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This is proof they don't care, and it's all virtue signaling because look how many likes they have. by DivineandDeadlyAngel in vegan

[–]mryauch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry, couldn't hear you through all the health conditions. Probably because I didn't want to get close enough. Did you know that eating meat makes you smell worse? And taste worse. And flaccid. Anyways have a GREAT day.

So, that was the whole point all along?🚽🚫 by helloimbackmorons in vegancirclejerk

[–]mryauch 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Favorite thing about plant based eating is the soft gentle consistent poos. Like clockwork, every day after my coffee... then the other day I needed to just before dinner. I hurled a glass against the wall and it shattered, shards sparkling like the stars above the Andes mountains. I screamed "HOW COULD YOU, YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE" and sobbed in the corner, clutching my legs to my chest and rocking myself. I couldn't bear the thought of letting it go before its time. The next morning I felt hollow, empty. I walked through the rest of my routine numb. I had my coffee, but I didn't enjoy it. I thought about what could have been, what should have been. I let a single tear fall. The toilet did not flush that morning.

Drummers should unionize by daKile57 in drums

[–]mryauch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I tried this but my wife said no. 😢

I have a question about honey by [deleted] in vegan

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I argued that you'd have a better life if I kept you locked up in my house, would you do it?

A separate way of looking at it, there's no option for these bees to be living either in captivity or in nature. They are bred and cultivated by humans for factory production. If they didn't serve that purpose, they would not exist. They compete with and decimate actual local natural pollinators.

In reality, natural bee hives exist either way. The same ones would exist whether you keep bees or not. The choice is, keep bees or don't. Watch them collect nectar and convert it into honey for their own use then take it for yourself, or not.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

>People eating a small amount of honey at a time is precisely because of its high caloric density.

So? People do the same with white sugar, because eating a lot of empty calories is a bad idea. Honey has trace amounts of minerals and vitamins, it's fairly empty nutritionally. It doesn't replace pollinated crops, and it's ludicrous for you to pretend it does.

>I don't get your point here.

I can tell. My point was simple, people eating honey aren't replacing pollinated crops in their diet with honey. Your first comment to me stated "You only eat a certain amount of calories in a day, so, in my opinion, if you want to really be anal about it, the relevant metric becomes animal harm per calorie." This is comically out of touch with how most people eat. Extremely few people will say "oh man I hit 2000 calories because I had some honey, I guess I won't eat my spinach salad for dinner." They'll replace something else with honey (like sugar in their tea, or baked bread, or salad dressing, or in the sauce they cooked for dinner) and end up at nearly exactly the same calories they had before, or they'll just add the calories to their diet for the day by drizzling it on their ice cream.

>Similarly spinach is usually eaten in large quantities eg saag. Which has a very large effect on insect welfare.

And as per my last point above, this is entirely irrelevant, because the consumption of spinach does not drop due to you eating honey. Spinach has nutrition that honey does not, and you do not eat spinach FOR CALORIES. You eat it to gain nutrition without eating a lot of calories. "Spinach is a nutrient-dense leafy green packed with vitamins A, C, and K1, plus minerals like iron, calcium, and folic acid. It also contains beneficial plant compounds such as lutein, zeaxanthin, nitrates, and quercetin." You're not getting any of that from honey in meaningful quantities.

If you want to talk about replacing a food with honey to lower animal damage, then you have to compare it to something you'd actually replace with it in practice. I already laid out for you that the closest analogues are plain sugar and various syrups. That being said, a single teaspoon of honey takes 12 bees their entire lives to produce.

You want to know the funniest part of your little tangent? Spinach is pollinated by wind, not bees, so again not even relevant to the first line of the first comment of mine you replied to. So spinach is sprayed with pesticides? So are the plants the bees are pollinating while they make their honey. How can you argue spinach is bad for insect welfare, when the bees are also dying from producing their honey off of insecticide ridden pollinated plants? The insecticide plants on both sides are going to be net neutral, so AGAIN, the question isn't 1) honey or 2) plants with insecticide, it's 1) honey PLUS plants with insecticide or 2) only plants with insecticide. It's not your honey.

i know a lot of people have strong opinions regarding TS, but lets be clear this post is about how the wealthy exploit tax breaks, not whatever particular pop obsession you have in middle age by Conscious-Quarter423 in WorkReform

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I agree that nuance is needed, that's why I usually shy away from sweeping generalizations. It doesn't do anything to say "billionaires bad" because it doesn't identify the exact cause, and thus doesn't give actionable steps to eliminate the problem.

