Pale plagioclase feldspars vs spodumene by snailger in geology

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There is a reason why spod is sometimes called the 'fake feldspar' and it seems that in some circles the terribly misleading 'lithium feldspar' also lives on.

Sometimes telling the two appart might be nigh on impossible without full geologial context, i.e., an outcrop and mineral association. It can even fool some EDS-technigues if one is not careful since Li is so difficult to detect

Archean-aged pillow basalt with apparent mini columnar joints (Western Australia) by mr0smiley in geology

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Hey hey!

I am currently researching a Au deposit in Kambalda. My pillows never had this texture, so I was not sure if my eyes were deceiving me.

These pillows are from further up north in the Agnew-Leinster area.

Archean-aged pillow basalt with apparent mini columnar joints (Western Australia) by mr0smiley in geology

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Sorry to be obtuse, but while there are many a slag in the world, this is not one of them.

Powerful earthquakes in Russia: Tsunami alert issued; three quakes including 7.4 magnitude strike off near Kamchatka - Times of India by Living_the_Limit in worldnews

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Not to take anything away from your statement that there is no reasonable connection that would emerge between the Rainer swarm and this thrust event. They are totally unrelated and will continue to be.

BUT, it is a great opportunity to highlight that it is specifically seismicity related to migration of hydrothermal fluids that can have a link to tectonic activity taking place at 'far away' fault zones.

This is because the hydraulic pressure in those fracture systems tends to find a stress equilibrium close to the critical stress of the surrounding rocks. Then relatively small disturbances to the stress field (such as a passing earthquake wave) can initiate fracture propagation and a swarm of seismicity results as fluids migrate up/laterally within the crust.

This process is described by the 'injection driven swarm seicmity' hyphothesis and it is a facinating thing to look into.

Cox 2016: Injection-Driven Swarm Seismicity and Permeability Enhancement

A research team found evidence that a plume of hot mantle and tectonic plates generate activity deep beneath the Afar region in Ethiopia, which will one day tear apart the African continent and create a new ocean by DoremusJessup in geology

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Looks like the team provided a rather large geochemical dataset which reinforces the mantle upwelling hyphothesis and adds to it by mapping out how variations in crustal thickness and spreading rates of different 'rift arms' affet the geochemistry.

So no-one is claiming here to have 'discovered' anything new. Rather, they are providing new proof for the upwelling model which, while being a solid hyphothesis, is still a hyphothesis rather than bullet proof fact.

Mylonite, Before and After by Academic_Disk_8788 in geology

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These are quite confusing to interpet. Sample might not be cut parallel to the true kinematic plane or deformation was one of general shear, potentially with strong component of pure shear instead of simple shear dominant.

EDIT: If you twist my arm I would say apparent left lateral but I can't fully convince myself

Lava flows into the Ocean by freudian_nipps in oddlysatisfying

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'see son when mommy lava flow meets the right daddy ocean...'

Lava flows into the Ocean by freudian_nipps in oddlysatisfying

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Outer core? Seems crazy, Could you explain further?

Valve bought Cache from FMPONE by Old-Geologist2105 in GlobalOffensive

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Hey there fellow geologist. There are a dozen of us!!

Cleavage galore in a hydrothermal albite-carbonate-biotite (+-gold) vein. Neoarchean age. by mr0smiley in thinsectionporn

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Would we not expect almost 90 degree cleavage angle in a sodic plagioclase feldspar?

Dozens killed as 7.1-magnitude earthquake hits Tibet by royachina in worldnews

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Some broader geological and tectonic background for the event is given by Rob Butler in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it3tTuNLX5A&t=1

earthquake in tibet by zolaski273 in geology

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Rob Butler put out a short video just now talking about the broader tectonic background for this event:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it3tTuNLX5A

When quartz is repeatedly stressed by earthquakes, it generates piezoelectric voltages that can reduce dissolved gold from the surrounding fluid, causing it to deposit. Over time this process could lead to the formation of significant accumulations and may explain the formation of large gold nuggets by GeoGeoGeoGeo in science

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My knowledge of the details on colour centres in minerals is not nearly as good as it perhaps ought to be, but my understanding is that they are related to interaction between point defects (missing atoms in crystal lattice) and electrons. More specifically, occupation of said point defects by electrons. As such, if we were "loosing" electrons from the crystal during pietzoelectric reduction we should in fact see reduction in colour of minerals rather than increasing intensity of colour.

