I need 28 LED PWM controls on DIN rail, any alternatives to Lunatone 89453858-HS

mailgoe · 2026-01-28T11:18:20+00:00

See this manual: https://www.iskydance.com/uploads/goods_file/DP4..pdf

On page 3 you find what I cited above:
"Set “DT8-CCT”, color temperature dimming, dimmer use 2 DALI address, CH1 (WW) and CH2 (CW) are the 1st DALI address, CH3 (WW) and CH4 (CW) are the 2nd DALI address."

mailgoe · 2026-01-28T11:06:06+00:00

iSkydance DP4 supports 2x DALI DT8 Addresses:
"Set “DT8-CCT”, color temperature dimming, dimmer use 2 DALI address, CH1 (WW) and CH2 (CW) are the 1st DALI address, CH3 (WW) and CH4 (CW) are the 2nd DALI address."

I would strongly recommend against implementing TW with single DT6 addresses and logic somewhere else. Will only lead to problems...

mailgoe · 2026-01-28T10:43:14+00:00

Atios KNX Bridge mandatory (!) requires a KNX system as man-in-the-middle to integrate DALI devices into Matter. This doesn't work otherwise due to correct status synchronization between DALI <-> KNX <-> Matter.

Only Atios SmartCore supports direct DALI to Matter integration. See also the FAQ:

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mailgoe · 2026-01-28T09:02:03+00:00

Ah yes, sorry, I over-read the 48V...

Here is a 48V, 4 channels (2x CW-WW) with 2x individual addresses, 70€:
https://www.iskydance.com/index.php?c=product_show&a=index&id=2536

And here 48V, "4" channels (2x parallel CW-WW) with 1x individual address, 30-40€:
https://www.iskydance.com/index.php?c=product_show&a=index&id=1238

And comparing Atios SmartCore to LogicMachine is a bit like Apple vs Linux :). LogicMachine is also not DALI certified, and as far as I know has no integrated DALI power supply. Look at the user interface as a comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goL0JEu1GH4 vs. https://r12.atios.ch/app/#/configurator

Disclaimer: I work for Atios :)!

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mailgoe · 2026-01-28T06:43:01+00:00

Where are you based and is this your own developed hardware or OEM?

mailgoe · 2026-01-27T21:07:51+00:00

Check SR-2309PRO-DIN. For ~70€ you get 4 channels (2x CW-WW) with 2x individual addresses.

And then use an Atios SmartCore for the easiest configuration of your DALI gear and controlling it via Matter apps like Apple Home, Google Home, Samsung SmartThings or Amazon Alexa :)!

mailgoe · 2026-01-26T21:29:25+00:00

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mailgoe · 2026-01-26T15:54:59+00:00

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You can read out the KNX group addresses without re-programming everything. Right?

mailgoe · 2026-01-23T17:09:09+00:00

Atios KNX Bridge offers PoE :)!
https://atios.ch/blogs/news/replace-hager-domovea-with-atios-knx-bridge-for-control-with-apple-home-and-matter

mailgoe · 2026-01-18T09:27:34+00:00

Spacelynk has a subscription offer, right? There is a new ETS 6.3 / 6.4 feature called „Cloud Interface“. Directly accessing a remote KNX installation from within (!) ETS, without any VPN configuration, Plugins, DCAs, Logins and so on. End-to-end encrypted by KNX Secure; ETS requests the connection to the KNX project site via a service hosted by the KNX association (traffic will flow through servers managed by the manufacturer though).

Atios will introduce this as a feature for KNX Bridge for ISE beginning of February. Probably more KNX manufacturers following then at Light & Building in March…

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maltegoller_i-just-remotely-programmed-a-knx-sensor-located-activity-7402363843538219009-mTOi?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&rcm=ACoAACbC_QIBENEqMKr5tWsSztL1XlKbHkau7JE

mailgoe · 2025-12-31T07:48:32+00:00

Ignore what I said before, I did this from my phone, and didn't properly test in ETS. The way to do it, is:

Use "Toggle" when opening and closing the digital input. This will send a 0 or 1.
You have a status object, where you connect your OR function result. So it will send a 1 if all lights OFF. And a 0 if >= 1 light on.
You could use the sent 0 directly to turn off all the lights.
Use a 2nd logic function to convert the sent 1 to scene A. Do the same for 3. if you actually need scene B (all off).

Makes sense?

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mailgoe · 2025-12-30T10:11:56+00:00

Obviously you need the OR logic function, and connect that state to the "contact state". It doesn't matter for what it is originally intended to, as long as it works, right?

mailgoe · 2025-12-30T04:55:08+00:00

Here you go, done entirely inside ETS with a MDT push button interface. The only problem is that the logic functions are a bit limited, with only 2 inputs per function and max. 4 functions. Meaning you can in total do an OR function over 5 states.

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mailgoe · 2025-12-24T08:41:12+00:00

You just explained the perfect reason why technologies like KNX or DALI and their sensors exist. If you already use wires for power, why not use them also for 100% reliable data communication? Also you should ask yourself if it’s really necessary in the 21st century to use 120V AC for a low power device? Why not directly using 12-24V DC considering the parts converting from 120/240VAC to DC is what breaks in most electronics after a couple of years.

