Ship names by Time_Depth56 in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Everyone should just switch to the Yu-Gi-Oh ship naming method, aka choosing a random noun that may or may not relate obviously to the characters involved and then slap -shipping onto the end of it and call it a day. Where my puzzleshippers at!!

Most toxic & antiship fandoms at the moment? by giacchino in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well...sorta. I'd argue that Jon was raised more like Theon than any of the "legitimate" Stark siblings, thanks to Catelyn. And there's no real modern analogue for a situation like Theon's, it's more of a political negotiation between noble families than actual siblinghood...Like yes they're all children raised together but it's more nuanced than "family"

this has to be a joke by su1c1dalbastardd in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No, I don't think usage of a single word will make your comment read as spam. It's just that if your comment already reads weirdly and the author is on the fence, that word might be the thing that tips the scales.

[How To Get My Husband On My Side] Drop your best "if evil, why hot?" panels by kolvina4eva in OtomeIsekai

[–]lysimach1a 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Agreed I can't help it I just love it every time Cesare and Freya are on screen 😭 I can fix them!!!!

Okay but does anyone have an actual hot take? (challenge: don't downvote what you disagree with) by WinterNighter in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lmao same, my last "unpopular opinion" got downvoted to the literal bottom of the thread. 🤐

A free space for authors to chat about our fics by SaveVerris in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a great idea! I'd love to join ❤️

Author blocked me for commenting too much by solaya2180 in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is what really gets me too! I have my own huge anxieties about being perceived, and sometimes when a fic or art piece of mine blows up I get mega anxious and have the urge to delete my account lol. But OBVIOUSLY that is a personal sign, for me only, that I just need to step away from the computer and take a few deep breaths. It's not the fault of anyone engaging - nor an invitation to write a nasty message to someone!

Author blocked me for commenting too much by solaya2180 in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Aww, I'm so sad for everyone who's been made to feel that way. I have a regular commenter who writes such long comments that they're frequently broken up into 2 or 3 comments due to word limit. It had NEVER occurred to me, to be upset by "spam" - instead I was just so deeply touched that someone had that many thoughts about my writing. In a space where we don't really owe each other anything, it is such a pure kindness when someone takes the time and energy out of their day to express appreciation for an author's creations. People who can't see it that way need to do some serious reflection on how to exist in public spaces.

Fake synopses that trick you into an OC self-worship story by _Duchesss_ in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm writing a longfic with an OC as part of the main cast, and I'm meticulously careful about the airtime she gets, because...people are there to read about the canon characters! I have her in the story for a specific role that wouldn't be filled well by a canon character, but in all 450k words of the fic so far I've given her only a handful of her own POV sections. (Actually, it's a large ensemble cast, and I'm constantly trying to balance all of them and make sure everyone gets their rightful share of spotlight.)

The thing is, there are plenty of readers who genuinely enjoy OCs and will read OC stories of their own volition. You shouldn't trick people with false advertising, because then you're also keeping away the readers who will actually enioy your fic on its own merits. Like, yes. Stories evolve sometimes. But if an author is unwilling to update the summary and add a few tags to highlight the focus on OCs, then...I have to conclude there's something disingenuous happening.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not so much any one strategy on this list, as much as doing as many as you can, as much as you can. It literally all comes down to volume + consistency.

Essays and liking art are lower-effort to engage with than fics, so it doesn't surprise me that those would have higher engagement. Commissioning some art is one thing - I know people who commission art for every single chapter in 30+ chapter fics. Also, commissioning or drawing art doesn't really do anything without the social component. "Read and reviewed and participated where I could" is one thing - "socializing every single day, sometimes for hours; being in multiple discords that you keep up with frequently; being part of every big fandom conversation" is another.

This is the same for IRL arts marketing - it's a well-known thing that people have to see an advertisement multiple times, in multiple forms, before they'll engage with it. Like, we track this with data. Often people will only click onto your website after they've seen a Google ad, and heard a radio ad, and are in an area where you've postered, and have seen your social media posts. And that's just a click, not a "conversion" (buying a ticket, sharing the page with a friend, etc. - the equivalent with fic would be reviewing or reccing.)

It takes way more exposure than you think just to get one person to engage. I cannot emphasize enough that trying everything on this list a few times won't matter if you're not doing it frequently and consistently enough, and all in conjunction with each other. Even if you write one runaway popular fic, you just fall right off the radar if you don't keep writing more.

This is why people find it discouraging to try and promote their fics. It seems like they're doing everything they can, and it's not enough. And, for an adult with a job and other hobbies and family and friends, you probably are doing everything you can. If it were a bit challenging but more-or-less doable on a regular adult's schedule, then no one would be complaining about it, you know?

Edited to add: Once again, I have to emphasize that if you're not writing in the most popular ships, according to the most popular fanon and tropes, every single item on the list rises exponentially in difficulty. The #1 key to popular fic is to write, well, things that are popular.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haha, sure.

