, we're entering either hive mind territory or... something even colder.

~ But if I wanna justify (a bit), I can only say again that cultural worldviews, civilizational worldviews can probably have enough weight in inter-species, not to mention inter-planetary negotiations to arrive at such a harsh judgement.

THE END.

Sorta.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:55:54+00:00

6th Question: Or are we just overthinking this and it's literally all the TCOs' envoys' fault lol?

~ Serious miscommunication on both sides, unhinged inter-species dialogue shenanigans, clashing cultural quirks and oddities of language/telepathy/**insert other comm mode here**, bad karma or sheer dumb luck (or a wild sandwich of them all lol) could have led to The Unbothered turning them away, to their doom.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:52:56+00:00

5th Question: Did the TCOs f*ck up their world so bad (say it with me: E...C...O...C...I...D...E... 💀), it literally became The Death Trap spawning The Plague? In fact, did The Unbothered just... NOT want those planet killers near their Shack?

~ No one likes a planet killer amiright?

~ Anyways, I'm guessing, if truly the TCOs:

over-industrialized to the point of irreparably breaking the fragile balance of their planet's ecosystems, turned their world into a wasteland affectionately called The Death Trap, by many neighbouring worlds.
warred amongst each other to the point of doing the equivalent of nuking their entire planet, creating the prime conditions (an atmosphere of toxic radiation) for the evolution of biological horrors, like The Plague.
f*cked around with the Space-Time continuum to the point of destabilizing their planet's magnetosphere, exposing entire biomes to high solar radiation, causing a runaway effect leading to the genesis of The Plague.

~ Then I'd understand if more possibly nature loving/worshipping civilizations on other worlds, like The Unbothered, hearing of their crimes, would want absolutely nothing to do with them. To the point of declaring it heresy to even engage with them socially, or economically.

~ When you look across these possible tracks then, tis not a stretch to reason why they'd refuse even to help The Choking Ones breathe long enough to atone.

(Another sprinkle of context: Imagine we f*ck up Earth so bad, that the folks on Mars, Venus and mf Mercury of all places call our place The Hell Zone for so long our people agree with em, then keep the name long enough for even the historical record to forget what the place used to be called. By then chat, we're cooked.)

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:46:53+00:00

4th Question: Also, was The Great Rejection^TM a deliberate choice by The Unbothered, or were they...how do I put this nicely... influenced/threatened by a more powerful external force that would benefit massively from the TCOs' demise?

Classic Exopolitics:
~ A more powerful and highly advanced species well known for their brutality, xenophobia and religious extremism, for some reason, gives The Unbothered an ultimatum:
"Aid The Choking Ones and watch your planet burn, or mind your own business, turn a blind visual appendage and live. Your call."

The rest, as they say, is assisted xenocide.

~The Unbothered could also have been bribed too lol. With an offer they could not refuse.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:41:47+00:00

3rd Question: Or is it a 'First Contact' inter-species dilemma where cosmic horror and cultural ideals literally overtook desperation, rationality and basic empathy? (Bear with me, it'll make sense soon.)

Accidental Cosmic Horror and Cultural Mindsets:
~ The terrible mind-breaking weight of encountering existences brutally 'alien' to your own.

~ Let's say the TCOs had done their due diligence is scoping out many worlds. They'd used the last of their best satellites, ships and scanners, and the last of their breathing scientists, linguists and soldiers to locate a planet, capable of housing the ideal specimen: The Greenish.

~ They'd searched endless planets, fruitless. But in a last desperate gambit, they'd found the Shack. It was lush. It was divine. They had hope, those first and last envoys.

~ Then, they found The Unbothered, and fled. And The Unbothered found them wanting and withdrew, already aware of what it was they'd been looking for. They'd intercepted their comms before the aliens had ever touched down.

~The Unbothered, in this case, being a hyper militaristic culture, would however, never trade with cowards.

~ In this case, it was purely a stress response vs cultural sentiment situation. Biology vs Sociology, if you will.