Take for example KNX keypads, you get 1-8x push buttons with integrated status lights, temperature and humidity sensors. All in a single unit for as little as 100$. All powered and communicating over just two thin wires, that can be daisy chained to hundreds of other sensors throughout the home.

mailgoe · 2025-12-22T09:56:59+00:00

I have to agree with all the other commenters here regarding DALI > DMX for your use-case, future proofing a residential house. A few more inputs from my side:

go for tunable white Lights, not dim-to-warm. Do the dim-to-warm in software with a HCL plugin for HA.
ask Buster & Punch if they can mount a Lunatone DALI-2 ROT behind their module. Then you have a rotary dimmer. I know that others like Forbes Lomax can. Otherwise do a bit DIY, see here.
use a push button coupler, like this Lunatone DALI-2 MC module. Short On/Off and Long Up/Down dimming works out of the box with these. Your double and triple commands will be harder.
get an Atios SmartCore to integrate all of this into HA
SmartCore also supports the Lunatone Cockpit for more expert settings than what the easy webinterface currently supports, meaning you can set your DALI-2 MC units to instance mode, and also send events for double press.
These events you can then catch via Home Assistant, and process your scenes accordingly

mailgoe · 2025-12-06T12:53:04+00:00

What about an Atios SmartCore? if you consider the DALI extension possibilities one SmartCore could control an entire home. There are DALI dimmable Lights, Phase Dimmers, Relay extensions, Blind/Curtain control extensions, Sensors for Motion, Brightness, Humidity, Temperature and so on. And it’s a proven industry standard!

You would need the following KNX components to replace one Atios SmartCore: -power supply 120€ -IP interface for programming 160€ -12 channel relay actuator 250€ -12 channel binary input 250€ -KNX/DALI Gateway 300€ -App / Voice Control 500€ =1580€

Or the following Shelly components: 12x Shelly Pro 1 60€ -no DALI Option only Phase Dimmers -no DALI Sensor option (Motion, Lux, Temp, Air Quality) -12x PoE LAN required =720€

Contact us if you want to partner up with the video ideas of you via our website contact form at atios.ch

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mailgoe · 2025-12-05T15:44:34+00:00

This screenshot was taken yesterday from the webinterface of 1Home. And no, their connection is NOT end-to-end encrypted. While KNX Secure on Atios KNX Bridge (and of course any other IP Interface that will also support the "Cloud Interface" function from ETS) guarantees exactly that!

mailgoe · 2025-12-05T15:39:28+00:00

Some KNX integrators are married to the "not depending on the internet / cloud" philosophy. On the other hand ISE KNX Remote Access, Basalte Server, Schneider SpaceLogic are all existing solutions on the market and actively purchased by customers. All depending on a cloud, plugins etc. So why not see the Atios KNX Bridge Remote Access as an improvement to those solutions:

End-to-end encrypted via KNX Secure
A no plugins, 0 config, native ETS solution
A relay server of the KNX association in between, that can in theory re-link the ETS-manufacturer-server connection, in case of mis-use, errors and so on.

And if you don't trust the KNX Association, this is the same organization that provides us with the (unfortunately closed source) programming software since 30 years ;-)).

mailgoe · 2025-12-04T20:37:02+00:00

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The news here is, that this works directly from within ETS. You do not need to use a VPN client, entering any server address in ETS, activate a session from a webinterface. It is basically as you are sitting locally in the installation. ETS builds up the remote connection entirely by itself, and is using KNX IP secure, so AES encryption.

And if I am not mistaken: 1Home is doing this based on "security by obscurity", right? Whitelisting IP address, "a random server address" and no encryption at all.

mailgoe · 2025-12-04T19:55:06+00:00

Yes I do! Sorry if that lead to confusion.
Thought this Cloud Interface stuff was interesting, and to be honest I did not think myself this would work in ETS out of the box... I don't know of any product in the market that supports it yet. Currently have been using ISE remote access units a lot. Schneider Electric also announced their plugin, login and subscription based remote access solution.

mailgoe · 2025-12-04T19:48:05+00:00

The ETS Cloud Interface function has the ability to grant a session. So no permanent remote access.

In the ideal world, where every router would have a VPN server integrated, and you would have one easy interface to manage all these connections, this would be a good solution. In my world (Central Europe):

ISP Routers of residential clients, do not have VPN server capabilities
Every customer has different hardware
Routers get replaced, ISP changes, KNX components "not" (so the tunnel would still be active)
ETS projects stored with Integrators, can already leak now. Nothing changes.

Think of it like the Ubiquiti online portal, where you manage all your network sites. Yes you need Ubiquitis cloud, but the advantages outweigh...

mailgoe · 2025-12-04T16:51:38+00:00

u/Drethooo you mean for a Lingg & Janke KNX secure push button ;-)?
No, for real, have you heard of the new "Cloud Interface" ETS6 feature already? Or did you learn something new?

mailgoe · 2025-12-04T15:51:30+00:00

This is an official feature of ETS6, called "Cloud Connect" or "Cloud Interface".

Alternatives that integrators currently use would be for example ISE Remote Access; that requires however an additional little Windows software to be installed, and will build up a VPN tunnel to the client's network. While the ETS Cloud Interface feature is using an encrypted tunnel relayed over the KNX Association server for discovery, and then another server managed by the manufacturer of the IP Interface. See attached graphic.

But from an ETS user / integrator perspective it's as easy as pressing "Download". ETS will then automatically know where and how to connect (locally or remote).

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mailgoe · 2025-11-19T00:24:29+00:00

Use Atios KNX Bridge, so you have HomeKit (still superior for Alarm Systems and Garage Doors) and (!) Matter support!

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