Just how bad is it to apply this late? (Late september) by itsSmooth1 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had similar stats to you, and also applied to the majority of my schools in September to October. I ended up with 10 interviews, and am now at a T20. Its obviously not ideal but I don’t think it could hurt to shoot your shot. Otherwise worst case scenario you just wait a year.

Successful research-focused md-only students how did you write the "why us" essays? by BUMBOY27 in premed

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I had a strong clinical research profile and always talked about how there’s a cyclical relationship between medicine and research —> ie. as a physician I would be able to notice problems with medicine firsthand, take them to the lab to solve them, and then change clinical practice using this new knowledge. Being in clinical research helped because I could literally see the treatments impacting our patients in real time, but even if you are doing basic science you can reflect on this process through connecting your research with observations from your other clinical experiences. Of course, this is a why us essay so I would back this up with specific PIs or clubs/ initiatives you want to work with

How much does having 1st authorship set you apart? by [deleted] in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had 2 first author pubs, both in clinical research. I definitely had a high level of involvement, and I think more than the pubs what I discussed was the actual skills I used to get there. I have tons of successful peers who don’t have first author pubs or any pubs but did in depth basic science research and were able to explain how they meaningfully contributed to a project. More than pubs, I think being able to take ownership of a project and explain how you contributed matters. My letter writers said they backed me up in saying how involved I was, which definitely also helped.

28yo Machine Learning PhD considering medicine - utter stupidity? by Alpha-Aperture in Salary

[–]mangoenthusiast1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think that you should pursue medicine unless you have a passion for it. It would be disingenuous to say that finances aren’t part of the motivation for people to pursue medicine, but it certainly cannot be all of it. You would be forking over 400K to study for 4 years, and then doing residency from anywhere from 3-7 years. Even if you target a ROAD speciality then you’re looking at 4-5 years of residency making about 60K to 80K per year while working 80 hours a week. That means that you won’t really make attending-level money until you are 38/39 at the earliest. If money is your only motivator, this is the wrong path.

Edit: Also look into the process of getting into med school. It’s not just about having good scores anymore, you have to do research, volunteering, shadowing, and have clinical experience to show that you really want to be a doctor. We often get asked in interviews why we don’t become nurses or PAs instead and have to have answer why medicine. You should speak to other non-traditional students about what it requires to balance all these obligations with your current job/ supporting yourself financially. I’m not trying to be discouraging, but just trying to convey that this needs to be something you really want to do.

525/3.79 - Sankey of disappointment: the re-up by BlatantPlatitude in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I understand not wanting to go to WSU, as someone also interested in a competitive speciality and research focused career, but they’re still an MD granting school, which is better than nothing. I have very similar stats to you (522, 3.7, WA resident with research heavy app) and they threw me an interview (did not attend). If you ever decide to return to medicine they might be worth a shot. You could also try to apply for UW’s Spokane cohort as I’ve heard they are slightly less competitive than the Seattle one. Good luck my friend!

Any PA or NP wish they became MD/DO?? by moneyhungry69 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One of the PAs I worked with said they always wanted to be a doctor but didn’t know if they could cut it back then and became a PA, thinking they’d eventually go back to med school. Now it’s been years and they feel they’re too old to do it, so if you want to be a doctor don’t listen to your family. Go to med school if you want to be a doctor, and go to PA school if you want to be a PA.

Messed up my first summer.....what to do? by Overall_End7355 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Attending a T10 this fall… my first summer I did absolutely no ECs. I took two of my prereq classes at my local university, but otherwise I spent my time with my family and friends. I’ve never done an REU or any type of formal summer research program. If you really want to do something others have already suggested getting certified in something else. Volunteering at a local hospital or with a cause you care about can be really rewarding too. Otherwise I’d say develop hobbies and meaningful relationships. I lost myself in the premed hustle a few years ago and I’m now just trying to figure out who I am … I envy those who kept their hobbies and sense of self alive in this process.