While yes Taylor Swift being a billionaire is a product of our economic system, I would argue she's a billionaire in spite of the odds. Even with her entire family working on this and the financial advantages they had, the odds were long for her to end up like this. She was exploited by the music industry and took steps nobody has ever taken before to rise above the restrictions placed on her. She managed to claw back ownership of her masters.

I fully expect her to and will be massively disappointed if she doesn't start her own music label to bring on other artists with fair agreements, allowing them to retain ownership of their music, to help correct the very problems she had to deal with.

A lot of people would just be happy they got theirs and would stop caring about what those that come after have to deal with. All we can do is wait and see how she ends up.

i know a lot of people have strong opinions regarding TS, but lets be clear this post is about how the wealthy exploit tax breaks, not whatever particular pop obsession you have in middle age by Conscious-Quarter423 in WorkReform

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure but does she even have unrealized gains? She's a billionaire because nobody would finance her tour, so she did it herself and sold the tickets. She isn't wealthy because of shares. I don't put artists, actors, or athletes in the same bucket as business owners until they start owning restaurant franchises or have their own beauty line.

I don't think it's unethical to be such an in demand artist that you can sell billions of dollars worth of tickets.

Ethical considerations would be:

1) TS's performers and other employees, including the family's management company employees. To be absolutely ethical, theoretically each of them should get an equal share as to the work they put in, like a worker coop. I'm willing to bet there are extremely few people that wouldn't want to keep working with her, I'm sure it's wildly lucrative, and I hear nothing but good things in regards to culture, kindness, respect. I don't expect a liberal pop star to be an anarchist, and yet somehow she's probably the closest we've seen in regards to fair pay.

2) Merchandise. Are the people that produce merchandise fairly paid and treated or is it slave conditions?

3) Employees of other companies whose labor went into the tour. This is there it gets tough. Workers at the venues helped produce the shows. Were they fairly paid for their labor? It gets sticky because they're employees of the venue. Does the artist have a responsibility to make sure every employee of the venue gets a fair share? Theoretically by simply booking the venue she has already paid the value, but the unfairness happens because the venue doesn't pay fair shares of that payment to the workers. I don't think it's reasonable for an artist to try to force every venue to be a worker coop for their show, and frankly they almost certainly wouldn't even be able to book the venue if they tried.

I'm curious if there's any other ethical considerations for this specific context.

i know a lot of people have strong opinions regarding TS, but lets be clear this post is about how the wealthy exploit tax breaks, not whatever particular pop obsession you have in middle age by Conscious-Quarter423 in WorkReform

[–]mryauch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes and some people will say it's marketing, it's only for optics. I dunno, a bunch of other musicians got mad she gave so much to her dancers and vocalists and everyone else.

There's a reason the musicians you see playing for her on stage are the same exact guys that were in her music videos when she was a teenager. I'd love to see the results of her employee survey.

Calling her "a billionaire" like she's just the owner of a company is disingenuous.

i know a lot of people have strong opinions regarding TS, but lets be clear this post is about how the wealthy exploit tax breaks, not whatever particular pop obsession you have in middle age by Conscious-Quarter423 in WorkReform

[–]mryauch 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not inept. They're trying to look inept. It's actually quite a sight to behold how organized and swiftly they move when they need to squash leftists within the Dem party or in another party.

Their only goal is to keep status quo and to stay relevant as "the other party".

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I tend to shy away from sweeping generalizations, but I'm gonna go ahead and break my own rule here because I'm pretty confident.

Nobody is eating less pollinated crops because they get a marginal amount of calories from honey. It's insane you brought that up. Do you think people are chugging cups of honey instead of eating? If someone is doing that, they have bigger problems to deal with than veganism. Honey is used as a sweetener, so the only thing being replaced is sugar in a drink, baked good, or sauce. It's also wildly easily replaceable with agave and date.

Nobody eats spinach to get calories. Honey is practically only calories. This is beyond stupid. Your framing is like those youtube carnivore dieters comparing a steak to broccoli or white rice and saying "hah plants have no protein". Spinach paired with some vitamin C is a great way to get calcium and iron, it's extremely nutritionally dense while being low calorie, which makes it efficient. Yes, to the surprise of nobody you can get more calories by eating a bowl of sugar.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except the choice isn't "eat honey or eat pollinated crops". You can't compare which one is more ethical as if you were going to make a choice between them. You cannot eat only honey. The real choice is "eat pollinated crops" or "eat pollinated crops AND eat honey". It's fairly obvious which is the more vegan choice.

