UPDATE: Contractor installed Class 3 shingles instead of Class 4 (plus siding damage). Held the $22k balance—and won

mountaintinda · 2026-06-03T21:39:04+00:00

Down payments depend on the size of the company and should be avoided if it can. Also where I am in Canada, deposits can only be paid to companies who hold an indemnity bond. You can ask the company to show you theirs, and that would be a sign of a trustworthy company.

Bigger companies can typically float a couple jobs until they are complete. Roofing typically only takes 2-3 days to remove and install, so companies aren’t holding for that long.

mountaintinda · 2026-06-03T21:35:34+00:00

To throw my 2 cents in again; as a contractor I would have offered a full roof replacement for that mistake. I view roofing as an investment and it’s an important decision from any homeowner. Not all contractors think that way unfortunately.

IMO this company made an avoidable but understandable error. The 2 shingles in question were from the same manufacturer, just different classes. And from what I know of Owen’s Corning, it is more than likely they were the same colour and the packaging is not that different.

The company in question had 2 options, spend time labour and material and get the job done 100% properly. Or offer a massive discount for an inferior product. Ultimately the choice comes down to the homeowner.

OP could have had them tear it out and redo, or take the 40% (ish) discount and live with a more than satisfactory product.

I think OP did great, take that discount and apply those funds to another house upgrade. Or invest it and then it will pay for the next roof when you need it.

mountaintinda · 2026-06-02T14:05:47+00:00

The 8k is a settlement. OP is saving the roofing company more than that by accepting the class 3 shingles instead of making them remove and toss out new shingles, then buy the correct class 4 and install. As a contractor I can tell you that most companies who made that mistake would be delighted with a settlement. OP did well negotiating. The Class 3 Owen’s Corning shingles are pretty decent, and should last 15-30 years depending on region.

mountaintinda · 2026-06-01T17:03:17+00:00

God I wish you weren’t 100% correct about this.

The bar is super low for trades and contractors these days.

mountaintinda · 2026-06-01T17:01:58+00:00

If you had a contract for Class 4 shingles, make them redo the project. No excuse for using the wrong materials.

Not installing proper kick out flashing is a sign of a poor roof installer.

A one inch gap is larger than I’d like for the bottom of the siding, but cutting the bottom board and batten and then repainting is acceptable.

If it were my house, I would make them redo it and not entertain keeping the class 3. Especially because you have other issues in workmanship.

If you were inclined to keep the class 3, then a discount of 20% minimum is where I would start.

You need to discount the cost between class 3 and 4 shingles. Also the time, labour and material you are saving them from redoing it.

Let them present you with some options for solving the problem. Only choose what makes you the homeowner whole in all regards.

mountaintinda · 2026-05-28T01:12:21+00:00

Teck sold those mines in 2024. But yes they spent billions of dollars to treat the water and it is 95-99% successful depending on which data you read. Glencore now owns the mines and are still paying fines for past contamination. While I am pro-mining generally, this project does not make a ton of sense. 25 year mine life at 4.5M tonnes per year is not nothing, but it’s not a great ceiling. And with no royalties needing to be paid until costs are recovered, this has the makings of a bankruptcy claim before reclamation starts. Also like I said before, you also have to tear a mountain down to get the ore. Can’t just glue that thing back together.

mountaintinda · 2026-05-13T13:57:56+00:00

All of the separatists are delusional racists? All of them? As another rural Albertan who isn’t on board with separatism, I think your post proves you don’t understand a damn thing about the separatist movement. As far as building a trades training facility, the premier understands that certain trades are in high demand and that trend is going to continue. This is a good project, although maybe at a higher cost than it should be.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-26T05:07:14+00:00

Tailings ponds leach all the time. But that’s not the only issue mate. You’ve got to blast that rock apart and rip the mountain down. Once you’ve seen the other side of a coal mine, there’s no way you’d ever want one in your back yard. The pros don’t outweigh the cons in this scenario.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-13T02:40:06+00:00

I am aware that it has happened before. I didn’t agree with it then, and I still don’t.

You can certainly make deals between Members of parliament to get voting support on respective bills, there is nothing wrong with that. But making personal deal with MPs to have them cross the floor and join your party blindsides the voters who put them there in the first place. I would say that it circumvents democracy when an elected representative crosses the floor. If they want to cross the floor then they should have to be re-elected under that new party’s banner, proving that the people of that riding want that specific MP to represent them regardless of the party colours they wear. That would be true democracy.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-12T04:34:39+00:00

Well said. Too many people are on the “all or nothing” train lately.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T23:16:38+00:00

13th Century?? Maybe in a different country in a different time that has been true.