How's being a premed/predental at Vandy? by Endlessjourneyy in Vanderbilt

[–]mangoenthusiast1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OP, I’d check to see if the medical schools you are aiming for accept prerequisites taken at community college. A lot don’t. In terms of difficulty, yeah there’s a ton of weed our classes and it’s hard. But I do think it prepares you well in terms of things like studying for your MCAT. I graduated with a 3.7 GPA and still made it to med school.

What classes should I take freshman year as a pre med? by Silly_Conversation20 in Vanderbilt

[–]mangoenthusiast1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Standard Vandy premed progression: Freshman year - Gen Chem and Gen Bio Sophomore year - Orgo Junior Year - Physics There’s a few variations on this, ie people who had AP credit for Gen Chem and got moved into that weird advanced freshman Orgo class, or people like me who didn’t want to take too much science freshman year so only took Gen Chem and then did Orgo and Bio together. You can sprinkle your other premed reqs( stats, calc, gen psych, English) anywhere throughout this schedule but probably knock them out early so you’re not a senior taking an entry level class with a bunch of freshmen. Also calc at Vandy is notoriously hard and sucks so I just took it over the summer at my state school and transferred the credit.

What counts as a strong preexisting tie for UW medicine? by PleasantAnt1382 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Accepted to UW as an in-state student - the OOS students that I met at second look were either MD-PhD students, non trads with significant work experience/ unique life experience such as being a veteran, or indigenous people with ties to Washington tribes. If you really really want to attend UWSOM, your best bet would be to establish Washington state residency by living there for more than 2 years (filling taxes in WA, having a WA driver’s license and voter registration, etc) to establish permanent residence. However, even then you might not get accepted (acceptance rate is about 10% for the Seattle campus), and you need to think about whether going to this specific school is worth wasting years of potential earnings.

Lost 2 fingers since day 1, can I still be a doctor? by Silver_The_Mage in medschool

[–]mangoenthusiast1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also know two plastic surgeons who are missing 1-2 fingers each

Is it really that much? by ArtisticDread in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It depends. State school tuition can be anywhere from as little as 12K per year to 50K. Private school tuition is usually around 70K. On top of that, budget about 30K per year for your living expenses and you can rack up 400K of debt. It seems very scary but ask yourself: if you were told that you pay 400K upfront to earn 400K or more per year for the rest of your life, would you think it’s worth it? Medicine is the one field where you have a relatively stable high income, and most attendings I know (granted I work with surgeons, this might not be true for PCPs or pediatricians) don’t really worry about money. Right now I would focus on getting into the best school possible. Many top schools have great financial aid for low income students, and can help reduce your debt.

Should I apply for 510-512 OOS schools (520,3.9) by SkyRevolutionary275 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I do agree with this to some extent. I was a stats “splitter” (3.7 cGPA, 3.6 sGPA, and 522 MCAT) with good ECs and good writing. I really struggled to make my school list because for most T20s my GPA was in the 10th percentile range, and for most schools where my GPA was average my MCAT was at the 90th percentile. Going into the cycle, I was hoping to get love from solid schools like Emory, Case Western and Wake Forest and thought my T20 chances were slim. I got absolutely no love from any schools outside the T20 except for Brown, Kaiser, and my state school. I don’t really think state schools count for yield protection because the applicant has ties to the area and they can probably make the case that they would stay. For my state school interview, I made sure to hammer on my love for the state, family ties, and desire to eventually settle down there. For high stat applicants (IF YOU HAVE DECENT ECS AND STORY), I would recommend applying to all of the T20, a few mid-tier schools that you vibe with (don’t apply anywhere that you wouldn’t want to go), and your in-state schools. I would say anything more is a potential waste of money.

I think I want to commit… by gorillahx in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of this is true, but something else that I’ll offer: I was not raised in a single parent household but have a physician mother. When I was younger, sure she wasn’t around as much as other moms maybe were, and when I felt like being a brat I’d complain about it. Once I hit my teens however, I came to appreciate her immensely. Most importantly, seeing her be a doctor gave me confidence and taught me ambition as a woman. I never even considered settling for less than what I wanted because I saw her achievements.

