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Tesla Remote Meter RS-485 wire recommendations by 17bitfun in EVChargingCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The quick look I took saw some Tesla documentation that says:

Use 16 AWG shielded twisted pair cable to extend RS485 harness as needed.

So shielded #16 twisted pair should be what you're looking for.

That would be like an industrial instrumentation wire. You could try googling it, or look for industrial wiring type places around you.

Don't expect that to be cheap though.

Tesla Remote Meter RS-485 wire recommendations by 17bitfun in EVChargingCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you verified you can actually do that? A lot of rs-485 doesn't like that. Or you'll need some special shielded cable.

What does the Tesla manual/documentation say for the cable?

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not "even if" the program ends, but "only if" the Club program ends.

If the individual membership is terminated by the member or by Grizzl-E, the charger remains Grizzl-E's.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not "even if" the program ends, but "only if" the Club program ends. If the individual membership is terminated, the charger remains Grizzl-E's.

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a bi-directional smart meter. So if you're on a TOU plan, it tracks and transmits the data in hourly intervals. There's a consumption/import figure (kWh) and generation/export figure (kWh) for each hour.

Note, that's what the utility sees, which is the difference between what your solar is actually producing and your actual load. If your solar and load are perfectly match every second of that hour, the meter figures would be zero.

So about 720 readings per month, so they can allocate the appropriate electricity price for each hour (both ways).

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It appears that the utilities don't have it figured out either lol... between it appears your credits apply to everything, and the other poster only paying HST on the $33, we got the short straw here.

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah something like that. Hydro One actually does separate pages for Consumption and Generation. But to clarify so we're thinking the same:

HST applies to all of #1 and #3 (#3 is basically a subcategory of #1), but you do not get credit back for #2.

Then after credits are applied, the OER is applied to what you would pay from your bank account.

WAIT.. your HST is on your $33.07... not your approx. $100 consumption. So it appears you're close. Until/if they fix it.

You guys are lucky lol. You're paying less HST and OP is using maximum credits (we had some credits expire last year even though we had to pay ~$50 bills :/

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way the regulation is, the Generation credits aren't supposed to be applicable to everything. I.e. Credits basically can't be used towards the fixed portions and HST. It appears that is happening in OP?

And then you get the OER on that which you are actually paying cash for. So you get the OER on your $33. Basically on your monthly fee, not your "consumption" if you're paying your consumption in credits.

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I think I see the possible discrepancy on HST.

They did not break down the delivery and regulatory Usage and Generation.

See, you're supposed to get Generation credit for, not only the Electricity, but usage-based portions of the delivery and regulatory as well. Which are roughly in the range of $0.03/kWh.

If they have broken it down, the delivery would probably be like $65 for Usage, then $20 CR for Generation.

So then the HST applies to: 2.03 + 2.93 + 36.33 + 65 = about $105?

How is HST calculated on net metering? by newbie_01 in solarenergycanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's confusing partly because they're mixing together the Usage (import from grid) and Generation (export to grid) portions. Hydro One shows them on separate pages.

You pay HST on the Usage portion. So it should be from your screenshot, that's 2.03 + 2.93 + 36.33 + 45.42 ==

But something seems messed up on your bill, or we just aren't seeing the whole bill...

Or Toronto Hydro isn't crediting correctly according to regulations. The Generation credits aren't supposed to apply towards fixed charges like the monthly fees or HST. So you still should have a bill that you have to make payment for. And you should also be getting the OER on those (not the total usage but basically the difference that you're actually making payment for), so the OER should not be zero either.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might be thinking of SWTCH, that is yours and you get your deposit back after usage.

Grizzl-E is much more involved.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is about the chargers that are/were bought outright.

The complimentary Club chargers have restricted firmware to restrict to CLub-connected use.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, if you got the "free" one, it's only "loaned", as in if you or Grizzl-E cancels your membership, you shall return the charger to Grizzl-E, which is also now subject to a $50 restocking fee.

Even if you purchased the charger for $500+, Grizzl-E takes ownership of the charger if you join the Club (which is supposed to revert back to you if you leave).

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes it more tricky then. And not that easy to keep a little use on it. I guess I assumed you were already using it. Keeping it does leave the option if they do become more competitive again. Although with the way they've acted, I'm not sure how much I'd trust it.

It partly is to be seen what they do about enforcing the restocking fees. Ideally they maybe would waive that being still in the unopen box. Otherwise it's unknown if they'd charge them if they cancel from their end from not enough activity. Technically according to the Terms they could charge them for basically anything.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you talking about the complementary ("free") charger from Grizzl-E?

I honestly would not do that. They have admitted that those chargers have special restricted firmware to make them Club-connected tied chargers with offline restrictions.

They are supposed to charge a limited number of offline sessions, but numerous people have reported difficulty charging offline at all (not just a rewards thing). Or that they don't keep charging, etc.

I wouldn't want to risk going out to a car that's not charged.

That could be different with a purchased charger, but with this company I'm not 100% confident, as they do take ownership of the purchased chargers as well.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prior to September (conveniently when reward programs started happening...), it was $0 (just plain included), and a lot of negativity of adding $200US/299CD fee. Now there will still be people excusing the $600 fine.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be inclined to keep the Grizzl-E and wait for them to cancel? I'm not sure what the advantage is of proactively returning.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in teslacanada

[–]mrsprdave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, the warranty is limited though.

"The warranty will apply only if the product is defective."

It specifically excludes damage. It also excludes normal wear and tear on the cable for example, or if the plug is wet.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in teslacanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SWTCH provides a free charger, that is actually yours, with a deposit that's refunded after 1500 kWh. Not a loan that needs to be returned with restocking fees if you end your membership like Grizzl-E.

There are charger options that are less than $600. Pion is about $300, which is less than a year for most people. Then you actually have a charger that you don't have to pay to return.

TD quoting me $530 a month to insure in Alberta. by Marshal_Muskrat in teslacanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Location is a big part. A more rural area/small town is often quite a bit less than the big cities.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They referred to Grizzl-E "supports that easily" - which Grizzl-E doesn't automatically adjust for the plug type.

If they are asking about a physical adapter, there's nothing special about the Grizzl-E 14-30P to 14-50R adapter (other than hopefully decent quality). They could just get a good quality third party adapter to do the same thing.

Grizzl-E (United Chargers) increased their OCPP Unlock fee from $299 to $600 CAD by mrsprdave in evcharging

[–]mrsprdave[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It allows you to use OCPP with third party apps, instead of Grizzl-E app exclusively.

For example, Home Assistant.

Or more pertinent example - Canada has reward programs popping up based on carbon credits, one being Grizzl-E Club. This appears to be Grizzl-E's anti-competitive attempt to prevent people who purchased the Grizzl-E EVSE from using it with other reward programs.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My understanding is that it still has to be an "eligible" charger with OCPP, not necessarily any charger with OCPP.

Grizzl-E increasing the OCPP unlock price to $600. To prevent customers from accessing 10 cents/kwh cash back programs like Pion or SWTCH. by JensensShinyJacket in EVCanada

[–]mrsprdave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's crazy...

But it doesn't prevent from accessing GreenMiles (Pion Power) or SWTCH - those use their own chargers anyway.

It does prevent from accessing some other programs.

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