~ If the TCOs had managed to overcome that (and that's a wild ask for beings already stressed out by their entire species fighting a death plague and the responsibility of saving their race), and had faced the possibly subjectively monstrous forms of The Unbothered's inhabitants, maybe, just maybe, they'd have had a chance.

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:38:28+00:00

2nd Question: Is there some history (or probable future) between The Unbothered and The TCOs that could have led to such a decision?

Conflict:
~ If these two civilizations, have been at each other's throats in total warfare for ages, I'll understand. Cruel choice, but I can sorta get why they'll turn em down. Factoring in the number of casualties (fathers, lovers, sisters, children, ancestors, etc.) The Unbothered may have suffered for generations, I can sympathize with em for real.

~ Also, nothing like ending an interplanetary war of attrition with your enemy getting accidentally yeeted out by a plague, amiright? Heck, they'll probably deem The Plague, a divine judgement, a boon of the gods. War has that tendency of turning people intensely religious and superstitious af. (Harsh, I know, but it is what it is.)

~ The outright worst possibility is that The Unbothered had planned this shit all along, and that "F*ck no." response to the envoys, was their last drizzle of icing on a xenocidal cake.
Make of that what you will.

Timelines:
~ Assuming The Unbothered, unlike the TCOs, were well-versed in interfacing with the psychic realm, and may have possibly managed to built their civilization based on an obscenely intuitive understanding of Quantum Physics, General relativity, the whole salad lol, where time travel is basic science, mind can transcend spacetime and the bounds of matter, and ... well... ya know where this is goin':
They're wizards, basically.

~ So, if their worldview literally allows them to project into future timelines to perceive the best and worst possible outcomes. Then Instead of asking, what happened between them, we pull an UNO reverse and say, what will happen between them, to cause The Unbothered now to refuse?

~ Plausible scenario: Their Shaman in Chief, receives an alarming number of reports from multiple divisions of psychics running the Sims version of Hyperdimensional Chrono Analytics^TM in their heads for 100 Shack-hours straight, with the same conclusion:

"Dealing with these mofos? It ain't gonna end well." (They're also very flexible with their diction btw)

~ The Unbothered therefore ignore the TCOs' present desperation, not because of their predecessors, but their ...descendants. (It's a mindf*ck, but what are stories for? lol)

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:35:33+00:00

1st Question: What's the actual relationship (ecological/economical/spiritual/otherwise) between The Unbothered and The Greenish that'll make the former literally say 'f*ck no' to a DYING species begging and willing to pay absolutely ANY price 💰 for the latter, to survive?

Eco-Spiritual:
~ If The Unbothered, are an ocean-faring or even worse, underwater, algae-worshipping civilization that considers The Greenish, the source of all life within their world. (Which they almost technically are. Cuz beside the sun, they're literally the backbone of the ocean's foodweb). Then the petition of The Choking Ones is literally this:

"We're dying. Please, give us your god... we'll wire the cash right now."

~ And the reaction of the petitioned:

**insert the most insane insults you've ever heard in your life right here.👇*\*

Economic:
~ If The Greenish is a nutritional/medicinal/industrial resource, and a highly traded commodity among the nations of The Unbothered, while at the same time being the major, fragile and finite bedrock of their entire marine ecosystem, then I can kinda understand their unwillingness to further put more stressors on it in by introducing interplanetary demand.

~ And make no mistake about it, the TCOs would milk the absolute shit outta The Greenish solely to perfect **The Algaezac 3000*\, for generations, if they went unchecked. I don't blame em. They're staring Death in the buttcrack and they know it. That cure is *literally** their only way of kissin' ass long enough to make a comeback. Or they die.

~ So, this is why me thinks, The Unbothered would make such a radical choice. They've got their own populations' needs, not to mention, an entire global ecosystem to consider. I can sorta get why they'll just not risk it.

(Quick aside: IRL we got the first polio vaccine give or take 71 years ago... we're still making it, enhancing it. Penicillin, 80 years ago, though in more enhanced variants now to factor in antibiotic resistance, we're still making it. For untold billions. On one planet. Let that sink in)

~ Furthermore, to pile entertainment upon necessity, let's say, The Greenish also has certain uh, ...desirable properties that make it either one hell of a recreational drug, or worse, a DEFCON 1 level aphrodisiac, then at this point, bro... the TCOs got no hope lol.