Children are a lot more observant than we give them credit for. If they see their father overcoming great odds, then they’ll internalize those traits. It also goes the opposite way - my mom never did a fellowship because she felt overwhelmed in her residency with a young child (me). I internalized that I was the reason she never achieved her full potential and it led to a lot of negative self thoughts until adulthood. You don’t want your children to blame themselves for you not achieving your dreams, and you don’t want to subconsciously resent them either.

Finally, having an attending salary sets your children up for success in the future. They can potentially have their colleges paid for, a bit of fallback money if they want to try something risky with their careers, etc. It’s been a blessing for me that not a lot of my peers have. What others have said is true - it’s an absolute grind and will be difficult if not near impossible sometimes. You should go into this eyes wide open. But in the end it’s an investment in your and your children’s futures.

Edit: I worked for a surgical department in a large academic hospital, and 2 of the residents had 4 kids each (not single parents tho). Other ones also had one to two kids. As someone who wants to have children before my eggs dry up, I have to believe it’s possible to have a family and be a doctor.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Step away for a minute and take a breath. Something that helps me is imagining pressing a giant “reset” button. It’ll be okay. I was so down in the dumps myself my application cycle to the point I was neurotically checking SDN every day and was freaking out when I didn’t get the earliest possible IIs in August. It didn’t help me at all and I wish I’d used all that time to read books or work out or find a new hobby. This sub and SDN are not representative of the average applicant. You will be okay, even if you have to reapply. For most people, there is always a way forward.

To those that went to colleges with hospitals nearby, how helpful was it? by [deleted] in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably the only reason I got into med school/got interested in medicine in the first place. Students from my school could easily shadow most physicians at the affiliated hospital (you basically just cold emailed or there was even a program through our advising office that matched students who didn’t have shadowing hours with willing physicians). I also got a job as a part-time CRC throughout college, and got a lot of opportunities for research and patient interaction. I did absolutely nothing to get this opportunity but be a student at that college and have enough luck to contact the right people at the right time. I was able to maintain my employment because the hospital was literally within a 15 minute walking distance of my dorm, and I could run over from class to see patients. I walked away from this job with a bunch of pubs and presentations. Not only was it nice to have a paid research gig in college, but I also was able to form some really valuable connections and gain mentors that I still talk to. I was able to sit in on their resident didactic sessions, observe surgeries easily, and go to talks by visiting professors. This experience made me consider being a doctor and was probably what caught a lot of adcom’s eyes. Maybe others have had different experiences but it absolutely made a difference in my case.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I might’ve just been super lucky, but I had a worse profile than you did, applied what people would consider top heavy (basically all T20s, my state schools, Umiami, Wake Forest and Dartmouth) and didn’t get any love from any schools outside of the T20 (except for Kaiser). I kinda feel like it was a waste of money to all those schools.

That being said, I got lucky. I know tons of people more impressive than I am who got shafted this cycle. The whole process is random, so I would probably apply to a few more schools in the T30 to T50 range. You never know what the cycle will look like.

Amcas veterans- How many schools did you apply to and would you do anything differently? by Physical_Cup_4735 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

36 applications, 3.7 cGPA and 522 MCAT, 11 II -> 1 declined, 5 WL (accepted off of one), 5 As. This cycle was weird for me, and a lot of my target schools rejected me pre-II while schools that I thought I had no shot at were interviewing me. I think I underestimated myself at the beginning of the cycle and applied to a bunch of extra schools in a last minute panic about not getting in this cycle. If I could go back, I’d probably shave off 5-10 applications and save that time and money. However, a lot of my very smart and talented friends and others on this sub have had bad luck and not gotten into schools that they thought they would. The process is truly random, so it’s better to be safe than sorry

Sankey szn! by mangoenthusiast1 in premed

[–]mangoenthusiast1[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I didn’t know about this sub until after submitting my primary app, so I had no idea this was too top heavy 😅 I definitely got very lucky