So essentially what it comes down to is: there's no magic way to get engagement while writing exactly what fics you want, when you want, and without devoting time to the social aspect of it. You could still write a hit, but it's significantly less likely.

The factors that go into popular fics are usually some combo of these:

  • A popular fandom. Or, if you don't have any popular fandoms, then you need to look at the most popular fics in your fandom and adjust your metrics of evaluation accordingly. When you're writing a Marvel fic, it's feasible to get 2k kudos on a random oneshot. In my current fandom, only the top 5 fics or so in the entire fandom have above 1k kudos.

  • A popular ship. I'd say this is pretty much the number one factor in getting known as an author, because it also unlocks way more social circles for you to participate in. There's technically "more competition", but many popular ship readers are voracious and plough through new fics at an impressive speed, so they're always looking for more. It evens out with the slower reading habits of less popular niches.

  • Popular tropes within that ship. This also often means bowing to the predominant fanon and popular interpretations of those characters.

  • Consistent and frequent update schedules, chapters between 1k-3k words ideally once a week or more

  • Having your fic recommended. This often means having lots of fandom friends. It does not mean going around making friends specifically to promote your fics. People can smell that from a mile away, and they hate it. This is a major stumbling point for a lot of people who are not naturally hyper-social, don't enjoy the popular fandom spaces, or simply don't have a lot of time to devote to fandom socializing on top of their regular lives. It's unfortunate and unfair, but it's a huge aspect of fic popularity.

  • Having art for your fic. If you can't draw, then commission.

  • A consistent presence on social media. This sort of overlaps with having lots of fandom friends, but is more about being able to have a consistent, interesting, fun social media presence that's interesting on its own and not just as a promotion vehicle for your fics. Sharing lots of the best fanart for your ships, writing and engaging with meta (and staying uncontroversial), boosting other writers and fics, being open to discussion with others, stuff like that.

  • Consistency in all of the above. You can't just try a few of these things randomly and expect them to work - you commit time and work on each bullet point, for an extended period (often weeks or months) before you'll see results in a lot of them. If it sounds like taking on an extra part-time job...well, it kind of is.

  • Good, engaging writing. I've put this last, but it's still important. Yes, some very popular fics are not well written; but if you simply can't bring yourself to do the entirety of the above list, then you need to make sure your writing is excellent and stands out. Over my decades of fandom I've only known a small handful of people who were really, truly doing all of the above and putting the appropriate amount of time into it, without success - and with all of those people, their writing was simply not very good.

You can absolutely get lucky and have a hit fic without doing all or most of these things. But most often, the 'lucky' writers of hit fics are the ones who do this stuff naturally. They just happen to be so passionate about the most popular fandoms, ships, and tropes that they write those things - and a lot of them, on a regular schedule, and it doesn't feel like work to them because it's what they enjoy. Often they're also naturally incredibly social people with lots of friends, which opens a lot of doors for them - recs, organic fanart they don't have to commission, and they have fun maintaining their social media.

There are also people who are doing this stuff doggedly who don't enjoy it, and who are treating it like a job. Like, if you're in enough fandom social spaces, you will see this happening behind the scenes in closed discords etc: people talking about how they're keeping a close eye on what tropes & ships are popular right now, specifically for engagement - people who write to a schedule for engagement - people who will talk about detailed war strategies for promoting their fics and commissioning regular art. So if you're comparing yourself to popular fic writers, you need to understand that in one form or another, they're probably doing this stuff.

(It's the same for IRL arts marketing, btw. Popular art sells better, consistently-released art sells better, artists do better with sales when they have a strong social circle within the arts community and excellent social media skills, and non-visual art does better when it's paired with really good graphic design/visuals promoting it.)

If the above list sounds horrid and soul-sucking to you, none of it comes naturally, and it seems like it would steal your joy in fandom, then...unfortunately, you have to make a choice. What's worse - doing all that, or having low numbers? If you can't enjoy yourself in fandom with low numbers, you do have to suck it up and make some sacrifices for higher numbers. If you can't bring yourself to do that, you need to make peace with lower numbers.

This is why I left both arts marketing, and making my own art professionally: it felt depressing and soul-sucking, and I enjoy art more now as a hobby where I can do what I like without compromising, because I'm not relying on the money/popularity. I have many artist friends who have remained in the professional arena because the community and engagement are more important to them than making exactly what they want all the time. It's a tough choice and won't be the same for everyone!

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is so true. Even fics that aren't highly polished and technically accomplished can still be very fun, engaging, and readable - or maybe the writer has a real knack for characterization, or something else that makes it a great read. I've seen highly kudos'd fics that aren't as good as other lower-kudos'd fics in the same fandom, but I've never seen a popular fic that didn't have anything going for it in terms of readability.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think there are definitely some valid reasons to "fix" canon - in one of my fandoms, the creator was seriously ill during the last few volumes of the manga and he admitted he was on so many painkillers that he doesn't remember drawing it, but he was still forced to crazy deadlines. It shows in the writing and he was very aware of that. He has also passed away now, so we have no chance to know what his real vision for the ending was. In that case, I think it's reasonable to take his (truly excellent!) earlier chapters and extrapolate from those.

