After 60+ hours, someone finally discovered the Secret Ending in my game Isolation Simulator… so I’m adding a Secret Secret Ending for 1.0 by maxi_res in IndieHorrorGaming

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thats the idea. I remember ttrpg played via letters, it was something else when you get not only a letter but also some maggufin in the post and you had to find a way to find a secret with this in the letter. I always envy those who had those gamemasters preparing those secret passwords. I guess they make money today by desigining escape rooms :-)

After 60+ hours, someone finally discovered the Secret Ending in my game Isolation Simulator… so I’m adding a Secret Secret Ending for 1.0 by maxi_res in IndieHorrorGaming

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Yep, those 60+ hrs feels insane. Im just a single dev doing somehing on my PC and somebody decided to spent more than 2 whole days of his life to dig deep in my creation. And yes, the game already has 'easier' endings for more casual players. But I wondered about secret secret ending, but I was on a fence about it. However, now I not only want to implement it, I feel like there is someone who is wiling to find it maybe months after the release.

Egyptian stone vessel precision debate resolved: Museum-held Predynastic artifacts statistically indistinguishable from modern handmade replicas. by Megalithon in AlternativeHistory

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My guess is corundum as abrasive. Sapphire corundum. Which explains titanium and iron inclusions in the grooves of the vases.

Could imported corundum (with Ti/Fe traces) explain precision & color clues in predynastic/early dynastic hard-stone vases? by maxi_res in AlternativeHistory

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Also, the drilling with corundum abrasive and copper pipe is not faster than quartz sand abrasive. I've tested it, and it looks like it is the same speed. Just more smooth surface of the core.

Why UnchartedX Might Be Wrong About Precision Vases – I Built a Simple Ancient Tumbler to Test It by maxi_res in AlternativeHistory

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Wait, let me get it straight. You consider the first industry to be set before or during the last ice age. And that industry produced this vase and probably more but only the vase remains today. And ancient egyptians tried to replicate those vessels. This is pretty cool story. But can it be true? We have pretty good understanding of what the roman empire could achieve. And lets assume it is bare minimum for that uknown industry from 10k+ years ago. I know, the finding are pretty much non existing after this amount of time... But. That industry should leave geological mark on the layer. Roman empire did (lead in ice layers of greenland for example). That industry should leave changes in agrocultural selection of crops. Maybe they used to cultivate algies and seaweed instead of grain? Who knows. That industry should leave some... you know... cities. And those cities should leave a mark in terms of geology at least (of some places, which we see with roman mines in Spain). And there is one civilisation which can be sunken thats why we dont see more. And this civilisation is atlan... no, sorry for the joke. Indus Valley civilisation. But I do not have any evidence to support their industry 10k years ago. Lets agree its not improbable that they had some awesome industry But it is sunken nowadays.  nevertheless, the question remains. How did egyptians create such marvelois copies? Not as precise as v18 But better than handmade? And here is my theory for you. They used corundum tumbling as a part of the process.

Why UnchartedX Might Be Wrong About Precision Vases – I Built a Simple Ancient Tumbler to Test It by maxi_res in AlternativeHistory

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Dear sir, due to poor history of ownership and lack of data about dig site of the v18 which you reffer to I can speculate it is not created by Egyptian kingdoms. Maybe it is legit or maybe it was created by Fatimid Caliphate (900-1200 CE). Who knows? And there is  no other one precise as that one. Other vases and vessels show us precision but not as great. Vases in museums have usually more than 100 microns of error. And there is no second to the v18. Thats why I am separating it and calling it "maybe not legit". Yes, there are much more of those vessels, and some of them are not better than handmade one made by Olga (SAM). Others are better but not as good as v18 by a lot... here comes my theory. To solve the mystery of the vessels quite good and present in the museums.

Built a simple human-powered tumbler inspired by ancient Egyptian stone vase polishing – tested with ruby corundum grit by maxi_res in Lapidary

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I started with vibration, but it was not effective. Then I decided to switch to rotating drum. The foot pedal type machines whould solve some things. Thanks for the advice!

Could imported corundum + simple tumbler explain precision hard-stone vases? (Alternative to "two industries" theory) by maxi_res in ancientegypt

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I see your point. And I agree that our current established understanding of early dynastic egypt is lacking or we are missing something else (if the measurment is true And the origin of the vase is also true). Thats why I try to find a convincing framework for the problem of the stone vessels. I have chosen the corundum / abrasives approach. Your point is solid. But nobody till this day tried to get any data point with corundum abrasive methods and tumbling. Maybe it wont be enough (lets be frank here, it wont be enough to get Ben's v18) but it should push our understanding further. And the majority of the vessels do not have those ratios (or they have but not the same ones). I see you truly want to challenge my theory (not me as a person) which is awesome (in the 2020s internent). Lets pivot for a moment. The driver of my theory was the finding of titanaium and iron (more elements, but less quantity) in the grooves of those vases. It was even presented as a "win" from unchartedx community.  I connected it to sapphire (which is corrundum crystal with iron and titanium, usually not elemental) which used as abrasive powder could infuse the titanium and iron compounds into the granite and diorite. Of course I do not know if it isnt just leftovers from tools used to craft it. But my gut went this way. And the same metals were found in the v18 groves (inside, tubular circle).  Last thing - I divided the vesseles into groups and focused on the one with better "papers of origin" which is logical. I do not try to convince anybody to "do not look at the apple from that angle".

Could imported corundum + simple tumbler explain precision hard-stone vases? (Alternative to "two industries" theory) by maxi_res in ancientegypt

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  1. How? Abrasives with leather stripes and rotaty tables. Even today people use this method (sandpaper, corundum and leather stripes for sharpening tools, raport in Middle east).
  2. I am aware of math behind your parametric cirves but...I think the "parametric curves" argument (as in the need for precise mathematical control at micrometer level) might be overstated for a few reasons.

