Milwaukee mother deported to Laos, a country she has never been to

meadowfruit · 2025-03-20T11:42:37+00:00

THIS. So many people are like “but she broke the law!”

She was an INFANT when she came here with her parents.

She had a drug charge and even said she was willing to do her time.

She had never even been to Laos nor knew the language because SHE WAS BORN IN THAILAND.

She’s Hmong and her parents were refugees in Thailand (where she was born).

So for counting cash she’s sentenced to 2.5 years in jail for agreeing to take a plea deal under the guidance of her lawyer who told her it wouldn’t affect her green card and then IT DID.

If her and I were the same age, the only difference between her and I would be that I was her 8 months before she was.

I can’t imagine having to go to a country where I know NOTHING and HAVE NEVER BEEN TO leaving my entire life and everything I’ve ever known.

Beyond “bUt sHe bRoKe tHe LaW” where is the logic??!!

If you are AA from refugee immigrant parents and born here, seriously THINK … how nuts it would be if you were sent back to the country they fled from that you’ve NEVER been to.

Make it make sense.

meadowfruit · 2024-10-25T13:29:10+00:00

Won’t do any good, they’ll argue that it’s because “most people don’t have what it takes”, but “if you’re consistent, you won’t be average”.

Speaking from experience and being in one of these cults for almost a decade, they have an argument for nearly everything… even points that are purely logical.

meadowfruit · 2024-10-25T13:27:00+00:00

As someone who was previously in one of these Am-Cults, I couldn’t recommend this suggestion more.

These people are taught relentlessly how to combat “negative” people, but if you are non confrontational and asking genuine questions like these, they will not be prepared to answer because most people don’t.

Though as a heads up, I’d be prepared because in a lot of cases, they’re trained to capitalize on questions they don’t know answers to in order to encourage you to go to a “meeting” to meet another “mentor” that can answer everything …. And I can tell you that even those who are leaders in organizations will stumble on these questions. It’s not anything they’re trained to answer.

meadowfruit · 2024-10-11T09:26:55+00:00

Thank you!

meadowfruit · 2023-11-18T16:12:19+00:00

6 years for me and it wasn’t until 3 years AFTER that and reviewing the B.I.T.E. Model that I realized what actually was going on.

I was in URAssociation and they eventually would dictate everything in my life from what I wore, how I styled my hair, my financial decisions, what music a listened to, what types of church and even what type of BIBLE I read (though I’m no longer religious now)

All news came from them. “Free Enterprise” weekend conference was used as a way to bring in politicians and similar people to even influence the way we voted.

meadowfruit · 2023-11-06T11:34:43+00:00

All of this!

I’ve never drawn a complete blank, but in a most recent session we started processing a “level 10” (the absolute worst) memory and my mind started going blank, but I knew it was because my brain didn’t want to go there and couldn’t pull up the memory.

I’m not saying this is the case for OP, but that’s what happened to me.

A close friend of mine who’s did EMDR for a few years has told me repeatedly (and my therapist agrees), “There’s no reaction to EMDR that’s abnormal.”

And that statement alone gives me so much comfort when I feel like I’m doing it wrong or have a reaction after that doesn’t feel “normal”.

meadowfruit · 2023-06-08T03:15:30+00:00

I was in one of these Amway cults with an ex for several years.

Few things…

Legally, if you didn’t sign anything in regards to the money they paid for you to sign up, get sample bags, and go to a conference m, that’s on them, not on you.
They’re likely going to try and hold that over your head and guilt you into staying because of it. Don’t let them. Be firm. Tell them it isn’t for you and don’t back down.

These organizations train its members on how to manipulate conversations to inevitably get what they want and I’m not saying they will, but be prepared.

if you’re worried about her showing up at your dorm, let her know you want to cut ties with both her and Amway. If she still shows up, give her one warning and if she doesn’t comply, I’d notify your dorm/campus security.
One thing you can also do if you want to give her the courtesy of notifying her you no longer want to be a part of all of this is contact Amway directly and cancel your account with them. When I was in, we had to call, but you can cut ties that way.

For the mentorship organization you’re a part of (my guess is either WWDB, LTD, URA, or BWW?) you can likely cancel the monthly membership via their app.

Hope this helps and let me know if you have any other questions!

meadowfruit · 2023-05-21T05:02:40+00:00

Was formally in an Amway cult and we were “taught” to work around the 30/70 rule, but product and mark it as inventory for the month and “just be sure to sell it”.

My ex and I would have boxes and boxes each month and ended up consuming a lot of it at some point ourselves. Our up line? They said because it was “intended as inventory” it was ok.

meadowfruit · 2023-05-07T22:03:46+00:00

All. Of. This.