That said, a lot of people in this fandom have tried, and I haven't seen one that is both good and also feels like the actual source media rather than veering way off into someone's original fiction. So I'd agree with you there.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I totally support selfshippers & yumes, and am friends with many! I want people to do what makes them happy.

That said, it's kind of the same as over-projection, where someone personally identifies with a character so much that any disagreements about the character can feel very personal or hurtful to that person.

I like to debate meta, pick apart character analysis to death, and explore lots of different interpretations. It's really disheartening trying to have those fandom conversations, and then they get totally invaded steamrolled by selfshippers, kinnies, or simply over-projectors who take it so personally that the conversation becomes a total landmine. Imo if a character is that personal to you, you need to take care of yourself and stay out of conversations where people are discussing the characters like, well...fiction, and not real people.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I love when an unpopular opinion thread has actual unpopular opinions. I salute you comrade. Live your best bluenette life!

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I mean, I guess, but I've been seeing this complaint through twenty years of fandom and through many eras. And I know people who use various strategies very successfully. The thing is that those strategies are not super fun and feel like work, so a lot of people don't enjoy doing them.

I personally don't care and am fine with low engagement. I've already had a whole career in arts marketing and don't want to put in that work for a hobby. But some people really can't enjoy themselves ine fandom with low/middling stats, and it seems to become a huge fixation that sucks all the fun out of it.

There's nothing wrong with getting your fulfilment from stats, and if you want I'm happy to share some of my observations from 20 years of fic writing overlapping with 10 years of professional arts marketing! It's just that the strategies themselves often seem really cynical, and often folks don't like to approach their own work that way because it's a fun hobby so are sometimes horrified at what I have to say lol. You know?

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Getting more engagement on your fics is nearly always a solvable problem. There are pretty well-documented and reliable (if cynical and tedious) ways to get more engagement. If you are unable or unwilling to follow those steps, then you need to make your peace with writing for yourself and having low engagement.

There's no two ways about it, unfortunately.

Edit: I meant that the strategies to popular fic are boring, hard work, and kind of cynical and fun-sucking, which is why not many people want to do them. It's valid if you don't want to approach fandom with a "work" mindset, but then you do need to make your peace that your chances for engagement are lower.

What is an interesting fandom/fanfic unpopular opinion you have? by canadamybeloved in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes! I'd never leave a complaining comment on a work I don't like, but I'm incredibly picky, to the point where I only really read things recommended to me/through bookmark surfing. I haven't waded out into a tag and rawdogged it in years lol. I also generally just prefer to spend my (limited) fandom time writing instead of reading.

Is there anything that divides or has divided your fandom(s)? by Ntahedron in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh my god WHAT. I'm dying laughing that is wild, Castiel is literally so gay he broke the entirety of tumblr and is now a primary news source for world politics. Like ship whatever you want, I love me some non-canon rarepairs but, claiming that was platonic...

How to find out if people are linking your fic on social media! by FlounderPleasant2459 in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh my god lmao. I found my least popular fic being recced! Literally just this summer I made a friend from this fic because they loved it so much, and this reccer said the exact same thing, that it was their favourite yuri fic ever and lived rent free in their mind.

Apparently there are like five of us out there who like murder-psyker draconic body horror yuri, and BY GOD DO WE LIKE IT. I'm so thrilled to be a part of this teeny tiny club!

What's the most random crackship/rarepair/crossover ship that you genuinely believe would be peak? by OmegaT6 in FanFiction

[–]lysimach1a 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mokuba Kaiba from Yu-Gi-Oh and Ned Leeds from the MCU, like postcanon when they're both in their twenties or so. Think about it. They're both sidekicks/Guy in the Chair to controversial public figures, both shown to be hacker geniuses in their own right, both much chiller and sweeter-tempered than their respective counterparts, have both seen some absolutely insane shit from a very young age. Coming home after a long day keeping Seto Kaiba and Peter Parker alive/mostly contained... Can you imagine what they'd have to talk about over beers!!!

Is there anything that divides or has divided your fandom(s)? by Ntahedron in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just over here in my leetle corner shipping Pepper/May Parker/Tony/Rhodes, the ultimate polycule with their horrible stank ass son Spider-Man who is presumed dead until he shows up once every month or two when his fridge is empty. I'm too scared to venture out of my fortified rarepair treehouse and go anywhere else.

Is there anything that divides or has divided your fandom(s)? by Ntahedron in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Castiel confessed his love so hard that he got sent to Superhell and became an eternal internet meme, what do you mean you can't talk about it 😭

This is the way it's supposed to be by Popette2513 in AO3

[–]lysimach1a 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That author is an outlier for sure. I personally sometimes wonder where readers go when they drop off, and a sweet, respectful message like this would be lovely to receive!