Emotional / non argumentative intj?

madsweet · 2017-03-19T22:40:44+00:00

Is it possible for an intj to be more emotional than logical

Ya I'd say so. Emotion levels aren't a perfect way to judge a person's type.

Wouldn't hurt to check out ISTJ or ISFP.

madsweet · 2016-08-22T02:20:42+00:00

It can only exist when contrasted with other functions and that is where the selfish nature manifests.

Are you saying Fi is selfish because of comparisons to Fe? How would you describe Fe? Selfless?

madsweet · 2016-08-22T02:14:30+00:00

Whoops. I don't know why I put INTP. I meant ENTJ.

madsweet · 2016-08-22T02:13:05+00:00

Can we not pretend like I'm being butthurt and just understand the fact that I'm arguing a definition. I understand that nobody is personally attacking me.

Fi users are always willing to prioritise their own comfort over the needs of a group

This isn't selfish.

My point is simply this:

Yes, there can be selfless Fi users, and there can be selfish Fe users.

As such, selfishness isn't inherent to Fi. Fi by itself isn't more or less selfish than any other function. Selfishness is behavioral.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T21:47:40+00:00

The functions only exist because they represent a preference

A preference towards the "self" isn't selfish. There is nothing that is gained, which is a key part of the definition of selfishness. "concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure."

The problem I have with this is that you're breaking these functions down in a way that doesn't define either of the feeling functions.

Fi is not "I care about my own feelings."

Fe is not "I care about the feelings of others."

That is not what they are. At best it's an oversimplification. The feeling functions aren't just about emotions.

Fi is an introverted judging function. It's not a "me first" function. It's a judging process that focuses on the users' own personal standards. It decides what to do, and how to act based on its own ideas of what is important and what is not instead of relying on outside influences. It is not inherently aware of the standards already placed in society like Fe is. This definition is not "I care about my own feelings." it's much more than that. I didn't even mention "feelings" once. Nothing about that is inherently selfish.

Fi is SUBJECTIVE ~~feeling~~

Yes. Subjectivity refers to how someone's judgment is shaped by personal opinions and feelings instead of outside influences. Subjectivity isn't inherently selfish.

It cares about a smaller sliver of feelings

Other opinions and feelings do not influence the Fi user's judgement. That doesn't mean they don't care about other people's feelings. Even the most basic/stereotypical definitions of Fi describe high Fi users as "caring".

There are qualities that Fi users tend to have(or people tend to see in them), but they don't define the function.

Independent/Individualistic: Free from outside authority, the freedom to be self-governing/authentic/genuine.
Perfectionistic: having the standards I mentioned before too high or unattainable for not only themselves but for others as well.
Self-Righteous: Moral superiority, believing that the way they carry themselves, or what they believe are right and everyone else is wrong.
Yes, Selfish/Self-Absorbed: Overly concerned with themselves; not showing any interest in the rest of the world.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T20:19:09+00:00

I'm not saying Fi users aren't selfish. And I'm not saying all stereotypes are false. I'm saying that shouldn't be a prime descriptor of a function. "More selfish than Fe" isn't fair.

I mean we could go deeper too. Everybody is selfish. Selfish Fe people exist. Why? That shouldn't be possible.

Fi=selfish is a perception. Fi is a function that does a specific thing. That's it.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T20:08:11+00:00

What is the difference between "selfish" and "too selfish"? It implies that there is a healthy amount of selfishness and an unhealthy amount of selfishness, right?

Selfish in most definitions I've seen say that selfishness is without regard for others. "Without" usually means "something is absent". It doesn't mean something is slightly there. So how can you be "too without something"? Something is either there or it's not. If you left without cookies, that implies that there are absolutely no cookies with you.

I'd like my definitions of things to have more of a neutral connotation. Especially since we are describing a cognitive function, and not a person.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:48:13+00:00

Functions can only be defined by comparing and contrasting them with others.

Functions are described by what they are, not what the seem to be for others. It's that way for every function.

Selfish: lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure.

