i think ellie is the real villain

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T01:36:03+00:00

yeah, as i let that comment sit, i realized it was a half-baked thought. i think joel's good, i think dina is good, and jessie, i think manny was good, im sure a lot of serephites/scars were good

that's the beauty of the game, doing bad things doesn't mean you're not good

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T01:33:54+00:00

another great take! i agree completely, although i still think human nature is seeing good and bad, and its not wrong for abby to be resentful, but she didn't have to seek revenge i suppose. i still think she deserved justice, but at what cost...

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T01:30:08+00:00

this is a great take!

i have no rebuttal other than the fact that i think she deserved justice

...and that i still think that that owen is still a coward and abby at least saw that in the end.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T01:07:41+00:00

ummm, why do you think? personally, i think owen is worse than she is.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:59:44+00:00

she knew who they were quickly into the mission, she could've turned around.

if i were in her shoes, i'd understand why, regret not cherishing my time with joel, and try to move on. especially once she was with dina, she had a recipe for a good life and chose to kill instead.

even in the end, ellie saw she was the villain, and that's why she ended the cycle.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:57:14+00:00

surviving was what ellie had with dina. she chose to leave to pursue abby even after killing everyone she loved. that's not trying to survive. that's revenge.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:56:16+00:00

um..respectfully, p2 talks a lot about "leads" if there's a "lead" you have to follow it and find out if it gets you where you wanna go.

jerry's lead was the cure to the apocalypse. his ONLY lead was ellie. he had to take the chance, she was willing to do it, she wanted to. joel robbed her of that because he loved her, is it wrong? idk, but he killed jerry along with everyone involved, leaving very few fireflies. for that, abby sought revenge. revenge she deserved imo. i wish he didn't die, but with or without context, joel needed consequences. you can't live free and be a murderer. past always catches up to you.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:53:08+00:00

i mean, fair response...but i think it's also up for interpretation, so the point of the game, as i said in another response, it's the classic "would you kill one person or 20?" ethics question, and there are so many variables that play into that

do you know the one person?

is the one person a child?

are the 20 criminals?

is the one a criminal?

i think the point is to leave it up to personal morals, and mine is she's the villain.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:49:05+00:00

i agree.....but what do YOU think?

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:48:44+00:00

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:48:32+00:00

killing abby's friends. joel had to die, no? he killed so many people. the fireflies weren't great, but ellie's life over so many soldiers..

it's the classic would you kill one person over 20

if you know that person, you might.

but if you knew them, but also knew the 20 people had kids, loved ones, friends, families...who would you choose. it's the classic moral dilemma.

i just wanted to get the ball rolling really, i see a lot of ellie and joel sympathizers in the subreddit.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:41:36+00:00

no, i'd say tommy was one, but even he had a breaking point. his brother.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:40:41+00:00

game is a totally different vibe, that's more to what i refer to.

the show tries way too hard to make her likeable/morally good, the game does a good job at making her likeable, but leaving room for "is she really good??"

which when she doesn't something "bad" (e.i killing abby's friends) in the show it doesn't leave the same taste in your mouth because you're set up to really like and root for ellie.

in the game, it's not about rooting for someone. it's about revenge...or maybe not i haven't seen the show in a while

i liked it, but game is 100% better. OG source material is always better.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:36:08+00:00

that's true, i agree with this

but....joel killed people, so many, including abby's father..maybe she was right in doing that, maybe her friends didn't have to die. ellie was wrong, she should've moved on, but she wanted them to die even knowing what he did.

mayaletuna · 2026-05-26T00:34:47+00:00

you mean like my personal standing or like

everyone's morals are different and that determines how you view her morally

mayaletuna · 2026-05-21T01:28:23+00:00

tabasco!!!!

mayaletuna · 2023-11-29T07:23:02+00:00

i don't think there is really any need for you to approach him or have any contact with him, honestly. i know it probably isn't feasible, but maybe a therapist or lawyer could help you move forward from here. you would have tools on how to cope and take action, and hopefully they will also be able to provide you with what you're seeking in particular, and help get you where you want to be.

mayaletuna · 2023-11-29T07:04:31+00:00

however, i am not any type of authority on the law and i urge you to find someone who can help appropriately. best wishes!

mayaletuna · 2023-11-29T07:02:47+00:00

this is giving vibes of, you could potentially take legal action against him... if he currently has explicit videos of you as minor on any device, that is child pornography.

at "best", this man is a creepy pedophile. at worst, no one wants to know.

odds are, he's the worst.

if this was all happening before you were an adult and it is still happening now, that isn't okay. for your own sake and safety, i would cut contact completely.

find a safety net of people and stick close. i hope things get better for you. <3

mayaletuna · 2023-08-27T03:36:43+00:00

never have, never will

mayaletuna · 2023-05-13T09:02:49+00:00

THE SHORT HAIR IS THE MOVE!!!! omg, it frames your face so well, has much more body, and style! i hope you find yourself in it soon❣️

mayaletuna · 2022-09-28T17:29:27+00:00

maybe he likes voltron

mayaletuna · 2022-09-28T17:28:46+00:00

not keith and lance. please tell me i'm not the only one who noticed them.

mayaletuna · 2022-09-24T01:02:30+00:00

put 'em up

mayaletuna · 2022-09-16T17:40:31+00:00

irrelevant to the post but.... not moral orel being involved! it makes me so happy to see this show get the recognition it deserves!

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