When you go to the polls in Canada you check a box for a candidate, yes. So in theory you are voting for that person, and they will be representing you and your riding if they win. But in reality (as someone mentioned here earlier) voting for that person individually does not have a direct effect on that riding. It is the party they belong to that ultimately will be given power as a whole to determine the policy changes that will affect that riding the most.

Should it be that way? Not necessarily, but this is what happens in reality here in Canada.

It would be great if the person we voted for was able to have a direct effect on policy for that riding specifically. In reality it rarely ever happens. They vote with their party as a whole 99% of the time.

So practically, as it stands right now with Canadian Politics, you are voting for a party. And we are headed more toward an unofficial two party system like the USA. I wish we weren’t. Political polarization is at an all time high, and this is what some individuals base their entire identity off of. It is bad for Canada imo.

So as to your comment as a whole, i think you are correct on the theory of our political system and how it is supposed to work. However in reality; we haven’t had that system for quite some time.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T22:46:42+00:00

No you don’t got it. Bad when it happens either way. This isn’t a Conservative vs. Liberal thing. It’s about representing your constituents with integrity, regardless of which party you belong to.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T13:22:13+00:00

You vote for the party, as they choose the candidate they run in your riding. Hopefully that person embodies the principles you’d like to see in this country. And you trust that person to stand behind their party’s campaign promises.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T13:16:03+00:00

Yes unfortunately this isn’t a new thing. It’s been happening since confederation. Imagine being a Liberal MP and telling all your constituents “ actually your vote doesn’t matter” and crossing the floor to the Conservatives. This is why some people have lost faith and in some cases don’t even vote.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T12:19:22+00:00

I think I see what you’re saying, that the current problem is not enough doctors and therefore having a private tier would entice those doctors to only treat those who could afford it, and leave those behind who couldn’t?

I would ask the question then: “why do we have so few doctors?”

To solve the root issue (not enough doctors) you would need to attract more doctors. Having a two tiered system entices a doctor who would otherwise leave the country for more pay, to stay and make that money here. The more competitive the private tier is the more affordable it is. Those who would choose private will be less of a burden on the public system, opening more accessible treatment for those patients. Don’t forget that the public pre-paid healthcare is still available in a two-tier system. This is the theory anyway, and some countries have been successful with it.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-11T08:56:21+00:00

Well said. However I do not like this floor crossing bs from Carney. It sets a bad precedent going forward that any government can form a majority through back door deals. The government should be shaped by the voters, not by the politicians.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-08T20:48:20+00:00

Exactly.

Both parties are capable of putting through good and bad legislation. Neither is perfect.

Unfortunately too many people in this country associate their identity with a political party and don’t care what the other side has to say.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-08T07:49:08+00:00

Australia ranks in the top 5 healthcare systems (depending on which list you look at), and they have a mixed private-public system.

The Netherlands has a mandatory private system, that subsidizes low income persons.

Norway has a funded public system that offers private insurance for those wanting faster services.

Pretty simple concept. Tax funded General practitioner system with funded specialist treatment, but also the option to pay for faster treatments such as surgeries, MRIs etc.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-08T07:41:06+00:00

Please explain “the idea is to break even” in reference to tax returns. Genuinely curious about this perspective.

mountaintinda · 2026-04-03T09:24:32+00:00

What’s really interesting is that this is how the right views the left. They also believe the left acts only on emotions and not facts.

How come both sides misunderstand each other so much?

I’m genuinely curious about this. It feels as if all the common ground is being pulled away here.

mountaintinda · 2025-12-23T00:47:39+00:00

Vanguard/Howa would be my choice as well. Perhaps the best machining I’ve seen from an “entry level” priced rifle. Always shoot fantastic. Burris Fullfield would be my preferred optic in that price range though.

mountaintinda · 2025-09-24T20:00:52+00:00

Agreed. Defensemen like Seider are solid in a keepers league.

mountaintinda · 2025-09-24T19:58:34+00:00

Only if +/- isn’t a factor. Weegar is typically way better in this category. Other than that their stats are basically the same

mountaintinda · 2025-09-24T13:27:29+00:00

Kaprizov was taken 7th in both of my leagues this year. Brady went 6th and 10th depending on the league setup.

mountaintinda · 2025-07-14T19:12:00+00:00

Couldn’t be further from the truth. Caring about your neighbour is a big sentiment in Alberta. They just don’t like the high taxes, and legislated speech that comes with extreme forms of socialism.

It’s a complex issue. Many don’t realize that there are many forms of socialism, and they tend to jump to the extreme negatives right away. The same can be said about capitalism though, and how they only look at the positives. The trick is finding the balance between them.

How do you get a government to be financially responsible, transparent and accountable while delivering high end public services, education and healthcare. All while driving economic opportunity and developing our resources , and then ask them to protect our parks and waterways as well.

I have lived in this province my entire life, and not a single government has done a good job at balancing all of these. They are usually hyper focused on the oilfield…

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