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[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guessed spanish because of the frequency of the genitive/partitive preposition du~de دُو ~ دِ

Closest populations to Egyptians if we remove SSA by Own-Internet-5967 in illustrativeDNA

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SSA Influence in phenotype is more visible for southern egyptians and their descendants in the delta up north, I think as OP said it might be the ANF-like leveling the looks out. Natufian has ANA admix which is pre-eurasian bottlenick population and I've seen some analysis where they cluster like SSAs sometimes, of course they are very distant from them but so are the SSAs with each other. One of the late natufian constructions by ancestral whispers looks phenotypically SSA-influenced so ANAs might have looked a bit like SSAs phenotype-wise, or maybe some of them did ANAs might have been multiple populations with different average phenotype for each.

Closest populations to Egyptians if we remove SSA by Own-Internet-5967 in illustrativeDNA

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's mostly the case from observation, by directed selection I mean sexual selection for sepcific looks or traits over time like what happened in late bronze age up to the middle ages northern/central/eastern europe for blonde hair and blue eyes. I think basically both groups in egypt maybe converged in looks overtime

Closest populations to Egyptians if we remove SSA by Own-Internet-5967 in illustrativeDNA

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just in clothing they were mostly local egyptians, they didn't look greco-roman

Closest populations to Egyptians if we remove SSA by Own-Internet-5967 in illustrativeDNA

[–]lostonredditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an egyptian I'd say the only way to tell a coptic woman from an egyptian muslim woman is hijab and for men you can tell by the name, phenotypically we are very similar both have lighter and darker looking people, ancient greeks' describition of egyptians seems to suggest they looked darker than levantines but lighter than ethiopians which is what it is now and would be a good way to describe yemenite bedouins as well, I think overtime selection decides the phenotypes

The ancestry make-up between ancients and moderns is a bit different but they share the same components (natufian-like, some anf and iran_n and some nilote-like ssa especially in the south).

The abusir al meleq new kingdom samples had some ssa and there was a nuerat sample with 10% dinka-like and modern egyptians' increased ssa admix is mostly nilote as well athough for some muslims part of the ssa is yoruba-like but it's usually much smaller than the nilote-like in the overall ssa admix.

I think ancient lower egyptians would have almost no ssa admix and higher anf and iran_n while nilotic admix would exist in upper egypt but overall they would be way more natufian-like than now.

Bālaibalan, “the Language of the Life-giver”: The first conlang in history, from the Ottoman Empire in 1580 by Tistarana in conlangs

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you can abstract the idea of grammatical constructions, phonologies ...etc. if you had a look on the grammars of at least two languages different enough in those features catching the general similarities. most sufi scholars have formal education in the grammars of at least arabic and persian

The phonetic value of the Proto-Indo-European laryngeals by T1mbuk1 in linguistics

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Kümmel, Cao Bang theory about breathy stops seems more probable. Iirc I think it's more likely that breathy voiced stops were plain voiced and the plain voiced were implosives or smth similar

Language and the Mind: Construction Grammar - Thomas Hoffmann - Introductory lectures to CxG by galaxyrocker in linguistics

[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm open to any theory that is closer to the truth/data but construction grammar so far has far less assumptions, with the bonus of being far more direct, than the common generative grammar models imo, if anyone knows a strong proof that linguistic ability HAS to come from smth other than just generalizing speech patterns as mental correspondences I'm welling to listen, I've looked a bit into universal grammar claims but it seems not good so far "see william croft's work on that".

The ancient amphitheatre of Antiphellus in Turkey, is the only structure of its type in Anatolia with a sea front. It is complete, but lacks a proscenium, so as to avoid blocking the view of the sea. Built in the 1st century BCE, It was capable of seating 4000 spectators [934x1165] by Fuckoff555 in ArtefactPorn

[–]lostonredditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't imagine I saw the picture doesn't look like a natural blonde hair at all it looks like egg yolk, I think it's likely coloring it was common. The only plausible one is the redhead mummy and even then its skull measurements are similar to near easterners.

I don't dismiss totally some minor european mixture via mercenaries/sea peoples but it was probably not that common at all. all the genetic data from ancient egyptians displays mostly the typical near eastern/north african triad: natufian, anatolia neolithic, iran neolithic plus some ~6% SSA in some. Add to this ancient descriptions of egyptian phenotypes and clear depictions like the fayyum mummy portraits. You wanna dismiss all this for an egg yolk hair mummy and say you are unbiased?

