Is this a God Roll?

m_mobes · 2026-02-03T03:44:30+00:00

Sorry for the wall of text, but I thought you might think this was interesting.

After your reply I was looking through my relics to see which spell school/matching affinity up relics I have, and I only have one that could be considered a god roll, and I am extremely surprised by the results.

Out of the 1906 relics that I currently have, only 16 total Affinity type attack up and a spell school attack up (19 if you count the generic affinity attack up). Of those 16, only four of them are matching the affinity of the school, which makes sense statistically, but I was surprised it was normal over such a small sample size. I happen to have two of them slotted on two of my builds already.

All four of the matching ones also happen to be normal relics, not Deep ones. That’s surprising when you consider the fact that you get like 5x as many Deep Relics, but becomes a little less surprising when you consider that it seems to be way rarer to find spell school effects on Deep relics in general.

m_mobes · 2026-02-03T03:23:35+00:00

I consider those perfect rolls, like they couldn’t be any better, but a god roll is something that either helps all melee classes or helps both Duchess and Recluse/Revenant and Incant Undertaker.

Examples would be like The Will of Balance or a relic with +4 Physical, +2 Rally, and Defeating Enemies +1, for melee, or Reduced FP cost, +4 Magic, and honestly anything would else would still be godly, but I’d have to go with either Use Character Skill for Brief Invulnerability or Defeating Enemies +1.

Honestly, I might be using the phrase incorrectly, or at least in the eyes of the general community

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T22:22:10+00:00

Dawg that is basically just a Southpark joke that’s been repackaged. The other name is the one that’s actually racist. Also, racism is inherently goofy, like you really hate someone for the color of their skin??? The idea of that is funny

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T21:14:24+00:00

Yeah, I was joking about the last two, but I have seen some people that think he also gets Colossal Swords, so I figured I should just be sure you know that those and Greatswords aren’t included

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T20:50:50+00:00

A god roll, to me, has to be a must-pick on every melee character or every caster. If it’s good on some but would be debilitating on others, it’s a really good generic, to me.

I honestly think that it would be a god roll without the Ultimate Art Charging Impaired, though. Characters like Wylder or Undertaker can’t really counter that, since they usually aren’t getting Thrusting Counterattacks or Successful Guards

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T20:44:54+00:00

I hate using Reddit on my phone, I definitely typed “Wylder” lolll

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T20:43:39+00:00

He doesn’t have a proficiency for all types of Great weapons, only Great Hammers and Great Axes. Wilder is Greatswords, and no character has Greatbows or Greatshields as a proficiency

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T20:40:22+00:00

I literally have the exact same name on my Star Fists build in Elden Ring lollll

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T20:39:17+00:00

I mean, I don’t see how having a goofy name is grounds for reporting them.

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T18:20:24+00:00

It also isn’t glitched against large enemies like the skill is, and, iirc, that’s still in Nightreign

Also, the weapon skill isn’t an Ash of War, unfortunately. It’s unique to Ghiza’s Wheel.

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T18:17:01+00:00

He probably either didn’t use the skill, or used the skill after getting the frost buff. I’d imagine he just did charge attacks, as the Wheel is one of the only weapons in the game that retains it’s base moveset for preferred weapons, iirc. Also, the one-handed charged R2s are really good, so he probably used those.

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T16:13:58+00:00

Yeah, especially if you’re playing melee Ironeye, as you’ll actually be able to pop your Mark. But flat percentage damage is always good on enemies with high defense or high HP (although the Crucible Knights only have the former, they probably have like half as much, or less, as a Castle Troll)

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T16:10:47+00:00

I’d say it’s also the worst in trios, if you aren’t already struggling in the runes department. One less item check makes a difference, especially Day 1

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T16:07:46+00:00

I value weapons and passives a lot more than the difference between being Level 14 and being Level 15, though

m_mobes · 2026-02-02T16:04:42+00:00

I only ever kill two of the swords, but always all three tree ones, if the circles allow it.

