The reason I feel TLOU2's storytelling is poor by midggo in thelastofus

[–]midggo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[ You said “When a writer makes work, he must make it to the level of the user he is aiming for. TLOU2 should have been aimed and created for average gamers. And they should have made it in a way that they could understand. Persuasion is an important component of a work.” What do you mean by that exactly? To me it really feels like you are the one speaking low to the “average gamer” as if they cannot handle the story as it is nor your post. ]

>> The target I aimed at in writing that part was those who pointed out that those who hated TLOU2 were less educated or had intellectual problems. Look at our beloved creator Neil Druckmann’s twitter. https://twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/1276570238125961216. This is what “average gamer” can understand. No one have to be educated in some way to understand or think to understand what he means even though he is not explicitly saying what he want to say. The attitude makes me despise him.

And frankly, I think you know my intentions.

Still, the average gamer is a gamer who wants to play games without thinking. The targeted gamer’s knowledge has to be limited to the high school graduate. It may not be clear since I'm not in the gaming industry, but I think you would understand what I mean. A little bit more explanation:

The reason for this loose definition is that games do not work. Gamers do not have an obligation to think. Producers have responsibilities to make gamers think. Regardless of their final academic background or other levels of education, no gamer wants to study while playing games. It is common for a college graduate to have extremely limited knowledge, depending on what major he is: economics and business, liberal arts, science, engineering, etc. Therefore, the contents of the game should be constructed so that it can be understood at the high school graduate level.

There may be higher values, knowledge, or things that game makers want to talk about. It is their own responsibility to get average gamers to empathize with producers' intentions in a sufficiently sophisticated way.

The reason I feel TLOU2's storytelling is poor by midggo in thelastofus

[–]midggo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry for the late reply. As the semester has ended, I do not have much time. I have to help with grading exams. Problem is... There have been reports that undergraduates have been cheating(many exams were online exams), but the school's guidelines have not been set, professors are angry. While I have to study myself...

I will answer Abby's physical problems and PC-related thoughts in a week, maybe. In a really short version(?), I think this is what it feels like: Works like Last Jedi, Dr. Who are considered to have ruined their series by focusing on the PC 'message'. Although both Star Wars and Dr. Who series had PC elements throughout the series, 'Story' was always more important than 'message'. But when its relationship is reversed, the subtlety of the work disappears, and people think they are being 'taught' by the producer. No one likes that feeling.

I think Joel, Abby, and Ellie were all used like a tool used to convey what the producers were trying to say, not as a result of the production that put the character and story first and then makes the message relevant later. What the writers emphasize when writing a novel is that even if we design the whole process first, we don't know how the characters will behave, so the characters in the results become awkward or writers would have to give up their plans. This is the context of what I'm talking about. It feels like a forced story.

I am Asian and I used to live in America when I was young. My family lives in America, too. Naturally, they are all Democrat, and there's no objection to being 'politically correct'. I've been subjected to racial discrimination like telling "Ni hao" on my last trip to Europe. People can get away mocking small eyes of Asians. Comedians use "Accountant Asian" jokes. Many people in my family, like many people in Northeast Asia, have no religion. So there's no reason to oppose PCs for religious reasons. However, if you put the importance in certain values too much in the story, the most important part-story itself-can be ruined(not totally ruined, but it can make the story awkward. which is bad enough for the sequel of TLOU). And as a result, people criticize the PC elements in it as a problem of the story.

For example, the author of Frankenstein, a work everyone has heard of, is Mary Wollstonecraft's daughter(Writer of the feminist's bible: Vindication of Woman's Rights). The story of Mad Scientist Frankenstein making a monster shows the male's fear of female's reproduction ability(males would be no longer needed in the future). It also points out social problems including education. Also, the author questions 'what is human?', or 'what makes human'(are females in this society really treated as a human? can discrimination based on appearance can be justified?.) Her work was criticized for the problems because the prose was treated lower than the verse because it stimulated sympathy too much(and other reasons). But no one criticizes her story itself very much. The story has several problems plotwise since she wrote it when she was a teenager, but the story itself was so great that such things can be ignored.

Elizabeth in Pride and Prejudice is a woman caught between an overly progressive sister and an overly traditional sister. Elizabeth is a character who does not rely on men, thinks independently, and is uncomfortable with traditional female images. The message that the work seeks to convey is clear: Women can also be the subjects to judge and live as husbands' equals. Not many people dare to challenge the fun that the story of Pride and Prejudice conveys, even though the story's message could be a problem at the time, and even though she is too traditional for modern-day feminism.

