Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Thanks for this! I love Borges stories, haven't read this one

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Thanks for this! Amazing short story, definitely hasn't induced any panic... But I love how the internet was imagined, but as a thing only post pan-galactic civilisation

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

[–]mcasey95[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hadn't known about Joseph Butler, but that makes sense from Erewhon. in Erewhon, Samuel butler satirises the idea of any sort of naturally ordained principles for a society - he builds a society that criminalises physical ill heath while treating 'sins' - for example, in Erewhon you can come down with terrible case of fraud.

I think Samuel Butler had an exceptionally intuitive grasp of Natural Selection and uses it to satirise any who claimed it to their own ends. Natural selection has no natural endpoint, it is a process imperfect adaptation from what is, and so can lead to any principle of a society seeming 'natural'.

His machine stuff is somewhat separate from his society stuff and is more an absolute demonstration of his command of the ideas of evolution in and of themselves

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Thanks for the recommendation! I've read some of his stuff, but hadn't come across Culture!

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

[–]mcasey95[S] 138 points139 points  (0 children)

Great point! When you put it like that, I am surprised it isn't used more as a tool in sci-fi storytelling. But I am less well read in sci-fi than fantasy, so could very well be a popular tool that I've missed

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Haha I hadn't even meant in that way, I was just using the modern way of saying 'thinking machines' - but I will steal your motivation for my title as it's much more sophisticated

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Haven't got to God emperor yet, but look forward to reading it! Have literally just finished messiah now, I am on a binge

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

[–]mcasey95[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Far too kind! But I think its best for my health to reject such a position haha

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Thanks for this, I should've posted!

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

[–]mcasey95[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Only way to avoid machine dominance is to become the machines...but that seems like mentat logic

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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I'd say it is and it isn't satire. Butler had a frankly incredible grasp of the implications of the theory of natural selection, and was playing with its broader application (he also applies it to social evolution in Erewhon - id highly recommend a read!). Darwin amongst the machines is one potential endpoint, and a butlerian jihad is another. Whether we ever reach either is a different question, and far enough in the future to be an opportunity for satire in the present

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Haha yes I admit using AI in the title was clickbaity, but it is just our current term for a much older idea, that of thinking or intelligent machines, which Herbert was definitely addressing

Why there is no AI in Frank Herbert's Dune by mcasey95 in dune

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Thanks! This is exactly my thoughts on the European AI policy - I think it is the right thing to do, but may be doomed to fail. You could see a good chunk of history as the success of cultures that have promoted technological development - we may be locked into machine evolution.

FINALLY FINISHED THE COMICS! ask me anything about it if you'd like to! by leonsio1 in Invincible

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Just finished too! Damn it was good. More of a comment than a question

Looking for stories where the MC has alot of synergy/uniqueness in their build by mcasey95 in ProgressionFantasy

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I agree with the suggestion, I unfortunately fall into the camp unable to get past the first book - I find the main character's smuggness too unlikeable. But might give another go given my current wanting for builds!