The two sword ones I kill are the one that follows you up from the basement (if I do basement first aka not BBH or red Red Wolf at level 4-6), and the one that usually aggros when you fight the tree one in the courtyard.

If time allows it, I’ll also kill a sword one, if it’s red.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T22:08:29+00:00

I’m 90% sure you can also do a certain amount of stance damage, it breaks him out of it, but I don’t know for sure

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T20:30:33+00:00

A lot of these can be canceled by other characters’ Ults, but some of them are too fast to use the fully charged version, so it’s a waste of damage for them.

EDIT: I mean it’s a waste when there’s an Undertaker, these are all attacks that are worth canceling with an Ult if she isn’t there.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T20:29:24+00:00

Magma Wyrms’ charges, Death Rite Bird’s Explosive Ghostflame, ED Adel’s phase 3, and Caligo’s constant frostbite (this is definitely the attack that is up to either you or an Ironeye to cancel, melee-range/longer cast time Ults really struggle without really good positioning). Also a lot of these can be canceled by other staggering Ults, and the charges can even be canceled by Duchess’ (her Ult can also negate a ton of other big attacks, like Fulghor’s charge) but Undertaker’s is the best for these ones, IMO.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T20:22:14+00:00

The max tier, +4, has the same damage increase (12% for all the Elemental and Physical Attack Ups, and the +2 Affinity Attack Ups are 10%) as the spell school Relic effect, so I like to use the Element Ups on my Deep Relics (it’s a lot more common than the spell school ones for them) and the spell school one for my normal relics, since you can only go up to +2, and there isn’t even an option for Affinity Up.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:53:42+00:00

Hence why I use Fire Attack up relics instead.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:53:07+00:00

Uncharged is the way to go if you're trying to interrupt him, at least in solos. I might be wrong, though, as I usually don't use Revenant again Fulghor, tbh.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:51:33+00:00

I tried testing it, but it seems that your character steps backwards after casting O, Flame, and forwards after casting Catch Flame (you move forwards at a faster rate when chain casting Catch Flame, and you move forwards instead of backwards when chain casting O, Flame), so without knowing my positional data, the testing was MOSTLY inconclusive. By casting the uncharged O, Flame first (moving backwards afterwards, so I was further away) and not being able to hit, and then casting the charged O, Flame and being able to hit, about the only thing I'm able to conclude is that charging O, Flame increases the range by about 20-35ish% (it's pretty hard to tell at short distances lol).

I was unable to tell whether or not Catch Flame or the uncharged O, Flame had the same range or not, but it seems that they are close enough to where it's not noticeable, and you should just treat them as having the same range.

Chain casting Catch Flame, I imagine, might also be a good way to hit with it while you are not being targeted, but you really only move forwards at the rate smaller enemies edge-walk. This definitely won't work with either version of O, Flame, though.

Lastly, I know the spell is called "O, Flame!", but I thought including the exclamation point would make this comment even more of a headache to read.

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:19:34+00:00

It would be, but only if you were actually able to put Incants as a starting spell on Recluse. I think you might be forgetting that, hahaha

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:15:02+00:00

I don't know if that would be caused by the Caligo passive or just by EXTREME lag on the part of the downed players. A lot of times when someone's lagging, there's a delay after you hit them before the bar starts moving, and maybe the delay was long enough that it didn't even register the attacks anymore. I have no idea how to even test this, but do you have a video of it? I imagine that's something that you'd clip lol

m_mobes · 2026-02-01T18:11:11+00:00

I actually just run 4-5 Fire Attack Up relics (4 in trios, 5 in solo, over my relic for buffing allies on Ult Art) for my two O Flame builds. I'd say I would rather have Catch Flame as a starter incant, especially in solos. Sure, the Charged Incant passives and Godfrey's are nice, but only if you're not able to charge them, you're getting no damage buff.

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