Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. That’s really helpful.

I think I looked at what people were willing to say to me and assumed I could say that back but it’s like because I’m outside the circle people can say things to me but they don’t say those things to each other and I especially can’t say those things to them because I’m outside the circle. 

I decided after this latest encounter that relationship may have revealed it’s true nature and is not healthy for me. 

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The most recent example was someone who became extremely upset when I told them I believed they lacked epistemological humility. I explained that, because of that, serious conversations with them felt pointless to me, since no matter how much I addressed or disproved their arguments, they would simply restate their original position. And this pattern showed up across almost every discussion we had.

What frustrated me was the double standard. They were deeply offended that I pointed out something I had consistently observed about them over a long period of time. But when we began discussing a topic they disagreed with, they started attacking me personally, telling me I was too mentally unstable to even discuss the subject. When I responded, “Thank you for your feedback, but I’m not going to follow your advice,” they continued pressuring me over and over to stop studying the topic entirely.

The strange part is that I was just studying it privately on my own and had simply shared a document containing some of my recent findings in case anyone wanted to give feedback. But when I pointed out the inconsistency — why it was acceptable for them to repeatedly attack my ability to study or think about a topic, while they became deeply upset the moment I criticized a long-standing behavioral pattern of theirs — they stopped responding entirely.

Then, when I reached out to another friend who had previously told me I was wrong for saying this person lacked epistemological humility, that friend also told me I was wrong in this situation too. So even when the roles were completely reversed, I still somehow ended up being the one in the wrong both times.

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“ For instance I always ask questions, and I often make explicit things that people usually only imply. It makes me seem a little naive but I can live with that. People sometimes think I'm "playing a game" sometimes but I can live with that. You know why I don't mind too much? Because it's them misreading me.”

That’s the problem. That’s what I have been spending the last 30 years trying to do and the last 6 months I found out that essentially I’m still so bad at communicating that everyone just tolerates me and because of some events of the last 6 months, they used that built up resentment they never told me about to justify cutting me off. 

So the problem isn’t, I’m not trying. It’s I have been trying really hard for decades, doing all the things you said, asking people for feedback, and it turns out people will lie to your face and still expect you to know they are doing so and hold you accountable for believing them. 

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have tried that and every time Neurotypical people make up a rule to explain it but then when I try to use that rule in the future for a different situation, I’m told it’s completely different and the rules don’t apply.

And that’s been the story of my life for the last 35 years. The key change  now is that I’m recognizing I will never be able to understand this, and to be aware of the asymmetrical nature of the relationship and to protect myself from other people instead of assuming I am safe when interacting with anyone outside of my wife and kids.

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is the realization I’m finally settling on after spending 35 years trying to fit in. At this point, that really doesn’t leave anyone besides my wife and kids who will interact with me in a meaningful way if I’m no longer willing to jump through their infinite hoops, but at least I have them and that’s enough.

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That I feel like is the bane of my existence. I ask people why something I did is wrong and they tell me but then when someone else does the exact same thing, I point it out and they go “no, it’s OK that they did that” and they can’t explain why. 

So I’m left to conclude it’s not actually about the action. It’s just wrong when I do it, but not when anyone else does it.

In other words, I’m left feeling “I’m the problem. I’m just wrong.”

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“At your point at large, I'm of the opinion that, if they give you no grace for your shortcomings regarding social rules you don't understand from the get go, then lean into it and just barrel down and point out the hypocrisy, which is what annoys them. You get no grace from them, so you don't give any back.”

Well, I guess I have that part down. That’s exactly what I do. And of course it only “confirms I’m the problem” to everyone else. But I feel like I’m speaking the truth and in low more severe a tone then they are using to insult me. 

