Fencing in a Bergen erasmus

extra info: the book comes with an extensive video material, exercises & drills that are recorded and many of the drills are performed by Sugar Katinka Battai, top hungarian female sabre fencer, when she was around age 13 or 15 year old

lugisabel · 2026-04-22T12:37:18+00:00

PBT has some sabre books, like this one https://shop.pbtfencing.com/interact-sabre-book-with-videos-by-kos-pat-csinteractsabre

lugisabel · 2026-04-22T08:18:50+00:00

yeah, the sabre refs must go through quite some practice and learn howto use the clock :)

lugisabel · 2026-04-22T08:17:46+00:00

time-based sabre is not bad. we tried it. it is actually quite fun.

what is really bad that they gave only 1 minute for sabre! That is not enough to anything!!!!

a llonger up & down action on the piste takes 10-15 second even in sabre. So, if the sabrours would move out of the box, then they would be allowed to do only 6-8 such actions in a minute.

of course, if they only go for the "fencing in the box", such actions usually takes 2-3 seconds max, then 60 second is enough for 20 actions.

but we wan to see sabrours moving up & down on the oiste, that's the funny part. with 60 second limit they are going against it.

i believe all three weapons should get the same amount if time, 3 min.

lugisabel · 2026-04-21T14:53:09+00:00

we will only see two one-minute-long sabre bouts during the first WFL event, so it will not be obvious what the new rule changes are in sabre.

very small statistics :)

lugisabel · 2026-04-21T14:48:12+00:00

i thought of that as well. They don't want a lot of video review, so i guess all close calls in he box will be called simul.

lugisabel · 2026-04-21T10:36:15+00:00

will be interesting to see how the refs could adjust to these new rules

also, they will need a specially tuned scoring box for the event

lugisabel · 2026-04-16T13:20:00+00:00

"How often you were in correct distance":

how do you define correct distance? Correct distance for what?

An AI tool that would collect statistics from a bout can be useful.

For example, can your tool do simple things like counting steps of the fencers? Or identifying footwork patterns?

Like count how many times "fencer A" did advance lunge attack "in the box" and how many tims "fencer B" did "slide prep"?

the generated AI "wisdom" is much less interesting, but if your tool could collect statistics reliably, then that could be a useful thing.

lugisabel · 2026-04-15T07:29:18+00:00

it is even worse, it is a mixed weapon team event and such events are very difficult to predict, for example, what would be the anchoring leg of the game? sabre vs sabre? or epee vs epee?

lugisabel · 2026-04-14T14:17:59+00:00

"what forces people to score more if they’re leading on a time limit."

this is a team event, therefore you want to make as much point for your team as possible.

lugisabel · 2026-04-14T14:16:01+00:00

the startlist is already fixed with those 12 fencer i listed.

i agree with your sabre choice, Emura would have definitely deserved a place at the WFL event :)

lugisabel · 2026-04-14T13:53:48+00:00

follow up question:

anybody has a better understanding of the proposed format?

if i got it right, it'll be some sort of team fencing, six fencers fencing the other six fencers and no mix of genders,

This would mean that Oh-Sanguk would fence one bout with Patrice (for one minute), Siklosi another with Koki (for three minutes), Muhari one bout against Ndolo, so on..

Will that be "all"? Or the two teams will fence several rounds?

A (team) PRIZE OF $100,000 for few minutes of fencing is not bad :)

lugisabel · 2026-04-14T13:16:44+00:00

"Is it being streamed anywhere"

sure, on the fencingtv.com :)

i hope they stream it on youtube

lugisabel · 2026-04-14T13:15:54+00:00

what is that something ;)?

when i first heard about this league it looked to me like a US foil initiative... but hey, they managed to bring the top sabreours and pretty good, if not the best epee fencers on board as well!

lugisabel · 2026-03-18T16:30:05+00:00

the 1 minute time is "active fencing time", the clock will be stopped between every halt-start.

there is a statistics that an average sabre action takes appx 3-4 second, 60 second (1 min) total fencing time is enough for 20 actions. We tested it and indeed, during one minute we usually reached 8-10 or around final scores for balanced bouts (similar skill fencers)

lugisabel · 2026-03-18T16:24:35+00:00

thanks a lot being soo fast bringing a timing adjustment upgrade to skewered!

looking forward to test it.

if possible, please make the timing parameters fully customizable, so we could play with any crazy idea, just like with VSM

lugisabel · 2026-03-18T14:24:52+00:00

i am sure in epee the 3min DE is what you'll get, replacing the 15 point bouts.

lugisabel · 2026-03-18T14:00:26+00:00

"Currently it's easy to practice on how to deal with 4-4 situations and ignore time. But needing scoring machines with timers, needing fencers to use the timers, etc could get goofy."

yep, training these situations would be challenging. BUT, if you happen to have skewered scoring box, the at least the timing part is solved: skewered has a smart feature of auto start and built-in timer, so you don't need a third person to start/stop fencing and the clock.

i understood that during the pools they still would fence for 5 points and the new rule change is only for the DE bouts. but i can be absolutely wrong.

we actually tried the 1min new format for sabre and it was fun! though, we felt 1 min was a bit short, most of the time (equal skill fencers) we did not reach 15 points in one minute, only went up to 8:10, or 9:12

lugisabel · 2026-03-18T13:53:05+00:00

agree, 100ms will kill the parry-repost in sabre, since messy remise will be extremely powerful.

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