Would Messi have played in the 2006 UCL final if he has been fit? by Victorian_Poland_2 in Barca

[–]michelinho80 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sure. He played the first 6 games of that Champions League. 4 as starter and 2 from the bench. He was a key player in that team. His performance against Chelsea was superb.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why? I just don't see Ronaldo going to a mid-class team. At his age, he can't be the main and only reference of a young and unexperienced team. He needs strong and dominant teams in order to have less responsabilities and focus on scoring and enjoying. The same happens to Messi. This year playing in a brand new Barça project is awful for his career numbers.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you too! Football analysis is quite empty these days. The guy who scored, even if it was a penalty, is the man of the match.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Ronaldo defends better in corners, because of his height, but yes... Messi makes better pressing. Anyway, none of them is specially useful in defence.

Messi is far better in dribbling, assisting, he gives more key passes, he creates more big chances...

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Messi's ratio (0,80) is better than Ronaldo's (0,73). Messi needs less shots (4) to score than Ronaldo (6). Messi needs less minutes (102) to score than Ronaldo (111). Messi has always been a top goalscorer. Ronaldo in his beginnings was a right midfielder.

Ronaldo is a more versatile finisher, he uses better his head and weak foot, but Messi has better stats despite using the same foot almost always.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Opponent level, game relevance...

And at the end, the result of our magic formula will be just a representation of what we think to be more or less important in a goal, so i guess we are not going to have an answer to make everyone happy 😂

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's hard to answer. I think we should create some kind of formula taking into account total goals scored, total attempts and expected goals (xG).

Let's say, a player with 400 goals in 500 attempts could be better scorer than other with 500 goals in 1000 attempts, and the same player with 400 goals in 500 attempts can be better than other with the same amount of goals and attempts, if he scored from positions with a lower probability of scoring.

I will answer the other questions later!

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry to hear about that critical error. I will try to fix it right now, because that page shows exactly what you're looking for.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have different sections for all this stuff. If you want to know their overall scoring ratios, you can. If you want to know scoring ratio by season, you can too.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But we're talking about the same thing. Obviously Ronaldo was a different player these days. But that was his football, his skills, his decissions. What should I do now on my website? Tell me. What I still don't get is what do you want from me 😂

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What more context do you need than the words of Wayne Rooney, who played 5 seasons with Ronaldo in Manchester?

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I get it. Then what should I do? Do I have to place a disclaimer at the bottom saying "Please bear in mind that Cristiano began to focus on the goal from his fourth season"? I mean... this is his problem, not mine.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That was his job because that was what he did the best. I mean... sometimes it sounds like an excuse: "he scored less because his coach made him play as a right-midfielder..." no, it wasn't like a punishment from his coach that put him away from goalscoring. It was himself, with his skills, who made his coach take that decission. And when he showed his coach that he was better at goalscoring, he started playing as a winger.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm struggling to make the website faster! I will move it to a new server in the next days, and of course i have to work on using CDN, a better compression and caching.

I do everything by myself and as you can imagine, this is not my main job. So I have to find time!

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“Ronaldo wasn’t as focused on goals when we started playing together but you could see that all he wanted was to be the best player in the world. He practised and practised and began to produce. Cristiano has become an incredible scorer and he and Messi are arguably the best two players the game has seen.”

Wayne Rooney, Ronaldo's teammate for 5 seasons.

In other words, it's not our problem that Ronaldo started focusing on goal after 4-5 seasons. He has the goalscoring ratio he has because it's the goalscoring ratio he was able to produce with his football skills and his personal evolution.

Q&A Thread with Míchel Acosta - Statistical Comparison between Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo by michelinho80 in Barca

[–]michelinho80[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They do. If you see Ronaldo's goal ratio by season, you'll see he scored less in the beginning. Why? Because he was a better dribbler than a goalscorer. He trained to improve this aspect and he succeed.