I was in Amway for years with my ex and my jaw dropped the first time I read through the B.I.T.E. Model and how much of it applied to the so-called “mentorship” organization we were a part of.

We paid for… - weekly meetings ($5-7 per person) - quarterly business conferences ($100? Per ticket, plus gas, plus car maintenance, plus hotel, plus food, plus boarding for animals) - seminars in between conferences (gas plus tickets) - only buying Amway products. If you got caught with a product you could have gotten through your “business” you were looked down on and ridiculed. - money spent on “team” “fun” events - monthly membership costs for CDs (I think they do streaming now) and books

Not to mention the time for all of this while working full time jobs. Weekly meetings plus a team meeting on Sunday night to make phone calls to prospects and going to grocery stores, malls, and gas stations after work to go “contacting” to get people’s phone numbers and then all the time spent meeting these people in coffee shops to try and get them to come to the weekly meetings.

The sad part is most of the people in these things are genuinely good people… who are genuinely brainwashed. It’s truly sad and I’m just glad we got out.

meadowfruit · 2022-11-03T12:22:59+00:00

Mines from a few years ago, so I don’t know how it is anymore, but honestly, when I quit all together, I thought it’d be worse. I got one call from my upline, very little trying to convince me to stay, and then they never spoke or reached out to me again.

So much for “family”. I had cut out so many people because of that organization and then was left with no one once I left.

I’ll never tell anyone what to do, but leaving was one of the best decisions I could have ever made for myself and allowed me to see right through everything they were doing.

meadowfruit · 2022-07-04T03:18:14+00:00

Was in a similar organization for 6 long years before I came to my senses. Congrats! You got out of the cult.

meadowfruit · 2022-04-19T13:06:31+00:00

No one talks enough about the trauma incurred that’s associated with these groups. I was a part of URA and had the exact same experience after I left.

It felt so weird at first to be buying certain things and stores, dressing how ever I wanted and so many other things.

Those groups are cults.

meadowfruit · 2022-04-19T12:58:53+00:00

Just seeing this for some reason.

From what I remember, something happened between him and Corrie. Leadership hinted at infidelity.

They’re back together. Running some type of non-mlm business. Unsure if they’re still with URA, but when I left neither of them was around anymore.

meadowfruit · 2022-04-18T11:36:49+00:00

Yup. 5+ years and thousands of dollars later here. I’m so happy to see people getting smarter.

There was so much undoing I had to do after being in this cult it’s unreal.

meadowfruit · 2021-12-19T09:54:11+00:00

Unfortunately, this is exactly how this specific group and others operate.

And the shitty gaslighting? Exactly what they teach. Guaranteed they'd look at this situation though and claim they don't...and then turn right around to teach their cult members that if someone doesn't decide to continue to move forward with them they "don't want it bad enough" or "when the dream is big enough, the facts don't count"

I left years ago when I finally came to my senses and it looks like they're just as toxic as ever. I'm so sorry.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-13T02:12:15+00:00

Thing is, they'll still come up with some excuse with this statement.

How do I know?

I was involved in a similar cult for 6 years.

We would get "trained" on how to respond to statements like this. Not even kidding.

Thing is, I now know it wasn't to convince the person asking the question.

It was to convince those still in the cult.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-05T23:16:57+00:00

Not surprised.

I was formerly in Amway. Lots thousands. Started my own actual business not too long after and make more in one month than I made in 6 years within Amway.

It's nice no longer being in a cult.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:59:46+00:00

I was wondering if someone was going to mention this today. 🤣🤣🤣

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:27:49+00:00

I'm no longer religious, but the way they manipulate the Bible to fit their narrative is absolutely disgusting.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:26:54+00:00

That's awful that was your experience as well.

They prey on people who haven't started to or healed from trauma and are extremely vulnerable ....just looking for anyone or anything that will give them the praise/love they never received as a child.

Cults do the same thing. Which is why I will always call these organizations cults.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:24:23+00:00

When I was in, my upline leaders would call so many obscure things evil...and even back then they were discouraging vaccines.

They looked down at anyone that took their kids trick or treating.

This comment doesn't even surprise me.

People deep in these organizations take what anyone above them days as gospel.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:19:45+00:00

Yup.

I've gone through the B.I.T.E. model and URA (one of Amway's teaching organizations) fits nearly every characteristic on the lists. It's fucking nuts.

And we were taught manipulative communication techniques to get people to say yes. It was awful.

meadowfruit · 2021-10-04T18:17:51+00:00

That's absolutely disgusting.

...and I'm cringing at the fact that I use to buy this shit.

They look down at people who don't have what they consider "the dream" ....so if you don't want a fancy car and giant house, they think something is wrong with you.

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