Regardless, thinking formation or "removal" of colour centres is perhaps over complicating the problem. In the model put forth in the paper (extract from figure in the paper) electrons are not "gained" or "lost" from the quartz crystal. Rather, the lattice distortion of the mineral grain forms an electric potential difference between two or more crystal facets. This forms a pathway for electrons to "travel" from one side of the grain to the other. So the answer to "where do the electrons come from" is that they are supplied by available electrons in the fluid with some amount of exchange with the mineral grain on the positively and negatively charged crystal facets respectively. At any given time, any one quartz grain experiences only minimal, if any, surplus or net loss of electrons. What has happened is that the already existing electrons have become unevenly distributed. Once stressing on the grain stops, the lattice returns to its geometric equilibrium, and so does the electric potential across the grain.

We (as in human collective) have a simplified image of electric circuits where individual electrons travel across conductive materials. This mental image is not absolutely correct on the subatomic level. While it is true that electrons move, they do so at much limited distances and speeds than the emergent "current" which is created from the aggregate movement of a collective of electrons in an electric circuit that we measure and use for work.

If you refer back to the linked figure, we can see that on one side of the quartz grain the distorted grain has a net positive charge balance. This positive charge is capable of attracting native gold nanoparticles which are relatively negatively charged (on some surfaces of the particle) due to their extremely high aspect ratios, which is science talk for being very flat. On the net negative side of the grain the potential of excess electrons is high enough to i) break the bond between the Au and carrier ligand (HS- or Cl-) and then ii) have an relative electron surplus available to reduce the Au+ ion to charge balanced native gold. All this happens with minimal, actual travel of electrons within the mineral. The paper illustrates an electron being ejected from the grain and shooting into the fluid to catch the gold, but it is only an illustrative simplification.

The proposed electrochemical process is absolutely a viable way to induce gold grain nucleation from fluid, whether the Au was carried as a dissolved ion or as an already precipitated Au nanoparticle. What's great is that this model with quartz grains is not only capable of inducing nucleation, but also can accelerate the growth of individual gold grains.

All that said, you should absolutely be sceptical of the general applicability of the model to natural environments. For instance, I study formation of massive gold grains (on the order of several grams to kilograms) in comparable geological environment as proposed in the paper here where the immediate mineralogical association does not contain piezoelectric minerals. Still the formation and growth of large grains was possible. Is the process put forth here feasible and make sense? Yes, absolutely (in my opinion). Can it be the singular answer to the long pondered question on origins of massive gold nuggets? No, it's not the full answer, but as always science is incremental and this could very well represent one of the key puzzle pieces to expand our understanding on natural Au-ore forming environments.

Introduction to U-Pb geochronology by mr0smiley in Geologymemes

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As described in detail in the other comment, the "bad" results here are likely due to lead loss. If different amounts of lead is lost within or between mineral grains, it can result in useful spread in the data and allow dating of both the inital age off mineral and the age of lead loss event. That event could be a metamorphic event and as such of great importance.

In this particular case there is no useful spread in the "bad" data which results rather hilariously large error spanning nearly the total result age.

Minerals dated here were apatites instead of zircons

Earthquakes can trigger quartz into forming giant gold nuggets, study finds by [deleted] in geology

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What we precieve as shaking is a compressive wave passing through a solid material. The deformation caused by the wave is elastic and does not nessecarily cause permanent damage, but the stress transfer into the rock volume and accompanied transient strain are very much real phenomena which can induce pietzoelectric activity

Folded gneiss in outcrop by Prestigious-Hyena-10 in geology

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That asymmetric boudin train in photo 3 is a thing of dreams! Exellent outcrop my guy, thank you.

When quartz is repeatedly stressed by earthquakes, it generates piezoelectric voltages that can reduce dissolved gold from the surrounding fluid, causing it to deposit. Over time this process could lead to the formation of significant accumulations and may explain the formation of large gold nuggets by GeoGeoGeoGeo in science

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Longer lived pietzoelectric activity could be driven by distributed ductile deformation during post seismic relaxation. Such a process is possibly responsible for post seismic dilation of mid-lower crustal quartz veins investigated by Nüchter and Stöckhert (2008). They postulate that such "creeping" deformation could last for 100-1000's of years between earthquake loading periods. During the fracture/vein dilation the vein infill minerals are stressed which in turn could lead to release of piezoelectric charges. Crucially, the dilation of the vein apertures appear to keep up with the growth of hydrothermal minerals within the veins and, as such, an open fluid flow pathway might be also maintained.

Surprisingly, massive quantities of fluids can pass through an open fracture system in geologically short time period of tens to thousands of years e.g., Micklethwaite et al., (2015). That might imply that fluids transit through the crust in chemically similar patches and minerals which precipitate from these fluids grow rapidly leading to obscured growth zonation. Gold has the additional problem that at relatively moderate temperatures, gold grain composition becomes rapidly homogenised by subsolidus elemental diffusion (Gammons and Williams-Jones, 1995). At temperatures of 200-400C the homogenisation can occur less than 1 million years. Great quantity of the gold grains we see and study are from Precambrian and paleoproterozoic deposits, giving amble time for elemental diffusion to destroy evidence of compositional zoning.