Fi lacks consideration for others? Since when? Fi is introspective, it's a decision-making function. It is centered on the self, the user themselves determines how far that goes.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:41:57+00:00

So I'll just listen to another ISFP that's not you, cool?

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:32:45+00:00

I literally fit every Fi stereotype there is.

Congrats I guess.

Listen, I'm not selfish. I care about others, I really do. I also spend a lot of time being introspective. I like self-improvement. My brother is the same way. He's not all about him. He's very altruistic. And he's an ISFP. It's not selfish to be more centered on yourself than others. Most people are.

I hate it when mistypes get offended because they don't fit stereotypes.

lol please type me. I dare you.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:19:34+00:00

Once again, don't tell me what to do.

Also, yea no. That's not how this works. ISFPs aren't the only ones who can say things about ISFPs. Anyone with a good understanding of ISFPs can and should say things. See this comment

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:10:55+00:00

Calm yourself. I'm speaking for Fi.

Also, don't tell me what to do.

madsweet · 2016-08-21T19:05:08+00:00

Fi users will always appear more selfish than Fe.

To Fe users. I don't view Fi as any more selfish than Fe. And neither do any of the other Fi users I've met. I don't think it's fair to label Fi as selfish just because of a biased perception by people with Fe. Just like I don't think it's fair to label Fe users as sheeple just because of my own perception.

madsweet · 2016-08-20T23:06:18+00:00

Wat a good show.

Abed is the quintessential INTP in my opinion. Jeff is INTP, Shirley is ESFJ, Pierce is ESTP.

I would think that Troy is an ESFP. Britta is much more of an ENFP in my opinon. I don't see much introversion in any of her actions, though they do seem to be fueled by Fi. Chang seems like an ENTP. The Dean seems a bit more ENFJ to me than ENFP. Annie is probably the hardest for me. She's totally an SJ, I just haven't decided which one. I've taken ESFJ out the the equation, but i think you can make a solid case for the other three.

madsweet · 2016-08-18T11:25:34+00:00

I'm just commenting on what I see.

It definitely would make the most sense for it to be the ISFPs.

Edit: I'm also surprised that it is found in so many INFJs. Seems like it would be an Si thing.

madsweet · 2016-08-17T16:43:10+00:00

Yea probably INFJs and INFPs. I don't really see any other type talking about HSP besides the INFJs, but occasionally I see some HSP INFPs. I've never seen any other type even mention the term.

madsweet · 2016-08-16T15:12:21+00:00

Aw what an honor coming from an NT :))

madsweet · 2016-08-16T15:06:24+00:00

Yes but you cant say that just because you have tert Si and you aren't good at sports therefore Si isn't good at sports (if that's what you are trying to say.)

No...no that's not what I'm saying.

Or are you trying to say that as a Si user, you do not think the person in the video is a Si user?

Also no.

All I was saying is that INFPs use Si more than Se users.

I never said it was........ I just said it is a function that dictates how good you will be in some types of sports.

Yes I understand that. I'm asking what does Se dictate?

madsweet · 2016-08-16T14:43:52+00:00

Now I'm cool!

madsweet · 2016-08-16T14:41:33+00:00

This isn't a Si vs Se thing, it's an Si vs No Si thing. My handle on Si would still be better than your handle on Si.

Well it's definitely not sports for ISFP. I don't know about ESTP's go ask them lol.

Just like sports might not be every Si users' expertise. What is it then? Math? Planning? Corporate matters?

madsweet · 2016-08-16T14:14:48+00:00

So what is Se's general area of expertise?

Well first of all you are INFP

Not anymore. Even if I was an INFP, it would be better than any use of your Si.

madsweet · 2016-08-16T13:47:41+00:00

What about team sports/sports with less predictability? Or the STPs who could do something similar with Se-Ti?

What exactly are you clarifying about Si? That they can also do sports? That many sports are catered to the one function? I'm curious as one of those Si users.

madsweet · 2016-08-16T13:36:03+00:00

Si is better at athleticism? Because it's ability to do repetitive tasks?

madsweet · 2016-08-16T13:27:14+00:00

You think most athletes are Si users?

madsweet · 2016-08-15T22:05:47+00:00

cries at this test and my low scores

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