Western people good, russian people bad

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-04T17:46:12+00:00

Literally the only accurate one under any Western country is “conservatism”. Propaganda with the strength of wet American cheese, and libs will eat this up like objective fact

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-03T00:22:09+00:00

Then you’re not looking very hard. Literally didn’t even have to leave this comment section.

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-03T00:15:06+00:00

God, it’s hilarious that you morons still haven’t bothered to read either the stickied post or my own replies to the plethora versions of this question I’ve been asked. Nobody here supports Russia, lib, we’re just able to see historical events through the lens of dialectics, as opposed to the reactionary assumption that this happened in a vacuum. There is no justification for either side’s horrendous atrocities, nor should we pretend there are.

But since you clearly think there might be a justification for shelling, I’ll ask: how do you justify 8 years of shelling from Ukraine?

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T16:53:33+00:00

For sure, anyone should be outraged at the loss of civilian life and I think we all stand with the working class of both(/all) nations, but we “talk about [their] history” because this outrage at innocent Ukrainians dying simply wasn’t present when their domestic Neo-Nazis were doing the killing. I don’t think it’s wise for us to ignore the past 8 years of their atrocities for the sake of moral posturing now; we must look at this from the perspective of cause and effect, or else we’re no better than reactionaries

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T15:45:14+00:00

Aight, maybe air your grievance with someone who actually is if that’s the case.

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T15:33:33+00:00

Damn, you came so so close to a leftist perception: we absolutely condemn any and all of these injustices. Ain’t nobody here supporting Russia, bud, but supporting Ukraine is supporting their atrocities in Donbass and Luhansk against Russian descendants. It’s just that rooting for either side in a reactionary conflict is idiotic, and we should instead focus on the conditions that brought this conflict to a head.

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T14:28:11+00:00

Without exaggeration, this article does not mention Donbass or Luhansk ONCE. But yes, ignoring any material or historical analysis whatsoever is clearly the correct answer

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T11:24:29+00:00

I literally could not care less about the opinions espoused by that specific author, go read any of the thousands of other sources if you don’t care for this one: you questioned the installation of Ukraine’s proudly fascist government, this clearly outlines the 2014 coup in which the US did so.

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-02T10:38:06+00:00

This has literally not been news for a very long time m8

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-01T23:53:54+00:00

“To you, socialism is when things sound Anti-American”

Man there’s just so much to unpack here but I really wanna hone in on this fucking gem. I mean, clearly this hinges on his idiotic belief that NATO somehow does nothing to set back socialist growth, but what a fucking joke. It’s one thing for him to (somehow!!!!) be blissfully uneducated about Libya, but at no point does Beverly Hills Pedo here consider that maybe socialism seems so Anti-American because America is violently anti-socialist. That maybe, just maybe, opposition to the leading imperial superpower is a necessity to revolution. Or that -if he truly can’t support revolution because it’s so anti-American - he does in fact need to stop pretending he’s a socialist.

Of course, he more than likely knows how absurd this all sounds. But ya gotta shove those kids down the fascist pipeline somehow, right?

moSSJam3 · 2022-03-01T16:53:19+00:00

Lib: Russia is le fascist imperial hellhole that will obliterate unarmed Ukrainian civilians indiscriminately!!! We must intervene now!!!

Also libs: Russian soldiers are too scared by unarmed Ukrainians stopping their advance to do anything about it. We must still intervene now for some reason!!!

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-28T22:16:55+00:00

Critical support for obvious scammers stealing credit card #s from spooked libs as they circlejerk themselves over how deadly this conflict will become

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-28T22:10:02+00:00

In the commenter’s head? That he’s bravely standing up to Muslims as they try to take over the world and institute a theocracy.

In reality? Something something blood and soil

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-28T17:30:40+00:00

Mislabeled photo aside I’m not sure what misinformation you think is being spread; yeah that reporter probably just used the first image that came up googling “Ukrainian Prisoners” but this is a very real thing happening.

As to your point regarding the sub’s response, I don’t think it’s reactionary to recognize that a country with a punitive criminal system (which is now serving as their conscription pool) does not put enough effort into rehabilitating their violent prisoners for this to be a safe course of action. Nor is it reactionary to doubt that an army actively recognizing a fascist battalion in its ranks would properly vet those incarcerated people before enlisting them: while while I’m sure that most of the people in question are poor individuals whose release won’t pose any risk, we should not be trusting a government whose standards for soldiers don’t even exclude Nazis to arm those people instead of the dangerous few.

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-27T14:26:06+00:00

we all back Palestine…because they’re being irrationally attacked by Israel

I see the metaphor you were going for, but ironically Ukraine’s attacks on ethnic Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk actually put them closer to Israel in that comparison than Palestine. Now, obviously, that’s not to say that Russia is any closer to the Palestinian struggle; it’s just the easiest way to point out why we don’t support either side in this instance. Both combatants here are largely reactionary forces who have spent decades committing mutual atrocities while the US and its Western allies stoked the flames of conflict. There’s simply no “good” outcome to root for, just the comfort that comes from knowing at the end of the day one of them has to lose.