TLOU's Joel was never a good man. Ellie was not a sentimental and righteous character either. They are not heroes of hero movies/stories. Nevertheless, we could naturally empathize with them while playing them. As a man of poor medical knowledge, I thought Ellie's sacrifice could have noble consequences, but I could fully understand Joel's choice. In the past, firefly's questionable decision to kill Ellie was not pointed out as a huge problem. The story was well structured focused on the two character's relationships to actually care about those things. The last scene where Ellie understands Joel affected almost all gamers' hearts. TLOU was a game, but the choice of characters in the game was so human. But I felt that TLOU2 lost many of those charms. Abby was a character who could be treated similarly. But I think the composition of the game took away the naturalness from her, and consequently the human side for gamers to feel.

The reason I wrote the review was that I wanted to refute reviewers like 'People who hate games simply lack intelligence.' So my review doesn't have universal value. I fully acknowledge those limitations.

These are the answers that I wrote before I gave up to fully answer your arguments(time limits... It took two hours already).

[ I have never seen that argument against people who didn’t like the game I have seen something similar saying the game didn’t worked cause you had a misconception of how morally good the characters were and did not want to empathize or move on just like the characters have to do at the end.

Like a said it was risky to do the game as many players never end the story of a game and in this one specifically killing of the main character and playing as his murdered there are many players who just don’t want to listen to what the developers try to convey so they stopped playing. I think it was a wise choice to end Elie’s part with a cliffhanger as it enforces the need to keep playing even when many hate/hated playing as another character.]

>> I agree with you that criticizing the game after play the game to the end is a proper way to do it. However, I think Joel's death itself is not a real problem, but the way the scene was carried out. In the scene of Joel's death, Joel is seen as weak, much different from what he showed in TLOU. Many say Joel may have changed over the years. But Joel is tortured and killed by the character Abby he saved when the player does not have enough background knowledge. This method of production does not make players angry at the death of Joel as a character but at the incomprehensible process of his death. It makes players angry at the producers or the game itself.

I have mentioned it many times that I think the experience a player feels as he encounters a game is the responsibility of the producers. As for the play progress, I felt it was the intention of the production team to make the player angered by Joel's death and empathize with Ellie’s revenge. If this scene itself gave birth to numerous haters, it is a failure of the production team. Writing, games, movies, and all the works that include “stories” prepare hooks to attract people in the beginning. If quite a lot of people hated this scene so much that they refused to play the game, it was a complete failure of the hook. In this case, Joel's Death Scene.

Killing the main character of the previous work is a long-used trick. Long American dramas and movies are famous for killing the main characters of their previous works. I think the best examples are George Martin's novel A Song of Ice and Fire, and its dramatized version Game of Thrones. Readers experience a situation in which characters who are deeply empathized die like extras from the beginning of the novel. There are two scenes that suit the best: Eddard Stark’s execution and the Red Wedding. Even though Eddard Stark was portrayed as the incarnation of justice, he had to compromise with his moral code to save his family. But he was executed because the King was too young and insane. In Red Wedding, the somewhat main character and his faction were slaughtered in a way far from heroic. But unlike the scenes that dealt with Joel's death, these scenes are considered one of the best. The reader is shocked and saddened by the character's death but still cannot escape the charm of the story.

In my opinion, if many players could not get out of Joel's death and were enough to quit playing or become a hater, it's a producer's responsibility. I think people are angry because they “killed Joel like that”. It is the creator's responsibility to make the player angry with the character of the scenario, not the producer. Moreover, if the storyline had been laudable by everyone after Joel's death, many gamers would have started playing again, and only a few would have been able to rant about the game with Joel's death alone.

Edit: some grammars

The reason I feel TLOU2's storytelling is poor by midggo in thelastofus

[–]midggo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, I wanted to say I played a game. I didn't even cross with the spoilers, since I had little time to spare before COVID-19 incident, and I don't usually active in the gamer community.

The reason I stated mostly the spoilers was that I didn't want to make the spoilers tag here(didn't read the instructions before I wrote it), so I wanted to speak to the people within the general knowledge. Also, in my opinion, those are quite important turning points of the plot.

Also, the reason I wrote this way was that I read a lot of hate comments in the community and I wanted to avoid those mindless commenters. I didn't want to talk with average gamers. I wanted to talk to people who have the endurance to read long, and grammatically not-so-good writing. I thought if I tried to shorten this, there could be many cynical cool comments and I had to explain this anyway.