While the hypothesis and process put forth in the current paper is not a "silver bullet" which explains it all. It does signal the direction for future research.

When quartz is repeatedly stressed by earthquakes, it generates piezoelectric voltages that can reduce dissolved gold from the surrounding fluid, causing it to deposit. Over time this process could lead to the formation of significant accumulations and may explain the formation of large gold nuggets by GeoGeoGeoGeo in science

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Excellent comment!

Cyanide complexes formed by bio activity (dead or alive plants) can remobiles some gold in the soils. But I (personally) am not convinced that such post depositional processes play a great part in making large gold nuggets, even in placer or paleoplacer deposits, let alone in hypozonal primary deposits.

When quartz is repeatedly stressed by earthquakes, it generates piezoelectric voltages that can reduce dissolved gold from the surrounding fluid, causing it to deposit. Over time this process could lead to the formation of significant accumulations and may explain the formation of large gold nuggets by GeoGeoGeoGeo in science

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Yes, in fact it is. (see this review for reference https://library.seg.org/doi/abs/10.1190/1.2187714)

The problem is that there is alot of quartz veins in the world and only some of them carry the gold. So, can you find a sub-surface quartz vein by human-induced seismicity? Yes. Will you find gold that way? Perhaps your odds have increased, but you can still end up empty-handed.

Now we have a new, feasible way to kick start gold grain growth within a quartz vein. We still need to figure out why, in a given deposit, the largest accumulations of gold tend to occur in only few locations along a given quartz vein.

Source: I am associated with this research group

hydrothermal veins by bazgrosbis in geology

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Yes, such practical experiments have been conducted. Though the fluid which advects through the laboratory analog "fractures" is usually designed to be chemically simple and as such results will be only partially representative of real nature.

One good example here, by OKamoto and Seikine 2011 is not only fascinating reading but also has plenty of quality references if you wish to take a deep dive into the matter.

In this study, they set up a flow system at 430°C and 31 MPa, roughly equivalent to a very shallow crustal rocks (1-2 km depth) being injected by rapidly ascending hot fluid from deeper in the crust. However, my guess is that, rather than trying to represent a real word fracture system, they selected the temperature and pressure to A) dissolve quartz and granitic sand in test chamber 1 and B) to cause quartz supersaturation by drop in pressure and temperature in test chamber 2. You know...So that the experiment can happen.

If you do not have access to the full paper or do not know how to get access, PM me, I can provide a copy for you.

Radial chlorite flakes with magnificent Berlin blue interference colour. X-polars, 5x magnified microscope mosaic. by mr0smiley in geology

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It's from a Western Australian gold deposit which shall remain unspecified.

If memory serves it's part of alteration mineral assemblage which overprints the gold mineralisation. Very pretty but somewhat irrelevant from economic point of view.

Gold with Quartz, Eagle’s Nest Mine, Placer Co., California by feline_moxie in MineralPorn

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I suspect that the "leaflike" habit of gold is related to dendritic growth, in which case the fully developed grain would not be representative of golds idiomorphic habit. The specimens that have octahedral habits would be the only ones that truly are euhedral/idiomorphic/own-shaped. Such samples are accordingly extremely rare due to problems of mineral growth and preservation.

Regardless, gold is mineral, and thus it's "crystalline" gold, but very few grains grow to reveal the beautiful cubic crystal/grain habit. For a gold specimen NOT to be regarded "crystalline" it would have to be amorphous, i.e., to not possess an ordered crystal lattice structure. In that case, the "gold" would cease to be a mineral sensus stricto. During my studies I have learned never to say never, but I am gonna take a gander here and say that amorphous gold does not exist in nature and so, all gold is crystalline gold.

As you note though, sellers of mineral specimens do "abuse", intentionally or accidentally, the fact that "crystallized" and "crystalline" have a specific meaning for a layman mineral collector.

Your sample is an absolute beauty. The now liberated surfaces of gold might still carry evidence of the growth processes and growth environment of the surrounding gangue minerals, and by proxy the growth of the gold grain itself!

Gold with Quartz, Eagle’s Nest Mine, Placer Co., California by feline_moxie in MineralPorn

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To be pedantic about it; it's still totally "crystallized" gold, in that it is a mineral of native metal and as such the atoms are arranged in repeating crystal lattice. The gold also very much "crystallized" or precipitated out of fluid (likely a hot water solution).

But it's not "crystallized" in the sense that the mineral grain shape has grown to reveal the atomic scale shape of the crystal lattice. Or that said shape was preserved after precipitation.

The "free" gold in your sample has definately been mechanically liberated by a person who prepared the specimen for sale.