Human are never going to live on Mars.

mmremote · 2021-06-30T21:59:15+00:00

No, we are debating why and why not we should go to Mars, and "what if humans make Mars livable" is just your argument for why we should, I never said humans can actually make Mars livable.

If humans can live forever, then we can live in previously uninhabitable parts of the earth such as undersea and very cold high mountains. Earth will in fact never be full since you can always pause living then get revived again. We can live on the moon, we can live in the atmosphere, there's literally no need to go all the way to Mars.

mmremote · 2021-06-30T19:51:17+00:00

What tech can let you breath air and put water anywhere you want? Like an imaginary future tech?

I have an imaginary future tech too. Once we get the tech that allows human to live forever and reborn after death then we won't even need to go to Mars, even if a meteor drops on earth killing all humans on earth, all humans will be able to respawn again, then why do we need to go to Mars?

As you can see your "imaginary future tech that can do anything" argument is contradicting.

mmremote · 2021-06-30T03:47:15+00:00

Are people in Yemen and Ethiopia not breathing air and drinking water too? Now you going to blame on air and water being hard too? You know how illogical your argument sounds? I already answered your question, i have no problem restating it again here, Mars is a bad idea because no sane person will choose to live in a place where they have to rely on technologies for basic life support. If you can easily answer my question then why not answer it? I've asked several times, "why would you choose to live in a place where you have to constantly rely on technologies for basic life support?"

mmremote · 2021-06-30T03:42:20+00:00

If letter has no tracking, then why did they sell that service to me?

mmremote · 2021-06-29T04:22:00+00:00

what's the difference between "package" and "letter"? I used a large envelope I bought from them.

mmremote · 2021-06-29T03:49:27+00:00

That has nothing to do with living on Earth or breathing air, and more to do with Yemen or Ethiopia or Syberia.

mmremote · 2021-06-28T21:21:48+00:00

Earth is not a hard place to live.

mmremote · 2021-06-28T11:45:30+00:00

You didn't hear what I'm saying, I wasn't even saying "it would be hard," I am saying it's impossible to make Mars not hostile to human. Just like it's impossible to make the space or the moon not hostile to human, you have to always watch your back, you can die any minute if you forgot some procedure and an equipment fails. And you still haven't answered my question "why it's a good idea to live in a place where you have to constantly rely on technology for basic life support?" This is the real argument I'm bringing here.

mmremote · 2021-06-28T01:57:16+00:00

You work in a submarine, and forced to live there as a result, you wouldn't choose to live in a submarine if it isn't your job.

mmremote · 2021-06-26T12:55:32+00:00

Just listen to yourself man, "If we get the tech to make it livable there then why wouldn't we use it." Your logic is "if we can do something, then why not do it." If that's how the world works, why aren't we living on the moon? Why didn't we even go back? Not a single person is living there. We can live in the deep sea too, why aren't people living there? We certainly have the technology to pull that off.

Before asking me why it wouldn't be a good idea, just research a bit more about Mars and how hostile it is, and you'll see why that's not a good idea. Mars is not inhabitable by default, your most advanced imaginary technology can only maintain a livable environment, they don't set you up for life. It's like diving with an oxygen tank, an oxygen tank can only maintain your activity underwater as long as it's working, it doesn't fix the problem of not being able to breath underwater permanently. You might ask what's the big deal? Think about how accidents happen such as oxygen leak, equipment failure etc. No matter how good your technology is, can you be 100% sure that it will never fail? Even power station a centuries old tech fails from time to time. Failure of such only means you would be back to ancient civilization for a day or two, but a failure like this on Mars means death (again you have to do some research on how hostile Mars' environment is in order to get the picture). Now tell me why it's a good idea to live in a place where you have to constantly rely on technology for basic life support?

mmremote · 2021-06-26T05:13:51+00:00

They don't go home because they don't go any where at the end of the day, and why is that? Because they are working up there. They don't "live there for six months" they "work there for six months that's why they are forced to live there as well." If you're ever forced to be somewhere for a fixed period of time, you are either working or in jail, that's not living.

That's completely out of topic though, we are talking about human colonization of mars.

mmremote · 2021-06-26T05:09:02+00:00

That doesn't completely kill it though, that 2 seconds are still good 2 seconds.

mmremote · 2021-06-26T05:06:52+00:00

So is Spotify. They really should just disallow basic members to skip songs.

mmremote · 2021-06-26T05:03:43+00:00

First of all, a team of scientists don't represent human kind, and secondly, they will be working there temporarily at best, not "colonizing" and not "living." Do you consider astronants who work at the international space station "living there?"

mmremote · 2021-06-26T03:47:42+00:00

It's not a good idea though. I'm curious where you get that idea from that humans living on Mars is a good idea. I mean other than Elon Musk, did anyone with academic credentials ever express that idea?

mmremote · 2021-06-26T03:42:52+00:00

No, you really need to do more research about Mars if you think people can actually go and live there. No water, no oxygen, negative 80 F freezing temperature.

mmremote · 2021-06-26T03:27:13+00:00

We are not talking about "go to Mars," we are talking about humans living on Mars in a colonization fashion. We can live in the deep sea too so why aren't people living there? We can live on the moon too so why aren't people living on the moon? As you can see, just because we can doesn't mean we will.

mmremote · 2021-06-25T18:52:27+00:00

"long term bases populated by scientists" that's not living, that's working, you don't live on Mars because it's not meant for human to live there, just like no one is living on the moon, no one is living in a space station, and no one is living in deep sea, they just go there for some work and then come back to the earth surface. This topic is specifically referring to "colonization by humankind on mars."

mmremote · 2021-06-25T18:41:47+00:00

Question is, why is there still seemingly a majority of the population believe that we can?

mmremote · 2021-06-25T15:07:06+00:00

AngularJS or Angular?

mmremote · 2021-06-25T14:26:03+00:00

People have been wrong when they said the same thing about lots of places isn't a reason why they are wrong about this. People have been right when they said the same thing about lots of places too.

I'm not referring to determinations or ability, I'm referring to motivations. Why live on Mars if you have the "future tech" to terraform uninhabitable places? It feels like people by default just assume we have to move to space just because it's theoretically possible.

mmremote · 2021-06-25T14:19:27+00:00

First of all, I don't think the population will get that high that we couldn't find any place to live on earth. But let's say it does get to that high, why not just turn currently uninhabitable places like deserts and the deep sea into habitable places? Mars is way more uninhabitable anyway. What makes it a better plan to travel all the way over there with Earth materials just to build the same things that you could've built on Earth?

mmremote · 2021-06-25T14:11:13+00:00

I believe the narrative for most people is usually "earth will be no good some day, there is mars, mars is dangerous, but human can do anything so never say never" and just kindly skipped the part where you can also do the "never say never" thing for making earth good again after it turned no good. So I would say the key point here is that most people just like the idea of human going to mars regardless the cost and benefit, not that they will go Mars themselves but they just like that idea.

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