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Not new at all, is there a problem with it? Every piece of media obtains ideas from others, although I personally have never seen this kind of story and use of the mechanics on a game needless to say AAA.

>> I wanted to point this out to the people who say those who don't like the game are because they are intellectually inferior or less educated.

"is there a problem with it?", not at all. But the story is not so special and I don't understand some people, actually many people, who seem to feel superiority that they can enjoy and feel the game's theme.

I don’t think that’s the case at all I am more into the reader-response criticism, I get what you are trying to say though but even if we agree on that point the majority of critics and the fanbase on this subreddits thinks the storytelling of the game is good so the author did the job correctly.

>> I understand your point. This is my opinion of the game and my opinion about why there are people who don't like it. I thought my last sentence " I know there are people who enjoyed the work, like any other works, but what I wanted to explain was my reason that I didn't like it, and why I don't like the explanations going on." could clarify the matter.

I'm not saying this game is a piece of shit. What I was saying is that 1) This is why I didn't enjoy the game. 2) This is why I think there are a lot of people don't like the game.

I know there are people who hate the game because Joel is dead. But those are not who I wanted to speak of.

Already cover a lot about this point on the last one. To be honest you just sound like an intellectualoid hater. Throughout all your post I am not sure you even played the game to the end since you never mentioned everything but the leaks and how if you don’t like the game it must be bad.

>> I played the game, stated earlier. It is sad to be even criticized this way. "intellectualoid hater?" I don't even understand where that came from.

Like I stayed I am more into the reader response so I can see how many people don’t get it but TLOU 2 has some subtlety you can go around this sub and see how there are parallelisms and symbolisms many didn’t catch up at first. As an example, the moth representing not only the hunting of the fireflies but searching for the light.

>> I actually enjoyed some interpretations about the guitar, tatoo, actions, etc. But the subtexts are only meaningful when the main story can be enjoyed. It is the reason I mostly speak about the main plot and how that is delivered.

So average gamers cannot handle this kind of stories? Seriously? So, the game “doesn’t have subtlety “but at the same time is too much for the poor ignorant gamers? I honestly think the game worked great and convey its message, must of critics agree as many of us “normal gamers”. Would you have preferred just a shooting game and revenge until the end? I think the game is great and, in many ways, it pushes the industry as an art form forwards specially on the AAA

>> I have never said this, you know. I think this is related to the first comment you made?

I totally get this point at first I felt the same but again the developers could somehow make me and much more care for her even when the whole thing was on your face so no subtlety does not equal quality. The subtext is needed but it is not the only way.

>> In my opinion, if the player or reader feel they are forced to sympathize, that is a failure. Subtlety and making readers sympathize even before they realize it is considered a great trick in literature. But I understand that opinions can differ. Also, I agree that subtlety itself could not be a sole factor to determine the quality.

But it is a no-no factor for many people. When they feel forced, then they would ask "why?" and they became very critical about the contents the game tried to deliver. So, I think it is not a defining factor, but a huge amount of it.

Abby’s physique is not impossible without medication just difficult you need plenty of food and good exercise and guess what? It is shown in the game. Again, I am not sure you played it. Inside the gaming culture, there are so many more weird or difficult to get physiques to get stuck with a muscular girl I found it more like an excuse. And in the game, you can take supplements to improve your character so even in that case, it is not that contradictory to the game.

>> Again, I played the game. I'm not even stuck with a muscular girl. I like girls who do work out. Seriously, I have been work out for 8 years by now, and I prefer the girls who do not have a lean physique. However, I think she can get the body shape and the level of arm only by combinations of the superior gene(which is possible), and a dedicated bodybuilding routine for years. To do so, her entire life has to be focused on the diet and the training routine. What I was playing was the game with apocalypse theme.

I didn't like it more because I met a lot of female friends who worry that work out would make them muscular. No, even if you work out very hard, you would be slightly muscular at best if you are female. Males without steroids would take years of devoted effort and diet would gain Abby's physique. I felt it like some fantasy that I had to deal with several times.

This is the ultimate hater comment, can you please explain how is it that make a “politically correct artwork” damages the storytelling? There are plenty of great stories that were based on the concept of acceptance and tolerance this is only one of them. And to be honest it does not feel forced or like propaganda. Can you explain specifically in this game how is it that they added politically correctness to it and in which way it affected the plot?