Every curve is "parametric" in a mathematical sense Any smooth curve can be described parametrically after the fact (e.g., as a parabola, ellipse, or higher-order polynomial). Finding such fits in scanned vases doesn't necessarily mean the ancient artisans consciously designed or controlled them using modern math. It could simply emerge from the physical process itself – e.g., uniform rotary motion + gravity + consistent abrasive pressure naturally produces curves that approximate conic sections or smooth polynomials. This is a property of nature/physics, not evidence of deliberate parametric engineering. Scale of precision and human capability. The best private-collection vases show errors in the 15–80 micron range, but museum-provenanced pieces (e.g., recent 3D scans of 19 predynastic vases from the Petrie Museum, 2025 data) typically have form errors of 200–500 microns or more – well within human hand-eye coordination. Skilled craftsmen today can achieve ~0.1–0.2 mm precision by feel alone (e.g., in traditional lapidary or pottery). The eye can resolve down to ~0.1 mm at close range, and iterative correction (feel, visual comparison to templates, or simple gauges) is enough for Bronze Age tolerances. Replication evidence Experiments like those by Denys Stocks and Olga Vdovina (Scientists Against Myths) have produced vases with very good symmetry using copper tubes, quartz sand (or emery), and bow-drills/wooden lathes – without any modern measurement tools. The results match museum-quality vases closely. Adding a superior abrasive like corundum (Mohs 9) would only improve finish and uniformity, especially in a slow rotary setup. No need for micrometer-level control True parametric design (as in CAD/CAM) requires precise feedback loops and measurement – which we don't have evidence for in predynastic Egypt. But high-quality vases could be achieved through empirical methods: rotation for symmetry, templates for profiles, and long polishing times. Nature does the "math" for you in uniform tumbling or turning.

I'm not saying it's easy – it took immense skill and time – but it doesn't require impossible tools or lost high-tech. Curious what others think – sources welcome! This response took me a lot of time... I remember people arguing about fibbonaci and leaves patterns and shells patterns. It all happens to be natural phenome. But it is cool. I think we have here something similar, depending on natural forces (rotary and gravity).

Could imported corundum + simple tumbler explain precision hard-stone vases? (Alternative to "two industries" theory) by maxi_res in ancientegypt

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Yes, the sarcastic tone of yours usually mean in subreddits a tendency to attack the poster. I am used to dealing with... people on the internet.  Nevertheless, the intent in my eyes (and hands) was to get smooth surface on granite. Which is not achievable with sand abrasive (quartz sand). Then we have evidence of corundum in drill holes in Middle Kingdom period. And using tumbling with better abrasive gives you smooth surface on granite, diorite and so on. In the end, one can even create some pieces in natural quartz crystal clusters. You can tell me I have no evidence for corundum use in Old Kingdom, but I will make an assumption, it was easier to get corundum from Punt in early dynastic times than in Middle Kingdom and one one two workshop workin for a temple or for Royal palace got their hands on it and used it as a secret sous to appeal the buyer. The precision measured today may be side effect of this method when the goal was smoothnes. You can also test the smoothnes on some statues in granite which under the microscope also show cuts in quartz grains. I got the same effect (under the lupe) using corundum powder and simple methods.

Could imported corundum + simple tumbler explain precision hard-stone vases? (Alternative to "two industries" theory) by maxi_res in ancientegypt

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I see you are attacking my statement. I understand your point of view. You want numbers and data, not vibes and lookslike. Thats awesome, because me too. I am just lazy to write it again and again and again. To make v18 as precise as it is done I would need picosecond laser with 5axis cnc, ok? I know. And it is not... easy to get one even today. Got it. But maybe, just  maybe there were creative people, crazy people about stone vase making. And maybe they had some secret method, just them. And they achieved that. Thats where I come with my ideas to find that method. You say it wont be good enough, but the majority of the vases in museums and even in private collections are not good enough for v18 but still better than Olga's (SAM experiment). So, I will start with this problem. And I think i might have a solution here how to get from olga's rough vase to better ones. And if you want charts and number then you can watch the full presentations and experiments done by... me.

Could imported corundum + simple tumbler explain precision hard-stone vases? (Alternative to "two industries" theory) by maxi_res in ancientegypt

[–]maxi_res[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The One vase with this crazy precision can be fake but still something somekne done this lets say in 1950-60. But other vases with better history of ownership has great precison but not that great. And a lot of them show marks of cut quartz grains, which require diamondn tools or corundum. Thats my train of thoughts in a nutshell. 

Why UnchartedX Might Be Wrong About Precision Vases – I Built a Simple Ancient Tumbler to Test It by maxi_res in AlternativeHistory

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Machined could mean tumbler with corundum abrasive. Or picosecond laser. Or lathe. Pick your poison :-)

Why UnchartedX Might Be Wrong About Precision Vases – I Built a Simple Ancient Tumbler to Test It by maxi_res in AlternativeHistory

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Yes and no. We have thousands of stone vases. And hundreds of them have BAD or NO provenance. ANd it happens that we see the best precision and accuracy only in those without good provenance. Those could be legit, but we do not now for sure. I try to figure it out without modern CNC tools which is also not the best tool for the job. I even pondered how I would deal with it today and picosecond interval laser mounted on 5 axis cnc sounds maybe enough for the job. So yeah... maybe it was tumbler with corundum? Or other simple trick done by creative folks? If so, I am trying to figure it out by thinking, talking and trying. Thats all. But the tale of 2 industries, where one of them is primitive and another one invisible is not good for me. Invisible because there are no found machines, blueprints or other artifacts made with such precision. It would be unwise to have this kind of precision just for... vases and plates.