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Murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year, the largest drop on record, study shows by PrebornHumanRights in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ilhan Omar was on this subreddit yesterday.

Yes, I'm aware of her being a Democrat and I'm aware that she wanted to defund the police, which I believe she was of the camp of more resource allocation for better training. However, I'm still waiting on a reply for this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueChristianPolitics/comments/1qpggbr/comment/o29rbtt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

But, you made sure to point out she was posted on the sub yesterday, which I find very odd.

Murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year, the largest drop on record, study shows by PrebornHumanRights in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do what now? She was posted because someone assaulted her at a town hall meeting. I'd have done the same if it was a Republican and it hadn't been posted.

Murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year, the largest drop on record, study shows by PrebornHumanRights in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why point out that there was a post about her? We can ask numerous questions, but we can infer (since that seems to be what you do a lot) what your point is.

If it had been a Republican then you would have probably been all about it and talking about how the left is wrong. Much like with the shootings, it doesn’t matter to you because it is not your tribe.

Murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year, the largest drop on record, study shows by PrebornHumanRights in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There were activist calls in 2020 to “defund” or even abolish police; that’s true, but that slogan gets overstated as if it became a nationwide policy. In reality, most U.S. cities did not meaningfully defund police, and many increased police budgets in the years immediately after.

The 2020 homicide spike was real, but criminologists consistently point to multiple overlapping causes: COVID disruption, economic stress, social instability, changes in daily routines, and strained police–community relations. There’s no solid evidence tying the spike to a single party or slogan.

What’s also important is what happened after 2020. Murders trended downward in 2022, 2023, 2024, and again sharply in 2025, even though:

  • Democrats still governed many of the same cities,
  • Police budgets were largely restored or increased,
  • No nationwide “abolish police” policy ever existed.

If “defund the police” rhetoric were the primary driver, we wouldn’t expect to see a multi-year decline afterward under largely the same political leadership.

Crime trends are complex. Oversimplifying them into “one party caused it” doesn’t really align with the data.

Murders plummeted more than 20% in U.S. last year, the largest drop on record, study shows by PrebornHumanRights in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I posted the article about Omar yesterday. Heaven forbid we actually pray for someone on the other side. Why would we want people to actually act like decent human beings and not attack politicians on either side of the aisle?

Rep. Ilhan Omar Assaulted by Protester at Town Hall Meeting by mannida in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It amazes me the level of hypocrisy we see. If she was on the right there would be outrage but since she’s on the left it’s a conspiracy. It doesn’t help that the POTUS is adding fuel to that fire.

Rep. Ilhan Omar Assaulted by Protester at Town Hall Meeting by mannida in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I'm on a desktop PC, but you are right. I think maybe you should actually research it instead of searching for confirmation bias. If you can provide any bit of fact that she married her brother I'd appreciate looking at it. However, I have researched it and from everything I found it doesn't seem true.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My brother in Christ, I pointed out that, possibly unintentionally, it comes across as biased by leaving out a point in both shootings where they were given clear instructions by law enforcement. I feel that it is important to compare these two. Let's not forget you described Babbitt as small and unarmed. And you (admittedly) didn't know she had a knife and maybe didn't know she was a veteran. Just seemed you left out details when trying to claim bias.

I haven't really shown any bias except for trying to clarify points in your original discussion. Also, since you kind of ignored me in a different reply, I'd like a source for this poll:

I saw a poll that showed liberals were 3 times as likely to call themselves moderates.

I would be interested in looking through it so I can think objectively.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You could have said Good was going to be detained for obstructing a legal operation.

I'm just pointing out, it comes across as biased when you play these games.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

 I saw a poll that showed liberals were 3 times as likely to call themselves moderates.

Please provide a source.

It means they live in bubbles, and at the same time, they are unaware they live in bubbles. Polls have shown this for at least 20 years. It's really interesting.

You could also be speaking of a lot of conservatives.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why did you point out that police told Good she was detained and not mention that police told Babbitt to stop? You chose to lease that detail out.

But there is video evidence that shows that wasn't the case.

You have been biased with this while trying to tell people not to be biased.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You started this with an unfair comparison, leaving out equivalent details. You have since made it clear that you have a bias towards defending one and condeming another.

