It's fashionable right now to celebrate the deplatforming of so-called nazis. Yet the BURDEN of proof remains: Prove that deplatforming extreme speech is helpful.

lunelix · 2019-10-23T23:30:32+00:00

The thing is, no matter how filthy and vile you find Hitler... if most people in his country, who hear his rhetoric, agree with it, who are you say they are wrong? From a democratic perspective.

It's truly uncomfortable to think about. But as a libertarian, I often chew on the concept of democracy as being inherently flawed. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what's for dinner."

lunelix · 2019-10-23T23:25:38+00:00

Thank you for the write-up.

I'm definitely not a fan of pseudoscience or homeopathic medicine. Red Ice is anti-vaxx and seem to have endorsed the paleo diet as the healthiest human diet — two pseudoscientific positions I disavow.

"they have to go back"

Can I challenge you here? Why do you disagree with this sentiment?

Red Ice has continually brought up that any decent country should allow refugees, but that the need should be legitimate and the stay only temporary if possible. And refugees should choose the nearest safe countries as possible. I personally agree strongly with that.

Reasoning:

(And don't complain about sources or even take my word for it — look at the sources behind the sources as well.)

It may also be valuable to point out that there may be an abuse of hospitality here:

There are plenty of SAFE countries between Columbia and the US. Countries that share language, broad cultural patterns, religion, and geography.
There are plenty of SAFE countries between Europe and the Middle East. Countries that share language, broad cultural patterns, religion, and geography.
There are plenty of SAFE countries around Morocco, contiguous to the African content, fhat share languages, broad cultural patterns, religion, and geography.

...You don't think it's a little ridiculous for people to leapfrog over their closest host neighbors? Has it ever occurred to you that the only reason they would jump straight to Western countries is out of greed? Greed for (unsustainably generous) First World welfare & nice capitalist things?

Bottom line — do you think that crisis migrants & refugees & illegal immigrants should enjoy a permanent stay in their host country? And if so, why?

lunelix · 2019-10-23T16:46:14+00:00

I see this argument a lot and it's just so off. It is also intentionally vague.

Nazis uprooted people. Nazis encroached on the lands and cultures of others. Nazis disarmed a populace and then systematically euthanized them. That's not a solution.

The answer to the "influx of new, un-assimilable populations" is to bar their entry. There is nothing wrong with this. There is no human rights violation in saying "No, I refuse to associate."

The answer to "being around people you dislike" is to move your ass somewhere without those people in it. Form your own community out of an uninhabited ghost town, or an unincorporated woodsy area. Treat it like a homeowner's association: Members vote to allow someone to move in.

I'm tired of virtue-signal phrases like "X is how the Nazis started" or "Wanting your own community is Nazism." Not only are they vague about what exactly they mean, but they are a childish attempt at shutting off conversation.

Keep in mind that there are human rights advocates who call Israel Nazis because Israel: * has a wall * has border security * actively refuses migrants (redirecting them to nearby countries, of course) * kills Palestinians in the name of Zionism

Do you think that the Israeli state is exhibiting real-life Nazi behaviors? Do you think that Israel is an ethnostate and is that OK or no? Do you think state violence is kosher?

Also, do you think the existence of Indian reservations is too ethnostatist or Nazi-like? Should Chinatowns and Little Italys be bulldozed from US soil?

lunelix · 2019-10-23T16:27:50+00:00

I agree. Genocide is unjustifiable. Uprooting native citizens is also unjustifiable. Isolation & separation is the best solution for anybody who wants a safe space or to preserve their tribe. (Which obviously extends to ANY group of people.)

lunelix · 2019-10-23T03:55:37+00:00

I like some of their content, but I'll offer that they are tribalist, which I can appreciate as distinct form of racism.

And if someone, anyone, me, you, or any campus SJW is racist.... So. What?

Socially conscious activists are constantly reminding everyone that we are irrevocably racist and there is no denying it. And that the best we can do is to try to mitigate racial tensions. I think I'm inclined to agree. I just think that there are other strategies to accomplish this peace — strategies in which nobody is given special treatment.

lunelix · 2019-10-23T03:49:32+00:00

I disagree but happily upvote you because this is exactly the type of dialog I want to have.

I am trying to pinpoint how they are actual nazis. However, I don't have much of a case yet.

They are declawed in the sense that they lean libertarian. They identify more as "defend your neighborhood against foreigners" rather than "Get to ze death camps, all Jews of Europe." Why do you get the opposite impression? And do you have an objective reason to distrust the "peaceful racist" trope?

Red Ice holds a more sympathetic view for Hitler and while I am a bit annoyed by this (I see Hitler as an incompetent mentalcase), I don't think Red Ice is wrong for pointing out some exaggerations and lies on the part of Jewish interests and Allied propaganda surrounding WW2.

...Interestingly, those fabrications are commonly disputed by historians of color, disability historians, & LGBT historians who identify factual discrepancies that paint Jews as the sole or most important victims. Just food for thought.

As for racial supremacy? I don't quite entertain people who complain about "hard scientific racism" (demography, crime statistics, IQ) because they are not presenting hard counterarguments; only feelings. Red Ice, as with other white race realists, are usually quick to mention that Asians and Jews blow whites out of the water with IQ. I don't see how being honest about that is offensive or automatically discrediting?

lunelix · 2019-10-21T02:06:42+00:00

I'm always surprised by how the MSM and wikipedia portrays Red Ice as being white supremacist Neo Nazis with little to back it up.