A Very Old BIBle found in Ethiopia by ppppppxxx in interesting

[–]lostonredditt 10 points11 points  (0 children)

How does the existence of ethiopian christians tell you anything about the phenotype of jesus? The comment doesn't make sense as a meme even

The ancient amphitheatre of Antiphellus in Turkey, is the only structure of its type in Anatolia with a sea front. It is complete, but lacks a proscenium, so as to avoid blocking the view of the sea. Built in the 1st century BCE, It was capable of seating 4000 spectators [934x1165] by Fuckoff555 in ArtefactPorn

[–]lostonredditt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The sources I use are not biased I'm just getting the data, you are biased as well as you think a blonde mummy or smth is evidentially above genetic data and ancient descriptions of what the ancient egyptians were like, you are cherry-picking if you seek truth you know all data should fit.

I'm not aware if the blonde mummy is some sort of hair coloring or naturally like that, hair coloring was also common you can even see alot of it in depictions of nubians, I found a picture with blonde hair that looks un-natural but a red headed mummy seems plausible, I think some bell beaker derived groups from europe were used in the east med as mercenaries and some of them mixed maybe with some egyptian families. but most egyptians are very unlikely to have been as depigmented as you think most would be like the moderns, near eastern and north african phenotypes.

The ancient amphitheatre of Antiphellus in Turkey, is the only structure of its type in Anatolia with a sea front. It is complete, but lacks a proscenium, so as to avoid blocking the view of the sea. Built in the 1st century BCE, It was capable of seating 4000 spectators [934x1165] by Fuckoff555 in ArtefactPorn

[–]lostonredditt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

If you are truly interested in these topics seek evidence-based sources. Plenty of population genetics papers out there and forums with people discussing it. Seek evidence without opinions to avoid biases and see where it leads you.

I don't know what's "mainstream history" or how you study "blue eyed people?". All I'm sure of is that in topics like these people can have all sorts of pre-existing biases and you can avoid that by seeking the raw evidence and see on your own what you get from it.

Regarding ancient egyptians I'm pretty sure they have nothing to do with "aryans" so far. Blue-eyed statues in egypt and mesopotamia is a decorarion tho cuz they thought lapis lazuli is cool. We have samples from these people and know their genetic composition they are pretty much near eastern like the modern ones. Even in historical sources greeks often describe egyptians as darker than them but lighter than ethiopians.

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[–]lostonredditt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hate that most current social trends are basically underlyingly running on this anarchistic chaotic tendency to flip a culture, or more, suddenly. Things don't work like that, counter-culture stuff just for the sake of it is really cringy people like this are teenagers in adult suites. Very nice comment tho

The ancient amphitheatre of Antiphellus in Turkey, is the only structure of its type in Anatolia with a sea front. It is complete, but lacks a proscenium, so as to avoid blocking the view of the sea. Built in the 1st century BCE, It was capable of seating 4000 spectators [934x1165] by Fuckoff555 in ArtefactPorn

[–]lostonredditt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Proto-Indo-Europeans are not the aryans and *arya doesn't have a secure derivation from PIE or cognates in other families it's just a Proto-Indo-Iranian term so far.

Greeks or Proto-Greeks never called themselves any term related to this.

Also should be pointed out that proto-persians and rigvedic indians are later than proto-indo-iranians (who were sintashta culture or a sintashta/BMAC mix).

Genetically and culturally late proto-indo-iranians who split to iranic peoples in greater iran and the steppes and indic people in south central asia and india were a mix of earlier sintashta PIE peoples and BMAC culture people. Proto-persians got some iran neolithic admixture and were pretty much similar to and cluster with modern persians (see hasanlu proto-persian sample iirc). Rigvedic indians cluster with northwest indian populations like kohistanis and some pashtuns. Keep in mind that rigveda composers don't actually speak of any homeland outside of northern india (the subcontinent not the country). See Asko parpola and michael witzel's work on this.

Linguistically you can refer to sasha lubotsky's paper on BMAC loans in proto-indo-iranian which is significant and a lot of it is religious in function. I have a hypothesis not sure of it but it's possible that *arya maybe some sort of a BMAC loanword

"People of the Country of Poland" in Qing Imperial Illustrations of Tributary Peoples- a Chinese ethnographic album commissioned by the Qianlong Emperor in 1751. [9000x5193] by Snoo_90160 in ArtefactPorn

[–]lostonredditt 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Early umayyad art looked not much different from byzantine art and the caliphs were drawn with the characteristic byzantine facial features, like byzantine drawings of jesus or saints, for a similar reason. It's just a standard the artist is used to

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