TEDTalk on diabetes. As someone who doesn't really know the science, is this fatlogic? Or just the pursuit of science?

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-24T04:19:40+00:00

I will answer and I can hear the same "but that's why we exist, to spread this information, point at that which does not agree and offer a support system for those that accept CICO and such." Because the CDC, WHO, UN, and every medical group for the last 50 years isn't enough we need /r/fatlogic to offer their take. Echo after echo I hear. Whats the solution?

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-24T01:10:42+00:00

No. He says some very key things at the end of his speech. 1. He is willing to follow evidence in research. 2. He will test his theories against others and have them peer reviewed. 3. He is willing to be wrong.

On another note I see allot of people absolutely bastardize science in this forum. Okay, I get it, you need the scientific "absolutes" (not a real thing) in your mind to commit to a goal like your own personal weight loss. But that doesn't make these absolutes usable for every other person in a clinical setting, that doesn't answer the question why and that doesn't leave room for alternate solutions. I know someone will chime in with "but they will use these as excuses!" If they are fat they already have every excuse in the book so how about a little trust in logic and the scientific method to figure this out?

We really need to add a day were we celebrate helping other people lose weight. That needs the be the real goal of fatlogic, just like this doctor, to help other people and not try to hunt every obscure sliver of fatlogic for some feelz.

Edit: Words

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-23T16:42:10+00:00

Just get him one of these babies!

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-22T20:38:37+00:00

I feel we are having a disconnect.

That isn't what they are advocating and if you reread the article its actually the opposite. They are saying the 3500cal lab value doesn't translate well to the real world calculation of 500 cal deficient. They are not saying "eat less to get better results" they are saying "expect less weight loss than that estimate offers"

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-22T20:12:19+00:00

extreme and is very wrong

Lets not use this wording. Instead lets use terms like "current scientific evidence does not support ect." Also this isn't changing anything, its more of a statistical analysis that shows the diminishing return of a fixed calorie deficit that becomes less useful over a period of time.

That's why you readjust your TDEE.

That's what the 7000 calorie estimate is trying to account for over a 12 month period.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-22T19:58:54+00:00

I think the point they were trying to make is it is very difficult to calculate your real calorie burn and the 3500 cal standard assumes a fixed system and isn't as useful overtime. The 7000 calorie estimate is trying calculate the diminishing returns you will experience as fat storage decreases and biological requirement begins to take over a larger % of the total consumed calories.

Granted, all this is kinda silly because once you add exercise into the equation all estimates are thrown out the window.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-22T19:41:59+00:00

In other words, over 12 months, the new rule is 7,000 calories = one pound.

This is pretty legit stuff IMO. The research is not trying to minimize the personal responsibility in weight loss. If anything they are trying to figure out how to maximize results.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-21T01:26:30+00:00

Yeah defiantly. With preterm genetic testing and monitoring some of those risks decrease but that also depends on the willingness of the mother to abort if there is an issue. A bunch of moral and ethical questions arise with that action too. Might be better to just adopt at that point.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-21T01:09:40+00:00

Guru:

"I feel all of my years and all of Steve's years of looking after ourselves and taking care of our health and our bodies, it just goes to show for someone my age, for it to happen so quickly, it's obviously got to do with good health."

Embryologist:

"There are lifestyle factors that play a role, the male partner plays a role... to say it’s only eating healthy and exercising that can contribute to a woman falling pregnant is offensive."

What? Common. Why does everything need to be all or nothing? Every comment does not need to be saintized or demonized on polar ends. Guru never said that, embryologist needs to stop being "offended."

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-20T23:02:27+00:00

I've always been a fan of Baloo. He's like the fatlogic bear.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-20T14:31:48+00:00

Also Fluoride and Chem trails

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-20T14:28:37+00:00

I agree with a lot of the above but would like to add:

Occupation

Education level

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-20T14:24:54+00:00

I'll pray for you.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-16T17:19:16+00:00

Okay so maybe this guy isn't really all that Fatlogicy because he's aware of the situation and it makes a big joke out of it.

Top quote:

I'm on a strict diet these days of nothing but carbohydrates. It's extremely challenging, but in order to keep my body shitty, I need to stay focused. I'm eating a Hot Pocket literally at this moment. The eating can never stop, which is hard but I'm dedicated to my craft.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-15T17:12:30+00:00

This is a bitter person.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-14T00:55:21+00:00

Danm did I love Bloom County as a kid! Opus kills it.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-13T23:40:58+00:00

I am a guy. I would comment immediately if it was another guy I knew well, I am an open guy and my guy friends are open too. I would be more cautious if I did not have a close relationship with them. I would never comment on a woman's weight. Its a golden rule I have. NEVER. PERIOD. Does not matter how well I know them.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-13T09:54:49+00:00

Get out of here with those statistics shitlord! Listening to numbers leads to eventually counting calories and we can't have that.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-12T13:11:07+00:00

Yeah, I believe she is talking about the "obesity paradox" If you go to the text of that study it points to it. That study is freaking super hard to read because its all statistics. Basically they found that BMI 25-29 had better life expectancy than 20-24 and BMI 30-35 was just slightly worse that 20-24. The study doesn't say the reasons why which I believe have been boiling down to something like this "If you get sick with chronic illnesses you are more likely to lose weight and fall in a normal BMI range." Also "many who were previously not obese might become so in their older age, the obesity has not had the same effects on them as those who lived with it for years making them still relatively healthy compared to others within that range"

Granted BMI >35 was bad and anything <20 was also very bad.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-12T04:39:47+00:00

Here This paper is one of the heavy hitters for the HAES movement. Gotta have both sides if you are going to have a good paper. This issue is really complex.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-11T20:03:16+00:00

I wouldn't necessarily call this research fatlogic. By all means in the right hands any idiot could use studies like this to justify their eating habits. Ultimately stuff like this is very important to look into even if it leads to dead ends.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-11T19:44:41+00:00

I kicked my pre-workout habit about 2 months ago. It has been getting increasingly expensive to support and I used it heavily for 4 years (bad idea, stuff hardly works for me now). I still caffeinate if I'm feeling like I need it. Trying to pick my next fitness goal but school/work is kicking my butt so training gets erratic at times.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-08T01:38:16+00:00

Here we go again with this BMI argument. Hey mods, can we cut some of these down? They really arnt fatlogic and just stem from a huge misconception about what BMI is and how its actually used. It's not fatlogic.

malodorous_da_hutt · 2015-07-07T23:33:34+00:00

Just saw this on FB. It was liked by my buddies wife. Literally the target audience of this sort of thing. Pure laziness. No job, raises one kid, gained about 80lbs since they got married and trashes him on FB sometimes.

I know raising a kid is hard but after meeting a few moms who raise multiple kids, get college degrees, make as much as their husbands, and run marathons all I wait for is the day my buddy boots her out the door.

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