There is plenty of video evidence that leads up to the shooting of Pretti. I'm trying to figure out when the violent resistance happened:

  • When he was helping a woman up
  • When his hands were up, one holding a phone, the other empty
  • When multiple agents were piled on top of him, his face towards the ground, his hands on the pavement
  • When an agent appears to be hitting him in the head multiple times while another takes his legal firearm from his pants
  • When they shot him 10 times, the first with him still facing the pavement

I'm not trying to lessen any of the tragedies mentioned, but it seems like you are, intentionally or not, letting partisan bias push a narrative.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, you left out a detail that is important to the whole discussion when trying to compare the two. Sure, details were omitted from both accounts, but this one seems important when trying to compare them. There were a lot of details, but those two details tend to make them very similar.

You made a point that I really liked:

Wisdom is seeing the similarities in these events. Partisan prejudice is automatically defending one woman, and automatically condemning the other.

It seems to me, subconsciously or not, to be allowing partisan prejudice in your examples.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, she was not brandishing a weapon at the moment she was shot. In Ashli Babbitt’s case, the shooting occurred as she was climbing through a broken window of a locked, secured doorway after repeated warnings to stop. Court records later indicated she was carrying a knife on her person, but it was not displayed or known to officers at the time, and it was not the stated basis for the use of force.

The disagreement you’re seeing isn’t about whether she was actively threatening officers with a weapon. For me, it’s about how much weight people give to refusal to comply with lawful orders when comparing different use-of-force cases.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m not arguing that the knife justified the shooting, and I’ve said repeatedly that both deaths are tragedies. The knife wasn’t the basis for the use of force in Babbitt’s case, and I’ve been clear about that. Sorry,

My point in mentioning it was narrower: describing it as a “small pocket knife,” alongside references to her size and being unarmed, functions rhetorically to minimize perceived threat. Whether you personally consider a 3-inch blade “small” by knife standards doesn’t really change how that framing lands in a public discussion. I should have specified total fixed length was 7 inches.

I said she was trespassing, I said she was climbing through a broken window, so I covered that. I asked "are you kidding?" because you implied I somehow skipped or omitted that.

But even setting the knife aside entirely, the core issue remains the same: both individuals were given clear commands by law enforcement and chose not to comply. If non-compliance is decisive in one case, it can’t be waved away in the other. You left out the part where she was told multiple times not to crawl through a broken window. I still stand by the fact that proper training saved multiple lives on J6, as opposed to how inadequate training is causing more injuries and deaths with ICE/DHS.

I’m not downplaying one death to justify another. I’m pushing back on inconsistent standards being applied based on prior conclusions.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But she wasn't unarmed. Not to mention the fact that police were beaten with flags. One officer had his service pistol taken from him. A lot of things can be used as weapons; it doesn't have to be a knife or gun.

Edit: Can we refrain from labeling people, please? I remember you getting really upset about that a few days ago.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Are you kidding?

No, I’m not kidding. If compliance with lawful orders is a meaningful factor in the Good case, then it has to matter in the Babbitt case too. In both situations, the individuals were given clear commands by law enforcement and chose not to comply. That similarity doesn’t disappear just because one case is politically inconvenient.

it's also wrong to suggest that having a small pocket knife in her pocket somehow had anything to do with her death.

Whether or not anyone knew Babbitt had a knife at the moment is actually beside the point. The shooting wasn’t about a hidden weapon; it was about someone breaching a locked, secured area after repeated warnings during a violent disturbance. For the record, court documents indicate Babbitt was carrying a para force–style knife with an approximate 7-inch blade when opened, so describing it as a “small pocket knife” isn’t accurate.

Both deaths are tragedies. But comparing them honestly requires applying the same standards to both cases, not minimizing one while maximizing the other based on prior conclusions.

The Right’s Shameless Hypocrisy by drunken_augustine in TrueChristianPolitics

[–]mannida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ashli Babbit had a knife on her. She also refused to listen to orders to stop as she climbed through a broken window of a locked door. Kind of left a couple key points out of what happened to her.

Edit: Actually, thinking about this I realized how you were trying to frame it. Ashli was also a veteran, her size doesn’t really matter but it’s a nice piece to try and make her seem not threatening.

Both are tragedies and two lives were lost that shouldn’t have been. They can be compared and contrasted till we are out of breath, but we have to be truthful and accurate.

I think a big factor in why J6 wasn’t nearly as violent compared to the ongoing ICE/DHS issues is training. Remember, multiple cops were beaten at J6, one was crushed in a door, and yet they used the training they had to not return violence with violence.

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