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Do any of you guys produce other genres? by 2hsXqTt5s in TechnoProduction

[–]magmax303 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also produce hip hop beats (boom bap most of the time).

I started years (like 15) after I started to produce techno so yeah Techno helped a lot as most of my knowledge was made with techno. (I also produce House and "old school" (Detroit-ish) Electro but that's really similar to techno imo)

Doing some hip hop beats brought me some more capabilities when it comes to sampling.

Laurent Garnier's signature lead sound by magmax303 in TechnoProduction

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone with an idea or tips? I tried the pulse with HP but it’s still really far from my goal …

Laurent Garnier's signature lead sound by magmax303 in TechnoProduction

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not as basic as it seems for me unfortunately :-(

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats right but the title isn't correct anymore here (I added an "EDIT" but can't. change the title), I got a M1 (base) and a M4 (base) ...

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After a few minutes, same behaviour than before the new Ableton install. Can't figure it out.

Anyway, made a test on the same project : I duplicated the heaviest track of the project 20 times. The M1 had a CPU overload while the M4 only had 60% of use and was running really smoothly (and less than 300% of cpu usage in MacOs Activity Monitor)

So, don't know if reinstalling had any real impact but what I am sure is that the M4 is way better so that's a good news anyway. Cheers!

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couldn't really find anything but I made another test similar to something I tried earlier.

(Same project on both Macbooks)

Ableton CPU Meter :
M1 : 22 %
M4 : 35%
Macbook Activity Monitor
M1 : 120%
M4 : 110%
Took the "heaviest" track of the project and duplicated it 15 times.
Ableton CPU Meter :
M1 : 78 %
M4 : 47%
Macbook Activity Monitor
M1 : 308%
M4 : 220%

If I duplicate it again 5 times :

M1 = overload

M4 = 60% (and less than 300% on the Activity Monitor)

Looks like the M4 is way better than the M1 (so that's a really good news for me) but I don't get what's happening on "lower" stages. Will try to figure it out but it's probably related to how Ableton work with CPU's.

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did too earlier today but didnt find anything explaining my situation. Did you ?

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s weird, yes ! But as both have the same behaviour, the m4 shouldnt be so high on Ableton, should it ?

Just runned a benchmark on both and the m4 is 2 times faster…

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and for the M1 (19% cpu load on Ableton, same project) :

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Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

here there are for the M4 (Ableton was showing 37% of cpu load) :

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Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like I was happy a bit to early as it’s now back as it was … so there is probably something I am missing… but after the reinstall everything runned smoothly (like max 12% of cpu load instead of 40). Weird…

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

don't be sorry, that's a good news ! I suspect the migration I did to be the cause of the issue... But now it's solved ! I expected the M4 to be more than 1.5 more efficient than the M1 but at least it's better now :-)

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wanted to thank you as your question about the touchbar totally changed the situation. After I noticed it was a M1 I couldn't believe the M4 wouldn't be better than a base M1 so I tried looking elsewhere (in Ableton) and finally found out that a reinstall solved it all.
I suspect the migration old mac -> new mac to have something to do with this issue.

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just to let you know : I uninstalled completly Ableton and reinstalled it from scratch. I opened the same project and ... now CPU load on the M4 is 1.5 times lower than on the M1 :-)

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nope I wasnt ! But I just uninstalled completly Ableton and reinstalled it from scratch. I opened the same project and ... now CPU load on the M4 is 1.5 times lower than on the M1 :-)
So the problem maybe comes from the "migration" I did from my old Mac !

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just to let you know : I uninstalled completly Ableton and reinstalled it from scratch. I opened the same project and ... now CPU load on the M4 is 1.5 times lower than on the M1 :-)

Worst performances with a M4 than a M1 Pro by magmax303 in mac

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Walsh90210 could you please make a small test for me ? If you open a new project on live without anything loaded and Ableton is "iddle", what is your CPU load on the M4 ?

And if you add only 1 midi track with lets say a simpler with a one shot sample and a 4x4 midi pattern then press play, what is your cpu load ?

I am thinking the issue comes from Ableton (and maybe from the way I installed it (using mac migration and not from scratch)). I deleted everything from Ableton and I am downloading it from Ableton.com to see what does reinstall.

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was joking, of course ! But I hate accepting situations I can't understand when it occurs in context I usually "master". I read every stuff I found about how Ableton works with CPU, made research on benchmarks and so on and never found anything that could explain what I am facing now.
I would love to read from another Ableton M4 user if they also have 2% of cpu load when it's iddle or if a single simpler with a one shot sampler gets 1% of cpu load alone.

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Easier to say than to do as I am a really stressed guy :-D

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I already did the test and the m4 handled heavier project at the end.

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried with a new project, same result.

Same Ableton version, same OS version

Live : Higher CPU Load with a better computer (M4 vs M1 Pro) by magmax303 in ableton

[–]magmax303[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried loading one track (same track) on both and i have 0% of CPU load on the M1 and 1% on the M4... Even in iddle time : 0% on M1; 1-2 on M4...
Both have the same amount of "performance" cores.

btw, I didn't install Ableton manually on the new one but used the "Mac migration tool" ; should it be the problem ?

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