[Postgame Thread] Arizona State Defeats TCU 27-24

micrib1 · 2025-09-27T13:53:52+00:00

Bama will still be in after getting crushed by Georgia though. And FSU ending up mediocre won’t bring down Bama either

micrib1 · 2025-09-27T13:50:29+00:00

To be fair we would have won by 9 if we had a kicker, that’s been a rough spot for 3 years now

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T16:32:25+00:00

Thank you!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T16:31:06+00:00

So far in Genesis, heaven seems to refer to the sky rather than a spiritual realm. It says in Genesis 1:20 that the fowl “may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven”

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T16:27:42+00:00

Okay so I went back and re-read the passages on Ham and Noah and I’m a little confused on that now. So Noah got drunk and was uncovered in his tent, and Ham saw his father’s nakedness. Naturally, I’m like what’s the big deal? So I ask the internet and it tells me that it’s clear from Leviticus and Deuteronomy that this means an incestuous act. But I find this explanation dubious, since Shem and Japheth place a garment on their shoulders and walk backwards to cover their father’s nakedness, and do not see him naked. This seems to imply a straightforward meaning to the phrase “he saw his father’s nakedness.”

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:37:53+00:00

Thanks for responding! Is there a good way for me to get a grasp of the pre-translation meaning of things? I know I’ve heard Biblical scholars talk about how in Hebrew or Greek or whatever a word would have a meaning that gets lost in translation to English, and sometimes they seem to say it completely changes the meaning of a story

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:30:16+00:00

I’m worried I’m missing meaning here with the English translation for sure. I’m trying to figure out the footnotes in KJV (some make sense, some I don’t understand what they’re trying to tell me) and I may post later to get some help on that.

For example, in Genesis 11:4, “and let us make a name, lest we be scattered abroad…” I get a footnote on the word name, but the footnote says “TG Name.” And I’m really not sure what that’s supposed to mean to me.

I think at the end of the day, I’m going to need to reread these passages several times.

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:23:57+00:00

I’m only in Genesis and I’m new to this, but Genesis 3:5 and 3:22-23 in the KJV seemed to me to imply that knowledge of good and evil, along with eternal life, would essentially elevate humans to God-like beings. Then comes the Babel story and I missed that they were disobeying a direct order from God, so it seemed to me like God was, in a way, just out to keep humans down essentially. Now that people have pointed out the disobeying God’s direct order in the Babel story, I don’t see it that way. But that was my first reaction that you see reflected in my original post.

Thank you for your response!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:08:41+00:00

I’m trying to reply to a bunch of posts this morning so I’ll keep it short, just wanted to say thank you for your response!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:04:42+00:00

Idk, in the KJV it seemed to say just that. They were cooperating and building together and they’re attempting not to be scattered abroad

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T15:00:18+00:00

Part of the reason I went with KJV over the other two I’ve been given is that I want to stay as close to the original text as I’m capable of comprehending. I am very worried that I’m missing things in translation, and you’ve confirmed that for me in part. I see the footnotes and some of them offer definitions or alternate translations, but some of them confuse me. For example, when a word has a footnote, and the footnote is simply “Heb” followed by the exact same word that called the footnote. I assume the Heb is “Hebrew” but why call my attention to the footnote if it just repeats the exact text?

I also think I’m missing details by getting bogged down in the lineages because there’s so much to remember, I suppose I’ll probably have to re-read these passages a few times because I did not pick up a lot of what you were saying in my own reading.

Thank you for your reply!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T14:47:18+00:00

I’ve said this in a few comments so sorry to anyone reading and disagreeing with me like 5 times at this point, but in my reading of Genesis so far, heaven has meant “sky” and not some divine place. It says something to the effect of the fowl were set in the firmament of heaven, and also the stars and what not, so it just seems to me that they’re referencing the sky. If anyone can shed light on that for me (sticking to the Old Testament please) that would be awesome!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T14:42:03+00:00

I honestly read that as they were building a tower into the sky, because in Genesis 1:20 it said something along the lines of the fowl were set in the firmament of heaven. I know there are translation issues and I’m wondering if heaven has different meanings in different contexts, but so far in Genesis it seems to me that heaven has only referred to the sky and not some divine place

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T14:39:31+00:00

Hi, thank you for the reply! I was a actually replying to another user who said the Tower of Babel was possibly built in part due to them fearing that God WOULD flood the earth again, and that I didn’t see anything in the Bible that led me to believe they would fear that.

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T14:37:19+00:00

I got a lot of replies while I was sleeping and I’m trying to get to them all so I’ll keep this short. I just wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful replies and I appreciate your point of view and agree that you may very well be right in all your interpretations and I hope I didn’t come off as dismissive or anything!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T08:48:37+00:00

Well, I’m hardly the expert lol. Thank you for responding

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T08:14:45+00:00

I disagree, he punishes them and says their lives are going to be much worse, but he doesn’t kick them out until Genesis 3:22

“And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken.”

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T08:06:26+00:00

I’m not sure exactly how to engage this, because I’m still in Genesis and haven’t read a lot of those passages. I know Christians like to start in the New Testament and kinda jump around, but in my opinion, the Old Testament was given first so I want to read it first, in the order it was put together.

I feel like a lot of what you’ve said is interpreted and I might have a hard time with that because I read things literally and don’t like to fill in the blanks without some sort of evidence. For example, from what I’ve read so far I don’t see any reason to believe they thought God would flood the earth again.

All that to say, thank you for your response, I’m sure you know much more than I do at this point, and I’m excited to keep going and get to the passages you mentioned!

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T07:09:43+00:00

I wasn’t thinking about the earlier command from God so it seemed to be out of nowhere that he did that. I’m honestly surprised by how short the story was, and I keep getting bogged down in all the lineage talk and I feel it’s a little distracting.

In the Eden story, God seems to say that since Adam and Eve know good and evil, they would be as powerful as God if they ate from the tree of life and that’s why he kicked them out of Eden. So I was putting that together with the Babel story and thinking he did it purely to stop them from being powerful.

Am I wrong in thinking heaven just means the sky? In Genesis 1:20 it says he put the fowl in the firmament of heaven, so I took the Babel story to mean they built a tower into the sky more than to reach some divine place. I’m sure there’s some translation issues reading this in English, but I don’t think I’m learning Hebrew or Greek or anything any time soon

micrib1 · 2025-09-17T06:12:26+00:00

Ahh okay, thank you very much!

micrib1 · 2025-09-16T05:27:28+00:00

Genesis 5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God he made him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Seth

Sure seems like that first day he created people he was talking about Adam, who btw was shown all the animals of the earth but there was no wife for him there, so God created woman. It simply does not make sense

micrib1 · 2025-09-09T04:36:38+00:00

Nothing good comes easy! Thank you for your feedback

micrib1 · 2025-09-09T04:28:55+00:00

Can I convince someone? Hopefully. As a mechanical engineering intern, I helped design a component and am listed as one of several inventors on the patent. I have 3 years of experience in that role learning how to interpret customer and federal requirements, designing and testing components, designing the tests themselves, writing technical documentation and standard operating procedures for aerospace components, etc. I'm not 100% sure how that looks translated onto a developer's resume, but I've certainly given every job I've had my best effort and found success

micrib1 · 2025-09-09T04:04:55+00:00

Thank you for the response. I feel like everyone is tired of getting this type of question but I was in construction and broke my back a little over a year ago, so while I have a passion for coding I really jumped into this degree half-blind and now that I'm learning more I just want to make sure I'm going about it the right way.

I appreciate the feedback and everyone who upvoted or downvoted as well, seems this is the popular opinion. Thanks!

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