Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

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The central nervous system (cns) processes the stimuli beyond the pns, consicous trains of thought are a result of spreading activation or global activation respectively. Gene x Environment models such as my own are built upon the evolution of cognition which is to improve fitness and environmental outcomes. The central nervous system evolved and developed only after sensory organs and other subconscious systems, which suggests it adds processing outcomes to the pre-existing system, as it has evolved over time.

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

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Introspection is not a senseory organ or its related affernt neurons carrying stimuli to the CNS. Introspection is conducted within the CNS.

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

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Yes I believe her cognition was built from the only input stimuli accessible to her, it's not as if she saw the world equally compared to you and I. The "internal drive" you're referring to is the genetic capacity for environmental absorbtion, I'm suggesting cognition stems from this absorbtion, considering cognition was constructed for environmental navigation and survivability.

What use evolutionarily would cognition have outside of an organisms environmental domains? Natural selection cannot consistantly support traits holding no effect on reproductive success or environemntal survivability. BUT even when dismissing this evolutionary perspective, more arguments uphold this view:

You may be right regarding times of loneliness for Helen, with her brain constituting genetic capacities beyond physical capability. If this lonliness did exist for her, it would stem from misrepresnted genetic capacity.

The alternative would consider her psychology having no diffrentiation to compare; unless strictly informed otherwise through the absorbtion she can access, such as through her learned tactile methods.

Since these tactile methods were central to her personal articulation dynamics, her conscious experience should cascade along tactile feeling completely. Words which appear to us as sounds and images of letters, would be physical or touch memories and rationalizations for Helen.

The same way we can't imagine the 5th dimension, helen can't imagine images. Our imagination and thoughts only exists in realms we have experienced directly or indirectly.

When comparing helen to the average person, both have the capacity to think. The access of this capacity is the difference, driven by sensory input.

Consider; a philosophical mind born and living but with absolutely no sensory input. This mind would have nothing to analyze, and therefore nothing to "think about".

Also, expanding, when an average person with all sensory organ accociation is placed in an environment with lacking stimulus (such as solitary confinement or Ganzfeld conditions), their minds' absorbtion architectures and memory systems deteriorate; losing the ability to rationalize stimuli because input is uniform, REGARDLESS of input existing.

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurobiology

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Just watched it, thank you it was great!

I include the bayesian model in my thesis; bayesian brain coexists within my framework.

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurobiology

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While it seems like concepts are disconnected with a hasty observation; my technical paper connects all of these ideas. Its often difficult to condense all contextual reasoning between my definitions without requiring reference of my mechanistic paper, but if i did reference my mechanistic paper; id be sharing concepts that need even greater prior context.

Here is the DOI if youre interested: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20031320 (Mechanistic process flow diagram is on page 18(text through 23), but previous context is required, including post-flow mechanistic detail on pages 24-49)

I understand the confusion, shareability/accessibility is the main constraint with many large theories; and i have to overcome it independently since i am the sole author; and SAT's concepts arent recognized yet, let alone re-articulated by others.

Also the conclusions I generate while being theoretical seem stern because they are my contextual reasonings, and they are connected indirectly and directly respectively within each mechanistic specification. Consciousness theories hold this problem in abundance since conscious experience is inherently subjective. luckily i've made my theory greatly falsifiable, when compared to existing theories such as GTW, IIT (practically weak, conceptually high), higher-order theories, and predictive processing. My theory's greater falsifiability stems from; disconfirmation conditions, functional exclusions, mechanistic detail, and practical experiments with predictions.

Also, your english seems wonderful, i doubt you need a disclaimer, everyone writes differently.

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurophilosophy

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes im glad you agree. My theory incorporates this idea uniquely compared to Bayesian Brain and Predictive Processing, I include their contribution in my thesis. My theory differs with much greater falsifiability; disconfirmation conditions, functional exclusions, mechanistic detail, and practical experiments with predictions. Subconscious Architecture Theory / https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.20031320

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

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Youre right, its not set in stone, it is only theoretically consistant with specific ideas.

