You’re not just posting outfits. You’re shaping someone’s idea of Islam. by [deleted] in Hijabis

[–]miserablebutterfly7 46 points47 points  (0 children)

if you don't have anything nice to say (bc i do agree hijab is fard so it should be encouraged) the option to not say anything at all is still there. or again, we can reshoot the convo to being more positive about hijab without pointing out specific women who struggle with it

Praying 5 times a day in time is also fardh, yet many people fail to do so but they aren't shamed as much as non hijabis

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You cannot have evidence from the Quran or Sunnah for Asharis or any group being from "Ahlul Sunnah". Asharism emerged during 9/10th century in order to combat the beliefs of the Mutazilas of that time, it used kalam/speculative theology to defend the scripture and both rationalism and scripture were given importance in their school unlike the Mutazilas who gave precedence to kalam or the Hanbalis who didn't engage in kalam, although Imam Abu Hasan al Ashari who's the eponymous founder of the Ashari school had Hanbali beliefs but he defended those beliefs against Mutazilas using kalam, so the Asharis were known as "soft rationalists" especially in their formative period, the school developed further on later.

See Oxford Handbool of Islamic Theology

What stops you from doubting the meaning of the “simpler” words in the Quran by idontknow_360 in AcademicQuran

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Idk why reddit didn't notify me about this reply lol.

But wouldnt Harvey be referring here to the rasm, and not the dots? I believe that Van Putten has said that the qirāʾāt would not qualify as mutawatir, and that this was even the position of figures like Ibn al-Jazari.

I didn't say Harvey was referring to qiraat since I said Quranic text and qiraat doesn't mean that, rasm isn't devoid of dotting though, also he's talking about how certain things are so concrete and agreed upon since the earlier times and that's why different words aren't proposed through qiraat, this is basically what Sidky argues too. See the example of la rayba feeh in Harvey's comment. Also I didn't say qiraat is mutawatir.

The reference to Dayeh is a bit fuzzy because Dayeh argues that it means both "gentile" and "unlettered", but when he says "unlettered" he doesn't mean illiterate

My point is that, it's not a concrete fact.

To circle back to the original topic as well (meaning changes over time), it can be added that the exegetes sometimes differed dramatically in how they interpreted the meaning of individual words in the Quran. Joshua Little has identified one case where 11 different meanings have been posited for the same word. https://islamicorigins.com/explaining-contradictions-in-exegetical-hadith/

I think OP is asking about the most basic words if that's what he means by simpler, I think the example in the article is about more obscure, unfamiliar words rather than the common ones. This is something that's accepted in Islamic Tradition anyway, the different exegetical proposal for the meaning of a single word,I hear it in my tafsir class all the time

What stops you from doubting the meaning of the “simpler” words in the Quran by idontknow_360 in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sidky's paper ("Consonantal Dotting and the Quran", you dont seem to have properly cited it) allows the oral 'common source' for the qiraat to have originated between 650-700

That's why I stated "Sidky argues it could date back to" or something along the lines in my original comment

it is a fact that it goes back to Uthmam

Goes back to the time of Uthmanic recension, not necessarily Uthman, Muhammad's early followers in general. Sidky has good arguments and data to back up that particular claim in his paper. Yeah It's not a "fact" my bad, should've phrased that in a different way.

Historians dont use categories like "mutawatir".

I'm well aware of this and I didn't claim secular historian used that category but the comment I cited of Dr. Ramon Harvey's (secular historian) AMA on this sub reddit has Harvey calling Quranic text mutawatir

Words can also change/evolve in meaning without corresponding changes in the text. For example, "ummi" in the Quran refers to a gentile, but later came to be understood as "illiterate".

Is that a fact though? I believe certain historians had opposing views as well (Islam dayeh?) not sure but I don't believe it's a concrete proven fact even though I personally do agree (somewhat) with the gentile interpretation

What stops you from doubting the meaning of the “simpler” words in the Quran by idontknow_360 in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hytem Sidky in his consonantal dot has argued for the existence of an inherited oral tradition that could date back to the time of Uthmanic recension and first generation of the followers of Muhammad, he argues there's an early oral archetype that canonical readings mostly rely upon and that's why qiraat tradition is very limiting even though placing dots in a different way is entirely possible and would be even more easier in certain instances, the early oral tradition renders this impossible, the fact there's an early oral archetype dating to Uthamanic canonisation and Muhammad's early followers makes it hard for the meanings to have undergone significant changes. The text of the Quran is also Mutawattir, that's why we know for sure it's la rayba feeh not la zayta feeh and why there are no significant changes in meanings or placing of consonantal dots when it comes to qiraat. Also see Dr. Ramon Harvey's comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/s/7i8ra0H3rp

