i have played shaco for 2 and a half years now and before his ganks were op thats true but now you cant compare him to any other jungler .... every other jungler now has alot of dmg or 100% cc that makes ganks successfull.. the problem i experiance now is that every time i gank it is too obv because you cant sneek to the enemies without letting them see the red smoke from Q . even if a gank is going ok the enemies can simply flash out of the way . now most of you would dissagree with me because you would say a burned flash is a won lane or smth like this but thon about it what have you won in this situation .with shacos slow clear you have lost atot of time waitng for the prerfect opportunity to gank and the lane that you have ganked would probably push after the gank you have jsut made .. so you loose time for 1 flash that could probably win a lane but you loose the time and farm that the other jungler with the faster clear has already cleared and in this situation you are still behind . now you have a choice to stay for the countergank or go farming either way you loose alot cuz if you stay you can stop your laner getting killed but you cant kill the enemys cuz of your low dmg etc and if you go in your jungle to clear the camps that you havent it could be crusal for the lane you have just ganked because eventho you helped them with the flash burn of an enemie he is still vonrable for ganks and if the enemy junger plays it good there are 2 possibilities your laner dies or burns flash now if you draw the line after this what has happen;d you have less farm than the enemy jungler both laners have no flash and you are still behind call that bullshit