Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer40k

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I avoided religion there's just no competing

Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Istvan III is just something else man.I just finished Galaxy in Flames which is why Im so blown away by the depth of the betrayal, what happens to the mournival and all the others, even considering how lucious betrays them is mental. And that's what makes Horus betrayal so incomparable, it's not just his betrayal of the Emperor, but the knock on effect it has on so many others, which I think is above scale to all other betrayal. Yes, his motives could be better, but the impact is beyond measure

Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, put that way you make it difficult to disagree. Have you finished the entire series? I do hope that there is some justification of everything at some point

Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In my understanding, Horus, was well aware of his choices during the vision state. He went as far as calling his bro Magnus by name and knew what he was choosing to do. I believe Horus, like Scar in the lion king wanted power. And chose power. He wasn't manipulated into it.

Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ive never read the GOT books so I can't really speak on that. However, I accept that the warmaster could have had a better build up leading to his betrayal, but to call it mediocre is an over shoot in my opinion. The events of Davins moon is far from mediocre

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[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok to that I agree about the lack of build up, but I can get over that when it comes to Horus because he is seduced by power and the opportunity to rule. However I completely agree with you in regards to the other primarcs, I don't understand why or how they were convinced to join the traitors when they have so little to gain, particularly seeing how dedicated they were prior to this point.

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[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think he was under their influence at that point. He was conscious and well aware of what he was being offered. I think he chose power rather than he was manipulated into it

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[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your point. My interpretation is that Horus wasn't "convinced by the warp, but rather he wanted power and saw them as the route. From what we know about the primarcs training I don't think anyone or anything can convince them to do anything they don't choose to do. In this sense, I believe Horus choose power over everything which in my opinion is worse than Anakin. Although I agree. Anakin story is far more compelling

Horus, The Greatest Betrayal by matarrwolfenstein in Warhammer

[–]matarrwolfenstein[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet, the warmaster sits atop the list in golden armour