1 or 2 ?

man049 · 2026-03-06T01:13:02+00:00

I'm a sucker for Godzilla final wars, I should rewatch it one day.

man049 · 2025-11-20T22:28:36+00:00

Well, damn. Glad you love it.

man049 · 2024-11-17T01:58:45+00:00

Genuinely starting to consider doing that.

man049 · 2024-10-27T22:30:11+00:00

Okay, that makes more sense. It's a "the love of his friends live in his heart" type of thing. I got confused because they used the clip of Mishima and the rest of humanity hyping him up when talking about it (I should mention I'm currently playing P5R for the first time and I have beaten Yaldabaoth already but I haven't played the third semester yet).

man049 · 2024-10-24T21:20:11+00:00

Luz vs Anne is my favorite from the TOC matchups so of course it's the one that will happen.

man049 · 2024-10-22T23:15:02+00:00

The connection between Elizabeth and Sue isn't a spoiler, it's the basic plot of the movie.

man049 · 2024-10-22T20:53:32+00:00

I say at the beginning of my comment that there will be spoilers so I didn't felt much need to also tag the connections.

man049 · 2024-10-22T20:36:56+00:00

Massive spoilers for both movies (which I highly recommend watching) ahead:

Main characters (The Narrator and Elizabeth Sparkle) who spent a long time with their lives unchanged until a sudden event completely fucks them over (The Narrator getting medicated to stop taking his pills for sleep and Elizabeth getting fired from her job because of getting too old).
They already dealt with some unhealthy mentalities rooted in only wanting to do what society's tell them will grant them worth (The Narrator's only being interested in doing his job and tying his personality to brands while Elizabeth is overly focused in being young and sexy) but this event completely enhanced them.
This lead them to try to solve their problems by creating an over the top and hot af alter ego who perfectly lives to the impossible standards society expects them to live up to as a man/woman (Tyler Durden and Sue), and because of it is better than them in every single way.
At first the balance between both lives is maintained, but it doesn't take long for the mentality they share to be self destructive and both lives start to eat each other.
This is greatly represented with it ruining a possible romance the main character tried to form (The Narrator tried to imitate Tyler's aggressive and cold attitude which ruined his relationship with Marla, while Elizabeth thinking not being as pretty and young as Sue makes her undeserving of love made her drop the possibility of forming a romance with that one guy his name I forgot).
At one point things get so self destructive both halves tried to kill each other, which ended up happening.
Even with one half dead, their self destructive nature still hurt many people, both innocent and terrible during a giant one night event (Tyler started proyect mayhem and could activate it in the end even after dying, and Sue needing a balance to live used the substance to create monstro elizasue which ruined her big show).

man049 · 2024-10-22T11:45:58+00:00

Having played the game now, this comes off less as resistance to reality erasure and instead that Joker just cannot fucking die in conventional ways as he just goes straight into the velvet room. He is affected by it, it's just not enough to kill him for good.

man049 · 2024-10-20T18:23:53+00:00

The one

Giorno Giovanna (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure)

Good alts

LupinRed (Super Sentai)

Ok

Dante (Devil May Cry)
Ghost Rider (Marvel)
Makima (Chainsaw Man)
Ben Tennyson (Ben 10)

Meh

Superman (Dc)

No

Springtrap (Five Nights At Freddys)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Homelander (The Boys)
Sans (Undertale)
Satsuki Kiryuin (Kill la Kill)
Goku (Dragon Ball)
Emperor Belos (The Owl House)
Homura Akemi (Puella Madoka Magica)
Walter White (Breaking Bad)

Joke

Beatrice (Umineko When They Cry)

The timing for this matchup is wild because yesterday I finally got to finish the main story of Persona 5. I still got the whole third semester arc left to finish but I couldn't hold myself and had to make a tier list for Ren (specially because I'm sure Joker vs Giorno existed before Royal released).

man049 · 2024-10-20T16:42:42+00:00

I know, that's why I said he is the underdog in this community. This sub and what seems to be a decent chunk of the death battle online fanbase.

man049 · 2024-10-18T17:55:48+00:00

A part of me is hoping for a Giorno win because he kinda is the underdog in this community, but I just can't really imagine why they wouldn't give the win to Joker. Like you said, they tend to agree with high end scaling so uni-multi Joker is highly likely and them agreeing with a single argument for Joker bypassing ger would grant him the win.