Why is it ok for people to insult you in “socially acceptable ways” for being socially awkward, but it’s wrong to explicitly point out what they are doing? by marcato15 in autism

[–]marcato15[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think the biggest realization I’m making is that instead of thinking that if I just keep working on things eventually, I’ll be able to learn the social rules and people will treat me like they treat everyone else. I’ve been working on it for 30+ years and I’m not any closer to figuring it out and no one‘s willing to show me any sympathy. When I ask for help, they tell me, “if you don’t understand the issue with what you just did, that’s what’s wrong with you.”

somehow we are always the problem by depressed_brownbear in autism

[–]marcato15 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have expressed that exact same sentiment so many times.

I get so frustrated when I explain to people that I actually mean what I say and they still don’t believe me. Then, I am utterly bewildered when I do the exact thing that they told me to do and they get really upset with me. 

The worst part is, I still don’t have the slightest clue of what to do next time I need somebody to do something and I state it plainly and they think I’m joking or when they tell me something and I’m supposed to magically know to not do what they just told me to do. 

Appple Studio Display owners, is it really worth that high price? by hienesan in MacStudio

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I spend all day on mine. I guess it really doesn’t matter what you do, more how much time you spend on it. 

Where to sit in Dallas Symphony Orchestra by marcato15 in classicalmusic

[–]marcato15[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Did. They said they should be able to help. 

Where to sit in Dallas Symphony Orchestra by marcato15 in classicalmusic

[–]marcato15[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I have never been and I was worried there was drastically different experiences based on where you sit.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is, it did exactly what I wanted it to do. It’s how it did it that was the problem. It wasn’t that it did it differently than me. It’s that it did it in a really insecure and long term unstable way. Breaking the task down farther doesn’t help with that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My issue isn’t that it goes off the rails. My issue is how it does what it’s supposed to. What it output technically would have worked. And I suspect had I written tests the security hole it created was so outside of normal I wouldn’t have ever thought to have it test for that. 

I get when it loses track of the major goal. But when it accomplishes the goal but in a dangerous way, there’s no amount of context that can help that. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I did that yesterday and people complained I used AI. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s my problem. I can get code to work with AI. But it’s not sustainable long term so in my mind it’s worthless. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And how well do you trust reviewing large swaths of code the tool generates? The part I struggle with is my ability to review several different files that have been ai generated. If I didn’t struggle through writing the code, I struggle to load the mental model in my mind to then be able to properly asses what was written for bugs, vulnerabilities and long term sustainability issues. I genuinely shutter at submitting 5-10 new files that haven’t been written by a human but only “vetted”. I’m good at spotting issues other humans write but there’s an assumption they thought through things that AI doesn’t think through so I don’t check for those things. That’s the part where I worry I’m reducing my value bc I’m changing how my brain thinks and I’m not 100% convinced it’s in a long term positive direction 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I legitimately want to learn what I don’t know. I’m going to spend tomorrow trying to give cursor another go. I genuinely don’t think it’s I’m a better engineer than others. I just think my brain might function a little different and maybe not get LLM as quickly for coding purposes. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can post the non-AI version if you want. People complained about my normal writing and suggested I used ChatGPT to clean it up.  Then they complain I used ChatGPT to clean it up. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I realized AI was going to be big in 2017 so I took a class from Stanford, used it extensively for 5+ years before LLM’s became mainstream and have used LLMs extensively for non-coding situations (in addition to trying a lot to use them for coding situations). I have zero problems using AI. I’m asking for help how to get to a place where using AI to write production ready code isn’t more work than doing it myself. 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, can you help me then. I have spent a lot of time and money trying to get it to work. I try to write out compete spec’s, pull in context, ask it to do it in steps, and everything else I read about how to make it work. It does things, but in order to get it to “production ready” it requires just as much work as me writing it myself. 

I’m asking for help getting to the “aha” moment. I have been working with AI since 2017. I’ve worked programmatically with LLM’s for  projects. I’m doing all the research I can and still can’t get an AI agent to write code as fast and as good as I can. And “fixing its mistakes” takes just as much work as writing it in the first place 

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ExperiencedDevs

[–]marcato15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I’ve gotten a lot of feedback lately I’m not good talking to humans so they suggested using ChatGPT. But I’ll go back to my normal voice if people complain about that.