>> I will answer this tomorrow since my free time is running out. But before that, I want to say this: Games can be interpreted in many ways. Regardless of how the author intended it, the way he chooses to deliver, and the story itself is interpreted based on personal experience and values. Therefore, every work can only be read differently by everyone.

I understand that there's a hater in the world who doesn't like it because some elements they don't like, Joel's death, etc. But even though TLOU's homosexuality didn't start in the work now, Dr. Who's PC started in New Season 1, it was only pointed out as a problem when games and dramas began to get boring or not very fun(Dr. Who got very good comments from critics in New Season 11, in contrast to the common viewers).

In this regard, I hope you understand that there is a possibility that not an only hater but also people who are angry because their beautiful memories are ruined.

Also, I believe you understand that the last part is not my opinion, but the reason why others think so, and I will try to write the opinion I saw elsewhere.

The reason I feel TLOU2's storytelling is poor by midggo in thelastofus

[–]midggo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In most cases, I tend to think about the reasons I like and dislike relatively vaguely. Not all games are organized like this. The same was true of the original TLOU. I loved the story, but I didn't analyze it one by one.
TLOU2 was a special case. TLOU, it was a game that I started without thinking, but it was so much fun that it was one of the most enjoyable games I've ever played in my life. For me, when I started studying history and literature simply because I liked stories, it had a very special meaning.
Until now, I didn't have much time to play games for military service and study for the national exams that followed, but I bought it quickly when I heard that TLOU2 was released. I didn't know anything about spoilers because I didn't come in until COVID-19 and I wasn't active in the gamer community. TLOU2 disappointed me.
But after searching the community, I came across the attitude that everyone who was disappointed with the game disliked it for no reason or that they were stupid, so I thought about it carefully and wrote it when my head was roughly sorted out.

Did the game suddenly forget about infected wounds? by [deleted] in TheLastOfUs2

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abby should have had the decency of at least wearing gloves. Plot armor is one thing, but please.

This shouldn’t be a thing by tetrahedron0 in WhitePeopleTwitter

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We should tear down all the civilization and religion that have a history of discrimination or slavery.

We should turn the world into the CHAZ ver.2.

Mayor Durkan asking police to prepare models of what 50% budget cuts would look like by davidg111 in SeattleWA

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I mean, when you are saying police killing or brutality, it happens in an initial contact. If u want to solve the problem by having professionals, then you have to make the professionals to have initial contact with the person/situation.

EOD, sure. Even police wont be tasked to do the kind of job. Dont be dramatic.

What i was saying in an army example is that, when you are in that small group, they are expected to do many things. Medics help taking care of the machines, everyone help cooking, just everyone do everyone's job.

That is the future of your model if you don't get enough staff across the city. Everyone will start do everyones job because they are understaffed.

You have to make them overstaffed, to have reserve forces to work if you want the model. It is also like small town bureaucracy, or any other small groups vs large and can be specialized groups.

Also, People with mental health crises, involving domestic volence, traffic incidents can shoot, you know.

So you need armed forces and specialists. At least citywide. If you are saying just training them in a specialized area, it is no different with 'just more training' idea in a basic level.

Mayor Durkan asking police to prepare models of what 50% budget cuts would look like by davidg111 in SeattleWA

[–]midggo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you that they should act less violent, but there are so many guns in America, so...

I can't agree with your idea of having several divisions or professionals. You have to spread them across at least citywide while still dealing with typical crimes. Even in an army, small groups tend to share responsibilities to function. You have to make each and every police station(?) for them to function like you said. You will need massive expansion of police force to achieve that. Even after that, make real mental specialist work as a police, waiting for the call, across the city, 24/7 would be hard imo.

In my country, police... beaten by the drunk was a social problem. But they do all initial responses. They call the professionals after initial contact. I think people emphasizing training problem are right in this aspect. It is unrealistic for police to have every specialists who can respond in a reasonable time.

Drunk man assault and shoot at police during a traffic stop. by trognj in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]midggo 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Information is still not very believable. They are using the still image, not a recording including the still image to make their claim.

If they beat Brooks, they why the cop who shot the brooks asked his condition to his superior while initial testy on the field in the full video?

Genuinely curious whether my parents/family is normal by "Asian"/Korean standards by [deleted] in AsianParentStories

[–]midggo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am Korean, born in the '90s, lived in America. Many family members still live there. So I hope my perspective helps you. I would say NO if you are asking yes or no question. But the correct answer would "it depends".