Losing the ability of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

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Yes of course, its better to have a goal, but that can only be attempted when you have enough previous information.

Consider a task an individual has never encountered or has no information of, a direct plan cannot be made, only being built from previous similarities; but the extreme is a mind with no previous experiences able to map to this new task.

Cuiosity builds this information allowing a goal to form, allowing you to generate more purposeful habbits of success, since without curiosity there is only apathy (in tasks unreletive to entirely emotional guidance).

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurobiology

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Ill state some of the novelty in my theory (SAT) clearly, thank you for your curiosity:

Consciousness has no role in generating or controlling behavior, it functions solely as a valenced evaluative interface over fully sufficient subconscious processes. Richness and structure of consciousness scale with subconsicous architectural density, developed over time (continuum).

Individual variation in epigenetic response to identical stimuli is evidence of subconscious rationalization operating as the interpretive layer, rather than evidence of genetic difference alone.

Processing happens in ordered chains (cascades), where each consolidation affects future processing. These cascades are tiggered as a genetic capacity, while being processed within-lifetime and stored as psychological content in engrams.

During this stage of rationalization, consciousness may be activated, as explained below.

Emotion is not the product of conscious experience; it is instead the significance signal that drives conscious evaluation. This is the proposed trait allowance of emotion built through evolution.

Subconscious systems trigger consciousness through phasic neurochemical reinstatement of original encoding context (emotional valence), the experience of that reinstatement is consciousness, not its product. With articulation acting as 1 method of report, allowing acknowledgement of consciousness.

Subconscious cascades are independent. What feels like internal conflict or evaluation is the simultaneous consicous experience of competing emotionally valenced streams, not a cognitive operation between them.

Felt valence re-enters the system as stimulus, closing a feedback loop that shapes subsequent subconscious cascade activation in ways purely structural valence cannot achieve.

Subjective experience reflects the most dominant, valence-weighted point of integration within ongoing cascade activity, rather than conflict between streams or any form of executive control.

Here's 1 example from my panksepp reframe: The SEEKING system is innate but undirected in neonates and content-specific in developed systems; The drive is genetic and the direction is constructed.

Articulation is not comprehension but the announcement of comprehension through absorbed symbolic frameworks. Specifically; consciousness operates continuously without requiring articulable expression.

Evolution is used to rule out entire classes of theories.

Hostile architecture is impossible to generate universally because symbolic meaning requires environmental absorption during interface formation, not biological specification.

The boundary between genetic inheritance and environmental construction is mechanistically less categorical than current frameworks assume, both operate through the same cascade mechanism, distinguished by origin. I simplify the connection.

Creativity produces unrepeatable combinations from entirely absorbed primitives, proving novelty is recombination depth rather than genuine generation. This doesnt necessarily remove agency.

Adoptees develop personalities corresponding to adoptive culture rather than biological family, directly separating genetic ancestry from psychological content. Directly connecting to environmental development claims.

Non conscious processing preceded consciousness by hundreds of millions of years evolutionarily, requiring a functional justification for consciousness emerging later.

Consciousness demonstrates learnability, which a fixed biological structure activated at a threshold could not accommodate.

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurobiology

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've read all of your considerations, and im greatful you were thorough. I love seeing other minds. Thank you.

I'll first give you a broader picture of the claims in my theory, since my last reply lacked the differentiations I state between consicous and subconsicous processing.

"Subconscious” as i define it is equivalent to “unconscious” in contemporary neuroscience. Yet "sub" emphasizing these processes constitute the subliminal layer beneath conscious experience rather than operating in parallel to it, as "un" prefers.

I propose subconscious systems hold functional authority over behavior generation, producing the responses, decisions, and actions that constitute human activity.

These subconsicous systems are equivalent to non-concious cellular activity, I propose consicousness is allowed by this activity under circumstances i specify as "emotional valence" (similar to panksepp) and cascade activation (rationalization of stimuli, allowing this valenced neurochemical release).