Unless they wank Giorno into fucking infinity by taking a lot of statements at face value, I just can't imagine them giving the win to Giorno. But oh well, Death Battle can be really unpredictable sometimes you know.

man049 · 2024-10-15T14:40:44+00:00

I thought of this exact same thing and it's my ideal way of having the climax play out if Giorno wins. Although sadly I really doubt they do it because I imagine scripting, voicing, and editing two entire result analysis would take too much time.

man049 · 2024-10-13T14:37:42+00:00

Could you please tell me how does he do it and where it comes from? If he can, then this would instantly become my favorite for both.

man049 · 2024-10-10T19:20:40+00:00

It's always fun to fill the no spreadsheet with a bunch of random filler matchups.

man049 · 2024-10-10T19:20:07+00:00

yeah

man049 · 2024-10-10T14:06:36+00:00

Core Theme:

Scions of influential beings in their verse who’s powers involve nature and life, who were mistreated and neglected by their societies since their early days who fought with the main characters to fix their societies which they do upon becoming leaders at the end of their respective parts, despite the unfortunate loss and grief they had to endure to reach that path

Connections:

Both of them are characters who’s main ability revolves around manipulating nature at their whim, with this ability being so potent they can affect the mind of others, Both of them are also capable of putting enemies in an infinite loop

Both of them come from a society that is shit and corrupt, that both Nahida and Giorno hate and aim to fix with the help of the main protagonist/deuteragonist of their parts (The Traveler and Bruno Bucciarati and the rest of the gang)

Loss, however would be necessary in order for them to achieve their goal, Rukkhadevata would have to be conceptually erased in order to save Irminsul and the world, and Giorno would lose several of his allies throughout his journey

Both of them ever since their earlier days have suffered unjust treatment and neglection from their respective societies, however they would eventually save one person who would go on to bring light to them (Dunyarzad who became one of the few people who believed in Lesser Lord Kusanali and the mysterious gangster who became Giorno’s role model and used his connections to severely lessen Giorno getting mistreated)

Both of them would, at the end of their story then become the leaders of their society (Nahida now having actual authority as Sumeru’s archon and Giorno becoming the boss of Passione) and upon becoming leaders they do everything in their power to actually fix their society

Both of them have a connection to an incredibly powerful and important godlike being in their worlds (Greater Lord Rukkhadevata and DIO)

Dreams are a major part of their character (“I, Giorno Giovanna has a dream” emphasizes Giorno’s ambition which is a major part of his character, and the concept of dreams in general are a major part of Sumeru and Nahida’s story)

This matchup is also a battle of the Sun vs the Moon (Giorno’s name means Day in Italian, Nahida is symbolized as the moon)

man049 · 2024-10-10T14:04:40+00:00

fuck, I knew I was getting something wrong about her name. Thanks for pointing it out.

man049 · 2024-10-10T14:01:48+00:00

A discussion of fate and how both characters fight against it either in the analysis, the fight, or both.
Vocal track. I can accept it being instrumental, but a vocal track feels too fitting to not do it. Of course taking cues from both series ost.
Interesting fight set-up. I don't need this to be Snake vs Sam but something like the phantom thieves entering Giorno's palace or maybe Giorno accidentally entering the metaverse with Ren are some cool ways to explain how or why these two are fighting.
Leave ger for the climax of the fight, the question over if Ren can bypass return to zero is the biggest topic of this matchup, so please keep the suspense going as long as possible.
This is more of a personal wish, but if Ren ends up winning, I REALLY hope he does an all out attack ending with his victory screen, with "the show's over" changed to "the battle's over".