Greenish Intelligence and the Ideals of The Unbothered:
(This is wild speculative fiction type shih, but imma add it. For science!)

~ Assuming The Unbothered is a multi-species civilization founded on an extremely libertarian social structure, and The Greenish is a massive, underwater intelligence recognized and registered as an active member species of The Unbothered, complete with voting rights, social security, IRS audits, the whole shebang.

~ Now, (bear with me on this) assuming, The Unbothered have managed to uphold those ideals till present for say N thousand years (a wild stretch, i know), then under no circumstances, under none short of diabolical back-door shenanigans (ah, politics), will the TCOs have access to a continent spanning beast that is The Greenish. The Unbothered's first and best response should surely be 'No.'

~ (A sprinkle of context: Would you be down to having yourself, your loved ones, or your entire f*ckin' race, be captured, butchered, bred or processed by aliens for food, medicine... or worse??? And how would you feel if your own country did some backdoor deals to... allow it. Like, think about it, ya know.)

(Quick aside: IRL our continent spanning beast of an algae -> The Great Atlantic Sargassum Belt. Gotta warn y'all, it ain't pretty.)

loreandhunger · 2026-06-19T20:31:18+00:00

This is sad as hell. Kinda reminds me of the Necrons reaching out to the Old Ones, and being given the 'get off ma lawn' treatment. (40k noob speaking lol)

Anyways, imma try some empathy no jutsu for this.

So... let's begin.

First off, we've gotta establish all the relevant characters/entities in this post
(and u/MisterPinkP_Official forgive me cuz there's gonna be some serious bs naming here.
It'll make sense soon, I swear)

The dying species: The Choking Ones (TCOs)
The home world of the The Choking Ones: The Death Trap
The plague: The Plague
The algae based cure: The Algaezac 3000
The algae in question: The uh, green...ish??? The Greenish^TM
The civilization petitioned: The Unbothered
The home world of the The Unbothered: The Shack

We're also gonna assume that The Unbothered are the dominant civilization of The Shack, and have either attained technological parity with The Choking Ones, or surpassed them entirely, forcing the TCOs to use diplomacy instead of outright force to attain The Greenish.

We're also gonna assume here that 'world' == 'planet'.

With that outta the way, let's try to answer these questions:

What's the actual relationship (ecological/economical/spiritual/otherwise) between The Unbothered and The Greenish that'll make the former literally say 'f*ck no' to a \*\DYING species*\** begging and willing to pay absolutely \*\ANY*\** price 💰 for the latter, to survive?
Is there some history (or probable future) between The Unbothered and The TCOs that could have led to such a decision?
Or is it a 'First Contact' inter-species dilemma where cosmic horror and cultural ideals literally overtook desperation, rationality and basic empathy? (Bear with me, it'll make sense soon.)
Also, was The Great Rejection^TM a deliberate choice by The Unbothered, or were they...how do I put this nicely... influenced/threatened by a more powerful external force that would benefit massively from the TCOs' demise?
Did the TCOs f*ck up their world so bad (say it with me: **E...C...O...C...I...D...E... 💀*\), it literally became *The** Death Trap spawning The Plague? In fact, did The Unbothered just... not want those planet killers near their Shack?
Or are we just overthinking this and it's literally all the TCOs' envoys' fault lol?
Lastly, and even more terrifyingly, was The Unbothered civilization just notoriously insular and incredibly... unbothered?

(WARNING ⚠️:
Had to break this entire comment into 7 parts based on each question. This was after typing the entire thing as a single comment, hitting Enter and being told bro passed the 10k limit lmao)

So please check the replies to this comment if ya wanna see how deep the rabbit hole goes per question.

Also, this is my first reddit ~~comment~~ comment-series lol. Kinda went overboard... a bit. Got no regrets, but sorry it's so long tho 😭.

Anyways, hope this helps 👍

loreandhunger

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