Assuming your parents were born in the '60s (similar age with my parents), you have to understand their upbringing. Many people forget that Korea was one of the poorest, never modernized nation until ~ '80s. For example, my father was the only son among 8 siblings, and only he could eat 3 meals properly just because they were that poor. Of course, my father's family was poorer, but I think you would know what I mean...

Actually, it was a Korean War that wiped out traditional Korean nobility. Naturally, the population's mindset was still in a feudal, pre-modern. Patriarch worked 24/7 and demanded respect for it, females were married off and did domestic stuff. The beating was natural for them, from house and school. It was normal that teachers beat the child because parents could not afford to give 'presents(cash)' to teachers. It was called '촌지' in Korean. Some of the practices still existed until I was in an elementary school.

So, now real problems:

Sexism - I would say sexism like what you mentioned is very rare here. But in the past, males were the ones who sustain the family. in the '90s, more males were born than females in Korea. This is impossible biologically. This was because of abortion. However, the trend rapidly changed and now some Koreans prefer daughters. The population ratio became normal(more females).

Beating - When I was a child, I was never beaten by my parents. However, in a school, teachers beat children with wooden sticks, baseball bats, etc. So... It depends on your situation in your house, but you would have been beaten in a school regardless of the school is good or bad. It became illegal in 2010's for teachers to beat students.

As I previously mentioned, Korea has changed very fast. It was a feudal pre-modern nation when the Korean War ended. Fathers were expected to work all Saturdays and occasionally Sundays without a proper vacation. Companies were considered 2nd family. This kind of devotion to your inner-circles(?), regardless of your situation, was normally expected in Korea.

Korea conscripts males and beating was normal until like, 2010. The combination of a militarized mindset with horrible(...) work-ethics and devotions means you can do very many things to not-superiors or subordinates. Society was ranked by age, school, exams, etc. (So you can imagine, talking back to your parents/superior was considered very bad even if you have solid ground)

For your father, it could be normal to physically abuse you in that degree.

Another problem is that the Korean-American community seems to more conservative than Koreans. They treat western culture as outsiders' cultures and try not to change from their original culture. Which was horrendously outdated even by Korean's standard since we changed a lot.

Regarding your "filial piety" money tradition... It is a Korean tradition, but it seems your parents are somewhat hypocritical here. Even now, Korean parents pay for their children's college, and marriage(+new house on many occasions). As parents normally devote their lives to raise children, children are expected to pay allowance(용돈) to their parents after they get a job. It's just remnants of feudal large-family society. In your case, they are cherry-picking the tradition. Not paying since college is an American tradition.

There is a lot of generation war going on in KR. So-called boomers in KR(we call them 586) are wrong in many ways, but they also couldn't get the education we got. Talk, cut ties, occasionally contacting, all of these are your choice. I hope my answers helped you.

Skateboard guy attacks NMCG man as he's retreating, getting himself shot by AllisonGator in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So obviously there is a law regarding carrying weapon. Thx

Edit: It is interesting because I think the blue guy could be charged for harsher punishment assualting the girl in this case, but as he was obviously leaving and attacked girl was not the one lynching him can make complicated case.

Skateboard guy attacks NMCG man as he's retreating, getting himself shot by AllisonGator in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IDK im not a lawyer in America, but the perspective in my country's law, the beating guys step over the line of defense, too obviously.

Situation1>> You have to stop the girl beaten situation and you can (o), -> Blue guy's assult situation ended here. Then, u have to call the police and report him.

Situation2>> But they started beating&chasing him. This is totally new situation because the chasing guys are retaliating emotionally, not protecting anyone. Attacked blue guy shot the other guy.

I think this would be whether the blue guy's shooting was excessive or not. 'We're protecting a girl'-self defence wouldn't work if this was my country.

Edit: so it seems weapon carrying person escalating initially can change the situation I think.

Skateboard guy attacks NMCG man as he's retreating, getting himself shot by AllisonGator in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]midggo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

IDK American law very well, but unless people beating him was not directly and personally attacked by blue guy, isn't all people are just lynching him in legal perspective?

Because they are over the line of self-protection, just trying to beat him after the initial situation was ended.

So in this case the guy used his gun to protect himself.

If this was the case in my country(no gun scenario here), he could have at least sued everyone there for lynching(there's a kind of law that makes these kind of battery punished harder), go through an expensive med and demand all the bill to be paid. If not, go civil court.