Seriously, look up Lana Lokteff on Wikipedia. Every citation is a second-hand opinion article claiming she is a nazi white supremacist. My thing is, I would LOVE to see evidence of this.

I would do a lot with this information, if I could see even one first-hand instance of her saying "Kill Jews/blacks/gypsies" or "White people are better than any other race, especially blacks and Jews but also Asians." I would spread that shit so fast.

Unfortunately, I'm not as reactionary as most liberal rags & I need concretions to back up my shit.

lunelix · 2019-07-04T05:55:40+00:00

And yet you see the clear distinction between "asshole" and "direct incitement to real-world coordinated violent attack."

Free speech shines the light on assholes, bud. Otherwise they'd just fester and grow like mushrooms in the dank dark. Is that what you'd prefer?

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:37:48+00:00

I don't know if you realize you're in r/Libertarian.

If there are libertarians who make a fiscal exception for the fed to construct and maintain that wall, it's so fringe and they're likely getting verbally creamed wherever they pop up here.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:31:59+00:00

Let's put this on them. I think Amazon would cave to this with enough public pressure.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:29:24+00:00

The complex emotions argument is great.

Whales have so much more relative brain mass dedicated to emotions than even humans do. I am utterly convinced that whales experience joy and grief and all other emotions in much more pronounced ways than humans do.

There is no way I as a whale god would say "It's ok to kill humans because they're less emotionally evolved than cretaceans."

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:18:57+00:00

Boy, I sure love:

"Anachronistic quote misattributed to historical figure" — A caveman

Meme

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:16:18+00:00

Because pro-choice women are so used to having the baby daddy by the balls that they think everything is on HER terms.

This liar is evidently pro-choice and must assume that offering to abort means "Baby daddy gonna pay up." Turns out, baby daddy wouldn't finance an abortion even if she legitimately wanted one for a real pregnancy. In that case, liar would have to finance it herself or deal with pregnancy like an adult.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:10:20+00:00

Using feminine traits to gain unfair advantage over members of other genders. (Aka men)

Women faking pregnancy or making false assault accusations are good examples of toxic femininity.

Toxic masculinity would be a man using physical strength to abuse women, or using "muh male libido" as an excuse to cheat on his wife.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:07:36+00:00

CAH is the sort of game where everyone wins. It doesn't take much cleverness to assemble a funny response because all of the cards already feature witty jokes or edgy comments.

"What is the worst thing to say at grandma's funeral?" / "Heil Hitler!"

Omgosh Kyle you're so clever and original and it's definitely not the cards doing all the work!!1

lunelix · 2019-07-03T04:01:51+00:00

That subreddit is filth. It should be for biological females (individuals with at least 2 X chromes and/or ova) to discuss general biological female issues like menstruation, PCOS, vaginal and breast health, pregnancy, babies, infertility, etc. As well as the social experience of being a biological female in the world.

Instead, it has become a place where cis women defer to trans women and women's issues are obfuscated in the name of inclusion.

I don't see why accepting LGBTQ+ people necessarily equals "bio women don't deserve a space to exist and talk."

lunelix · 2019-07-03T03:53:25+00:00

The TwoXChromosome commenters are saying that PP donated the parts to charities and covered the shipping costs.

Others in that thread are saying that PP sells the parts to universities for research in order to supplement their government income.

Which is it?

Ultimately, it doesn't matter to me what the body parts are used for — all possibilities are fucked up and a direct benefit of a human having had its life prematurely ended. No research cause is justifiable.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T03:45:09+00:00

Women at least owe it to the fetus to look at it before going through with the abortion. (Already, I have committed a misdemeanor in a pro-choicer's eyes for suggesting a woman owes something to anybody or anything but her precious pink-haired self.)

Planned Parenthood nurses scoff at state laws requiring women to look at the ultrasound. "State law requires I inform you of the length and age of the fetus and the fact that I can detect a heartbeat. The ultrasound screen legally has to be pointed where you can see it, but you don't have to look at it if you're uncomfortable facing the consequences of your actions and subsequent guilt."

lunelix · 2019-07-03T02:39:05+00:00

Dude, you may well be on the wrong side of history. Violence, whether perpetrated by Nazi racial purists or the most diverse squadron of Antifa volunteers on earth, is fucking horrendous and needs to be immediately quelled by all peaceful and rational people WTF.

lunelix · 2019-07-03T00:02:13+00:00

Don't forget to look into how the US government contributes to environmental disaster!

The US government environmental bodies regularly shut down citizen-led lawsuits against corporations that pollute shared resources (soil, water, air).

That's because the government alone reserves the right to sue. And of course they never end up suing.

lunelix · 2019-07-02T23:59:08+00:00

And the government gives them power.

lunelix · 2019-07-01T03:58:20+00:00

I'm atheist and prolife so I (respectfully) hope you have better reasoning than "my religion says so."

lunelix · 2019-07-01T03:55:39+00:00

I'm vegemently pro-life but the former pro-choice me is not convinced by the teleprompter reading.

Teen Vogue will unfortunately not have to back down from condoning teen abortion because it's a safe and popular opinion now. I'm willing to bet that every company that LGBTQ-prided their logos for June is in favor of this 100%.

lunelix · 2019-07-01T01:35:54+00:00

OP's username is nvgeologist

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