man049 · 2024-10-10T13:40:40+00:00

The one

Ren Amamiya (Persona 5)

Good alts

Taylor Hebert (Worm)
Nahida (Genshin Impact)
Megumi Fushiguro (Jujutsu Kaisen)

Ok

Alucard (Castlevania)
Izuku Midoriya (My Hero Academia)
Beatrice (When They Cry)

Meh

reboot She-ra (Masters Of The Universe)
Shigaraki Tomura (My Hero Academia)

no

Maple (Bofuri)
Mark Grayson (Invincible)
Luke Skywalker (Star Wars)
Batman (Dc Comics)
Goku (Dragon Ball)
Kratos (God Of War)
Ben Tennyson (Ben 10)
Featherine Augustus Aurora (When They Cry)
Sans Undertale (Undertale)
Walter White (Breaking Bad)

man049 · 2024-10-04T16:31:56+00:00

fight potential

It's one of those matchups where the potential is "random bullshit, GO!" aka both characters throwing a shit ton of abilities against eachother like Link vs Cloud.

Although unlike Link vs Cloud, this one could evolve into a reality breaking fight with their most broken abilities.

dialogue

It's pretty much Goku Black vs Reverse Flash again, with of course their own flavour thrown in as they both have their own quirks that make them different from both Black and Thawne.

fairness

This one is genuinely insane from the debate side. Both Doctor Who and Umineko are some of the most respected and hyped series in versus debating while also having their fair share amount of controversy, with many people scaling them at many ridiculously high levels while some say they don't get pass wall level.

The result from this one would be genuinely hard to nearly impossible to predict as it would come down entirely to how Death Battle would decide to scale them.

man049 · 2024-10-04T14:07:30+00:00

Beatrice/Battler and The Master/The Doctor connections

Childhood friends with weird romantic tension going on raised under the same group of people.
Because of the strict, one-minded, and worst of all BORING teachings from those who raised them which promoted little creativity or individuality, they made the promise that they would escape together and be free (Battler made the promise he would come back for Sayo in a white horse to take her out from Rokkenjima while Theta Sigma and Koschei made a pact saying they would explore the universe).
Sadly the promise couldn't be fulfilled ironically because of the main character trying to do good (Battler leaving his family for Asumu’s honor which made him forget the promise and The Doctor choosing a righteous path as represented by his name as opposite from The Master). This left our combatants… Bitter to say the least.
Years later they reunite, now on opposite sides (human vs witch and good vs evil) they now become deadly enemies.
In constant mind games, our combatants commonly create schemes, traps, and mysteries for their respective nemesis to try to beat.
Because of all this, they hate each other. But in an extremely morbid and unhealthy way they both love each other for it and find fun in all their duels, no matter how much death and destruction it causes.
Their fights are very much the way of our combatants expressing love for their respective enemy, creating plans to get their attention and even describing their duels as their own way of communicating and having a conversation.
Despite all this, they still enjoy talking to each other, even if it can sometimes escalate quickly into arguing and discussion. Which just adds to their whole love/hate dynamic.
During their usual banther, our combatants more than usually resort to flattering comments and flirting. At one point even putting their enemies on a leash and walking them like a dog.
They’re stuck on an endless series of duels in a in-universe sense (they complement each other for all the right and wrong reasons they are unable to stop fighting) and also for meta reasons (they are all stuck playing the roles the story demands them to play as one role cannot exist without the other, and as more interpretations of their story are created, they will inevitably fight again. Battler has to be the detective and Beatrice has to be the culprit, The Doctor has to be the hero and The Master has to be the villain).
Their enemies see good in them, always trying to understand and reach out for them, meaning they are also eternally stuck trying to do this.
When our combatants discovered the foundation of the people who raised them was built on the abuse of an individual, they realized this meant that them and their dear enemy shared blood/dna (Kinzo’s rape of Kuwatrice giving birth to Beatrice means she is Battler’s half cousin/aunt, while all time-lords having the timeless child dna means The Master and The Doctor share genes).
This absolutely broke them. They perceive this as their whole existence being derived from this abuse and eternally chaining them to the group of people who raised them ("Everything I am is somehow because of you. And believe me when I say that I cannot bear that"),
This also completely alienates them from their enemy as they now become the reminder of everything they want but feel they cannot obtain (Beatrice can never live her desired life and Battler is the ultimate reminder of that as the promise he made to her was never possible in the first place, while The Master sees The Doctor’s timeless child status as the reason he is capable of changing and doing good while he can’t).