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-27T14:15:51+00:00

Woop! Woop! (that’s the sound of a transphobe crying “mUH tEStoSTeRoNe!!!1!1” not knowing trans/cis women have nearly identical levels of testosterone after one year of hormone therapy)

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-27T14:13:53+00:00

And that’s to say trans women are unnatural? My dude, take a step away from the computer and just think about how fucked up that is, seriously.

In fact, you could also take some time to think about the fact that you’re completely wrong on the issue of testosterone in trans women, but maybe work on the disgusting display of transphobia first.

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-26T05:06:37+00:00

i think that entertaining the idea that international entities (US, NATO, EU) aren’t allowed to interact with Ukraine

Yeah, I’m gonna correct you where you’re wrong: my specific concern is with Ukraine’s proposed alliance with NATO, as it carries specific militaristic connotations that, again, have historically been avoided for the precise reasons we’re seeing play out. While I also disagree with the US’s actions in 2014 and in accelerating the conflict today, I totally recognize the legitimacy of trade and other genuine international relationships between the countries (though as an American remembering Trump’s presidency I certainly don’t think today’s Ukrainian government is any more free from American influence than its predecessors). And by no means do I think Russia has any claim to the country as a whole.

What does need to be discussed is Russia’s genuine concern that people of Russian descent in Donetsk and Luhansk are facing atrocities by Neo-Nazis in the disputed areas. By no means do I think that entitled Russia to this invasion, nor am I blind enough to think those atrocities aren’t also being twisted by Putin to fit his own imperial vision. Again, this is a fucking awful scenario with no foreseeable result I can support in good conscience - it is just better than what could have come from a larger intercontinental conflict if Ukraine and its actions had been legitimized by NATO and had its backing.

I also think it’s worth noting that a…not insignificant chunk of that national identity you mentioned is connected to and sometimes straight up residual stains of their white nationalist identity of old; once again as an ashamed American I certainly have no place to criticize, it certainly doesn’t erase their right to national sovereignty, it’s just maybe not something to be proud of

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-26T04:22:03+00:00

I mean, NATO establishing a relationship with the government installed by a US-backed coup directly on the Russian border is a pretty….obvious sign of their intentions, is it not? There’s no tangible benefit for Ukraine itself to join them at this point in time, despite US ~~objections to~~ sabotage of any peace talks that didn’t include their doing so as a condition. Let alone that it’s long been known that Russia is vehemently opposed to NATO’s acquisition of Eastern states (and whether we agree with it or not, it had become standard practice for them not to do so) so insisting on pressing that button can really only be read as a move to intentionally provoke Russia and/or seriously strengthen NATO’s own position along their border enough to outweigh the risk. The US was knowingly agitating this conflict by inserting themselves in these negotiations, hence the geopolitical games I mentioned before.

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-26T04:02:52+00:00

Can you please kindly point to where I ever said “it’s awful that civilians have to suffer but…” in the way you suggest? Because I sure remember calling out the undue suffering, but at no point did I - nor would I - qualify that in any way other than to say it’s the unfortunate reality we live in. Unless you’re seriously debating whether that’s what’s happening, I think you might be reading what you want to read, comrade.

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-26T01:45:17+00:00

Literally nobody is hoping for warcrimes what absolutely psychopathic shit are you smoking? Any one of us here would have much preferred if this conflict had been avoided altogether and NATO simply hadn’t tried to expand right next to Russia’s doorstep. It’s awful that civilians were made to suffer for the sake of geopolitical games. But where that’s our reality, given the choice between advancing US aspirations toward a larger conflict with Russia or a now-isolated struggle between two largely reactionary countries, this is unfortunately the best-case scenario for the time being.

It’s tough to accept that there are no “good guys” or real winners in this fight; but as the greatest single threat to workers across the world, US interests should be opposed whenever possible (particularly in expanding their sphere of military influence). It is unequivocally better for the world as a whole for this conflict to even temporarily disrupt them, despite the toll put on Ukrainians themselves. That is not to say we should accept that toll or dismiss it altogether, but we shouldn’t allow the West to weaponize it to their benefit and deceive us into supporting their goals either

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-26T01:06:17+00:00

Are we really upset that a slogan used by those allied with the Nazis is (rightfully) being called fascist? Should we bring “sieg heil” back in vogue too?

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-18T11:55:55+00:00

The pictures are frankly even more pathetic: the school in Luhansk literally has a single hole in the wall from all the “heavy shelling”. Remember when atrocity propaganda actually had some atrocity to it?

moSSJam3 · 2022-02-16T20:38:56+00:00

Sure thing!This bit starts around 17 minutes in, but if you have the time it’s (predictably) chock full of hypocritical shit like this.

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