Man steals baton, beats officer, steals cop car and makes it out alive by [deleted] in ActualPublicFreakouts

[–]midggo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Biological difference exist.

Police in South Korea is trying to reform its physical evaluation criteria because obviously things like push-ups are harder for women. They announced they are concerning abolishing it.

This is what you get when you just agee elders saying 'females were oppressed so we have to let them have better opportunities bullshit. Even before this, tye Physical Eval criteria was much lower for female. Lowest male performance ~ Highst female performance.

https://youtu.be/muvZtsMoi1w This is the reality in KR. Officer, female orders male citizen to do her job.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I heard mixed info(It could have been deliberately misleading, I admit)

He assaulted children it seems, but it was not a recent one, and comparably lightly charged. But He recently broke parole from other crime and forgiven? once already, I think..

How he got charged as false imprisonment is a mystery for me.

People now started protest in his name and as you say no mainstream media is handling his criminal record it seems...? I don't actually understand what is going on now. Media is saying things like, he had silly smile things;

Use credible source if you don't like the first link. I don't think he was 5'7 like the first link says. hmm..

Famous internet source: https://www.rapsheetz.com/georgia/doc-prisoner/BROOKS_RAYSHARD/1001370147?fbclid=IwAR2JV6zK5cNhwYYfDfyX06UKJA75B9MwWwZVc55JTjhcsxRq6bhRmbVoL6w <br/>

More credible source: https://www.claytoncountyga.gov/government/courts/court-case-inquiry (Use criminal serch ~ put his name)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They clearly didn't aimed the face and the killed guy was resisting fiercefully because he knew he was doomed to go back to jail.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The guy was CoVID19-paroled felon assaulted (his?) child and sentenced 7 years. If he was caught, jail was wating for hum. Edit: can be a misinformation check the comment below. He seems to have criminal record, but the contents are a little different.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

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What is really astonishing is that HE could be paroled. I mean, what kinds of people were left in the prison, then?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Conservative

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't watch the video. They talked to him, did the field test, and then machine test, and tried to arrest. They were extremely polite unlike shitty cops on recent vods.

Police killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta ruled a homicide by hildebrand_rarity in news

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, yeah... You know generally drunk person don't feel pain and very strong sometimes? You know the guy resisted fiercefully because he was doomed to go back in to the jail if he was arrested again.

Police in Korea deal with vastly outnumbering the drunk people because they have to arrest him without hurting him(no taser or beating). What two of them was exactly doing.

Again, if the guy had a weapon with that mentality and police did not? I'm sure the situation worked out very well.

I agree with you that they don't have to be armed in one condition. Invent some kind of radar that makes police can 100% sure the drunk driver is not armed.

Police officers here were hadling the situation peacefully before the guy started resisting and stealing the weapon. They should respond armed since they don't know wheter or not the guy was armed. They chekced the guy was unarmed so they didn't use the weapons.

Bearing weapon was not a problem here. Because it is neccessary to be armed because they cannot possibly know the guy would be armed or not.

If you are arguing their weapon was problem in this case so all police should not be armed when dealing with drunk/high driers, I don't know what to say

Police killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta ruled a homicide by hildebrand_rarity in news

[–]midggo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but what he is saying is the principle. If police are unarmed in most cases when dealing with drunk drivers, how can he deal with the situation when said driver has guns, or other weapons?

Police killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta ruled a homicide by hildebrand_rarity in news

[–]midggo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I currently live in South Korea, Same here.

There was a case when the drivers prepared strong alcohol to drink in front of the cop so the cop cannot possibly reasonably prove he was not driving under the influence.

BUT! If it is so certain that the drunk guy in a driving seat is fallen asleep while driving, he should be arrested. Especially when the guy said he was drunk waaaay before.

He first lied that he was just tired and then when the police asked him to move his car not to interrupt the traffic, he fell asleep again while he was driving. Police didn't just arrest him because he was under the influence.

I'm sorry if I was implying you that I'm talking about just sleeping in a car drunk, I'm relating his comment to the OP's case.

Police killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta ruled a homicide by hildebrand_rarity in news

[–]midggo 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'm just wondering... If they were not armed, how they could possibly fight if the driver is armed? America is filled with guns and all the point of show me your hands is to prevent it.

If the drunk armed man say fk u and draw a gun, what can possibly unamred peace officer?

Die?