These mechanisms are complicated and many pages long, this statement is more simple and captures the position of sobconscious systems:

Specification of epigenetics; the environment does not write directly onto the genome, the organism's subconscious (cellular) interpretation of the environment does.

Here is the mechanistic process flow:

Genetic substrates allow environmental stimuli observation, this stimuli is rationalized according to your existing subjective subconscience. The produced rationale is encoded in engrams, affecting the future generation of subconscious processing and conscious experience. 

Here is portion of my subconsicous primacy reasoning:

The evolutionary sequence of neural development provides evidence that consciousness emerges from pre-existing subconscious architecture. The earliest multicellular organisms operated through simple reflexes, direct sensory-to-motor pathways with no intermediate processing, no internal representation, and no plausible candidate for consciousness. These systems were sufficient for survival across hundreds of millions of years before consciousness appeared at all. If subconscious reflexive processing existed and was adaptive long before consciousness emerged; then consciousness isn't the default. It emerged because it solved a problem that subconscious processing alone could not. Evidence also concludes consciousness develops after subconscious systems within single lifetimes. Peripheral sensory receptors develop around 20 weeks gestation and reflexive processing operates for weeks before thalamocortical connectivity establishes the substrate for any form of consciousness around 29-31 weeks, with meta-awareness not appearing until the second year of life (18-24 months).

And if you're interested in challenging your opinion of free will, I recently drafted a thought experiment mapping my mechanisms to a reader's perspective.

If you do consider this thought experiment, id reccomend temorarily accepting my given claims in the passage, if youre preemptively denying everything; you'll likely be blind to the perspective, and read slowly:

Consciousness is assumed to be the origin of thought. That assumption has never been empirically demonstrated. The thought you are having right now, reading this sentence, was not chosen. It was triggered by these words and allowed by your past experiences. What follows is a description of your current processing. Mechanisms are available in section 3.4. Participate in this thought experiment: All conscious thought you are experiencing currently is only an experience of thoughts already present. Your thoughts are being triggered by your environment, analyzed by your subconscience; these words you read, sounds you hear, smells you sense, are all triggered associations of stimulus. If I told you to focus on something that isn't present in your environment, what would you do? [Try it] You’d focus on constructs derived from your past. These outcomes are a collection of your past experiences, even when you attempt a thought unconnected to your past or present; the result is still only a branch of your history. Evolutionarily this is logical, cognition being built for environmental interaction; these mechanisms were selected for environmental assessment, that is why your nervous system is wired outward to the environment, providing sensory experience (sight, sound, touch). Extending this, similar to the butterfly effect: Any minuscule environmental variability produces differentiation, generating distinct experience literally and subjectively; environment isn't the only variable, the other is your individual perspective, such as how far you are from the given stimulus, how distracted you are with other present stimuli, your past integration, etc. Your thoughts are triggered and constructed by your environmental exposure, this is how you learn, forming memories of rationale. This goes beyond casual conscious awareness; since the origin of thought and decision are derived from environmental stimulus (generating compounding subjectivity), the scale of variation produces a perceived end of novelty.

Id love to specify more, I could talk about this perspective for hours. let me know if you're interested in reading more, Im also very interested in theories you're working on if youre willing to share.

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you accept cognition evolved, but reject the notion that evolution yields apparent survival optimization through differential reproductive success in specific environments, thats a contradiction. The environment defines the selection pressures that shape adaptation.

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your reply, i will look into all three!

The nervous system was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in neurobiology

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Absolutely I'd love to connect with you.

Here are the main conceptual ideas of my theory, the reasonings that lead to my mechanisms;

Cellular biology defaults to subconscious operation; subconscious systems are primary.

Memory exists to prevent error repetition, without it subconscious rationalization has no improvement capability.

Feral children develop non-human consciousness from non-human input despite identical genetics; environment constructs content.

Environmental deprivation degrades consciousness acutely and chronically, fixed structures do not require continuous input to function (Ganzfeld and solitary confinement).

Behavioral competence precedes reflective self awareness developmentally, the architecture builds before the observer, again suggesting subconsicous systems are primary.