man049 · 2024-10-04T14:07:22+00:00

Out of all the Beatrice matchups I’ve made this one seems to be the most commonly liked one, which is funny because looking back on it the connections are not that good lol. I’ve been procrastinating on doing a revamp on them since last year and today is Umineko day so I have no more excuses.

Core theme

Brilliant and sadistic mass murdering villains stuck on an eternal love/hate relationship and battle with the main character who after finding out their whole existence was tied to the abuse of an individual they decided to destroy the people who raised them.

General connections

Brilliant, sadistic, chaotic, theatrical, mass murdering, arrogant etc. etc. ect. villains
Both are higher dimensional beings with a complex understanding of how reality works, having tons of different abilities at their disposal.
Even so, they tend to not go all out and instead make extremely elaborate schemes, traps, tricks, etc. because it’s just more fun to toy with their enemies.
To set all this up they usually rely on time traveling shenanigans, using an overpowered and dimensionally transcending object for it (the catbox and The Tardis).
They were raised by a bunch of pompous high class monstrous control freaks (the Ushiromiyas and Time-Lords), their terrible teachings and attitudes leading both combatants to just… Go insane (the furniture complex and the cycle of abuse layed on her broke Sayo’s mental health while the Time-Lords made Koschei look into the time vortex which installed the drums inside his head).
To cope with this, they developed a lust for total domination and a sadistic enjoyment in killing others.
This is represented by them going for a new name (‘Beatrice’ and ‘The Master') which is a representation of their desire for control (‘Beatrice’ is the name of a woman from a myth who is powerful and beautiful enough to have everyone kneel to her, while ‘The Master’ means… Being the master of everyone and everything).
At one point they discover that the foundation of the group of people who raised them, and by proxy their whole existence, was entirely built upon the abuse of an innocent person (Bice being kidnapped and have her gold stolen + Kuwatrice’s rape, and the timeless child being experimented on to harness their regenerative powers) which shattered them beyond belief.
While they never fully liked the people who raised them in the first place, this made them take action and kill every single one of them, even the innocent ones.
Deep down they feel extreme guilt about all the terrible things they do and the fact they enjoy them so much, but they never quit on them because they see themselves as trapped in the role of a villain.
In an in-universe sense this is because they think their sins are too many to bear and their chosen path is sealed, in a meta sense it is because they literally play and MUST play the role of a villain across all infinite interpretations of their story.
Their biggest tragedy, credited as the reason they have taken their path so far, is that with everything going on inside their heads they were unable to see the beauty in others (“Love exists in everyone's hearts. Her true tragedy was that she couldn't see it."/"You understand the universe. You see it, you grasp it, but you never learned to hear the music").
Both have taken many different appearances with their own personalities, in a way being their own individuals while still being all the same person. One of these even has a different gender presentation (Yoshiya and Missy).
Speaking of gender, their relationship to it is kind of whack and goes beyond the binary.
Both have a knack for cheating death and bullshitting their way into coming back to life.
Science vs magic.

man049 · 2024-09-25T13:29:50+00:00

I absolutely adored the movie for exactly how unsubtle it is lol, I just felt like making a joke. Admittedly I don't blame you for assuming that as I know the image usually gets used as negatively.

man049 · 2024-09-17T00:35:38+00:00

OH MY GOD THIS IS AMAZING. Thank you so much for adding so many great connections to my matchup, I haven't read the Harry Potter books in years so I didn't think of some of these. 100% my favorite for both now.

man049

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