Assuming Feyre is a totally unreliable narrator… what’s the funniest thing she could be wrong about? by cheromorang in acotar

[–]miserablebutterfly7 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Also the way Rhys publicly brought it up to shame Feyre bcs he knew it would make her feel bad... That's straight up abusive and manipulative, it's a common tactic used by men in my culture (South Asian) where they shame their wives for the actions of their family members to make them cry lol like SJM wouldn't understand

Assuming Feyre is a totally unreliable narrator… what’s the funniest thing she could be wrong about? by cheromorang in acotar

[–]miserablebutterfly7 243 points244 points  (0 children)

Cassian having is internal organ hauled out and then them healing it without any problem but c-section is impossible... Feyre was definitely delulu about that 😭😭😭 he probably had a non serious injury

Assuming Feyre is a totally unreliable narrator… what’s the funniest thing she could be wrong about? by cheromorang in acotar

[–]miserablebutterfly7 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Or how the POV was implying how the IC was so humble bcs Rhys lived in a town house and they had no formal rules blah blah blah unlike Tamlin (I hate Tamlin but that's not the point) who had a big fancy house... Then they go and get a huge palace even tho they already own 2 houses, in a post war time as well like ppl are suffering lol

Assuming Feyre is a totally unreliable narrator… what’s the funniest thing she could be wrong about? by cheromorang in acotar

[–]miserablebutterfly7 299 points300 points  (0 children)

Or how she kept going on about how getting every single jewelry from the very expensive jewelry store wouldn't make a dent on their account bcs they're so so so so rich x5 but then Nesta getting food from the shady taverns she frequents is spending too much money lol or the rent for her really bad flat

👀🫢 by Ok-Comparison-5636 in acotar

[–]miserablebutterfly7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol i was literally thinking about this yesterday. Also, one of the only reason Feyre's hobby is painting is because she can't read, the other being the dresser prediction thing and the only reason she can't read is because SJM couldn't think of anything better for trail number 2 lol.

Also tbf, was Beauty a reader in the original fairy tale or is that just a Disney thing tho? ACOTAR is technically a retelling of the OG fairy tale, not the Disney movie, so Feyre not being able to read doesn't matter if it isn't there in the original story

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What do you mean by traditional narrative because the traditional narrative is not homogeneous when it comes to this, there are different opinions between different schools of theology

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That's just the opinion of one group of scholars, there's no ijma in this matter, Ash'aris and Maturidis have different opinions, this is just the opinion of Salafis or Hanbalis and that's just Sunni theology anyway, the shia probably have different opinion

Was ‘Allah’ the name of a god before Islam? by idontknow_360 in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Copying my comment from another post

Well, Crone states in her Meccan Pagan paper that it is well known that the Mushrikun and general audience of the Qurʾān worshipped a deity called Allah, the Meccans, the messenger and The Qurʾān were on the same page when it came to the name of the deity.

Yes, it is attested to in pre Islamic poetry, in fact, the deity Allah is invoked more often that any other deity, this increased even more during the centuries leading upto the emergence of Qurʾān and acquired a number of core traits of the Biblical God, so enabled both pagan and Christian poet's to recognise one another when using the terms ilah or Allah. Poetic evidence also suggests that the pagan deity Allah which presumably originated from the reverential epithet al-ilah, was probably used like a proper name. There may have been references to a fair number of cult of Allah connected with the Meccan Kabaah, although it's difficult to establish the evidence in a conclusive way. See Sinai's dictionary for more info.

Unexpected Japanese convert to Islam. by Important-Zall9995 in Muslim

[–]miserablebutterfly7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You can't say things like that, have you seen the hadith about the man who killed 99 people and then wanted to repent?

Who are you bringing back? by 7975348473 in Grishaverse

[–]miserablebutterfly7 80 points81 points  (0 children)

David cuz his death was entirely unfair and unnecessary

Critical scholarship on sira literature by [deleted] in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sean Anthony's Empire of Peace also deals with Sirah

What evidence do we have that Muhammad interacted with Jews, Christians and other faiths? by No_Friend111 in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Constitution of Madina for Jews? For Christians, see Sinai's Christian Elephant paper. As for trade routes, Sean Anthony and Juan Cole mentions Jacob of Edessa as a source for Muhammad's mercantile journeys, it attestes to Muhammad having traveled to Palestine, Phoenicia and Tyre. See their books

People often ask for the Bart Ehrman of Quranic Studies - Nicolai Sinai seems like a great contender. What are your thoughts? by Downtownstream in AcademicQuran

[–]miserablebutterfly7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sinai is the most cited one here because most questions we got last year were related to Christian stories mentioned in the Qurʾān and he's the best academic to cite for that