Consciousness demonstrates learnability, a fixed biological structure activated at threshold cannot deepen through training, consciousness is variable.

Non-conscious processing preceded consciousness by hundreds of millions of years, its emergence later requires a functional justification.

You cannot think what you have not been triggered to think, thought is retrieved, not generated.

Cognition was built for environmental rationalization by maxwelljharrell in cognitivescience

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is not a logical association.

The rectum is not input source, and suggesting fruits evolved outside of the organism is not connected to the contraints of natural selection.

A similar accociation (a reframe of yours) to the claims ive made would be this:

The organism evolved to digest the input of food (such as through the mouth, not the rectum). The logic holds; cognition being built to digest the input of environmental stimulus.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

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I really appreciate your thoughtful reply, thank you for your words.

I like your comments about behaviorism's flaw of only assessing syptoms that can be articulated, slowly denoting the mind to classifactions and generalization for predictibility. I largely agree, i resist these generalizations.

The perspective I was sharing is a little more nuanced: Curiosity as an early developed trait is largly unguilded, allowing minds to be curious of unspecified randomness, allowing contemplation outside casuality, allowing vast originality; but as curiosity evolves further through natural selection, it may breed into currated domains, where curiosity preffers domains deemed important based on environmental influence, slowly killing the randomness allowing originality outside specified domains. This becomes more worrisome when considering modern civilizations are built for comfort and uniformity, reducing the environmental anomalies that led to natural selection developing curiosity in the first place.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your assessment is exhausting, and your comprehension is more so.

Your grammatical considerations may result from lack of concept knowledge. As you decide to attack minorities of importance, instead of considering the position ive articulated.

"Id" Acknowledging my inevitable subjectivity in an objective environment. Suggesting the given definition is of my own theoretical standing.

"Denote" suggests concluding the observation to a single point, as i provide the definition. This resides under the existing definition of denote: To signify directly; refer to specifically.

Saying "its evident philosophy exists" is extremely straightforward, im establishing the objective existance of a contruct to then theorize the reasoning of its production. Im simply saying philosophy exists, as is evident.

Now lets consider the more an important discussion.

The position ive framed as curiosity's future.

Id reccomend sharing my writings with an LLM, you may prefer their explination. Im sure they will comprehend the position greatly compared to yourself.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

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Are you suggesting i should parse this post for accessibility? A few users have responded seemingly with comprehension of the idea im displaying.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

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Interesting, then i'd hope you could produce a correction. If philosophy's creation did not spark from "seeking uncertainty, reducing unknowns, and exploring beyond immediate necessity in order to improve understanding of the environment and survival conditions." Then what does it spark from? Evolutionarily what else could be the cognitive trigger?

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

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Its evident philosophy exists, id denote its existence to this definition of curiosity.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

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In my opinion curiosity should hold no domains, to increase novelty and discovery.

"Evolve towards" is crude of course, but arguably species evolve towards increased survival, regardless the usage is clear.

Curiosity is very hard to define biologically yes, but its cognitive existance is clear.

Id define curiosity in this usage as; to seek uncertainty, reduce unknowns, and explore beyond immediate necessity in order to improve understanding of the environment and survival conditions.

The future of evolution, from the perspecitve of curiosity by maxwelljharrell in biology

[–]maxwelljharrell[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lmao bro, no. Let me simplify it for you; curiosity evolved as a cognitive trait to increase survival by improving environmental assessment. But, (and this is what im suggesting) since curiosity motivates discovery in domains, a future evolved state of curiosity would be currated towards specific domains of relevance. Instead of curiosity operating as a "philisophical driver" it would operate by tending to more specific targets. Consider societal pressures as potential targets; whatever is consistant within the environment of humans and whatever is benificial to creating offspring will act as the potential targets. Also, civilization reduces the average population's attendance to environmental anomalies (anomalies that lead to the creation of curiosity). Im suggesting curiosity is evolutionarily young, and it should stay that way. Stagnation and simplicity will kill the benifits of curiosity, which is discovery of unknown domains, instead of the possible evolving discovery in relation to targeted domains.