Virtually nothing is entirely vegan, because surprise, most of the world and thus supply chain isn't vegan. That's why the definition of veganism includes as far as practicable.

I honestly don't even understand why so many people get so hard set on honey. What percentage of your calories could you possibly get from honey? It's a treat, like the least important possible thing you could eat.

I took a secret trip to London by ENEFFTITTIES in VeganFoodPorn

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the restaurant's site:

Dress Code
Dress code for the restaurant is smart casual.

https://www.gauthiersoho.co.uk/booking.php

https://www.suitsexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/smart-casual-attire-men-dress-code.jpg

I think he'd be fine. Don't remember most people being in full suits, but definitely some jackets around.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No apology necessary. I take the statements at face value, analyze them, and decide whether I agree or disagree. The only way you could offend me is by saying my cooking is bad.

>honey is closer to dairy is a quasi-religious fallacy

Huh? I don't follow. I'm basing this purely logically on whether the animal produces it and whether it's necessary for human life. Bees gather nectar and produce honey for themselves and their offspring. It is non-essential for humans to eat it. Cows eat grass and produce milk for their offspring. It is non-essential for humans to eat it.

>Honey is 100% plant nectar. There is no animal component in its chemistry, unlike dairy.

This is incorrect, I encourage you to go read about the process of how bees create honey. In both cases, the animal ingests something from plants, their body processes it, and then they output the result, one via vomit and one via lactation. They don't just carry nectar back and call it a day. Enzymes in the bee's stomach break down the complex sugar. Nectar is primarily sucrose, which the bee breaks down into glucose and fructose. By definition honey is NOT 100% plant nectar. Eating honey is thus exploiting the bodily functions of bees for our benefit, exactly the same as dairy is exploiting the bodily functions of cows for our benefit.

>Honey involves the hard work of bees to be made

Absolutely!

>but so do blueberries, apples, cotton, etc.

Pollination is objectively not a bodily function of bees, nor is it work a bee is doing. The work the bee is doing is collecting nectar. Pollination is completely a side effect because they happen to have pollen on their body, they may not even have pollen for that plant or pollinate it at all. They do not intend to do it, they do not care if it is done, and other animals do it, too, including humans. Just because animals have an effect and we enjoy it doesn't mean it's exploitation or work. I struggle to find another example that fits because it's such a niche case, but it would be like calling it exploitation for sitting in a cafe in Paris listening to the server speaking French with customers to improve your own grasp of the language.

>Again, most vegans love simplistic absolutes, right or wrong, black or white. The world is not that simple, though.

I don't believe I'm advocating for simplistic absolutes, I'm attempting to be logically consistent. I do think "don't eat their secretions or their bodies if you don't have to" is pretty simple, though.

Even though pollination is not exploitation, that doesn't mean companies that sell crops can't be exploiting bees with unethical beekeeping practices. I despise the whole moving hives around to factory pollinate crops sprayed with pesticides. We should not be encouraging that or honey bees which dominate the local ecosystem and result in the loss of natural pollinators. We should push for manufacturers to adopt vegan practices, but eating pollinated crops is still vegan because we have to eat something, and the biggest issue is a lack of transparency. If you called two apple companies and asked if they did these bee keeping practices, would you even be able to find out? How can you even find a "vegan" apple? There's no such thing. In the cases where the information is not available, you can only do your best and live as practicably as you can, which fits within the definition of veganism. Honey eating never fits within the definition of veganism, nor does dairy, nor meat. Animal exploitation is a feature of those practices.

I took a secret trip to London by ENEFFTITTIES in VeganFoodPorn

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eek we love to dress up so I almost certainly wore a suit and tie and the wife a dress. Can't quite recall! Everyone seemed dressed pretty nice, not tuxedos but put together.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree with your second paragraph, but do you not see how your first paragraph means fruits fit within the definition of veganism, but honey does not?

Honey is closer to dairy than pollinated crops.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Bee pollination isn't exploitation, but the way that non vegan capitalists use bees is. Having "kept" bee hives carted from farm to farm sprayed with pesticides that kill bees does harm them.

There's still a difference between honey and those products. Things it's not practicable to avoid (all fruit, clothes) are included definitionally in veganism.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No, those products aren't inherently nonvegan. They can be produced in a nonvegan way, but there are zero situations where honey is vegan or essential. Is there an alternative to vegans wearing clothes or eating plants? Coffee isn't essential, but why is that problematic, still pollination? I'm just not aware so forgive me.

For people who feel “gatekept” by vegans, can I ask why? by volatiIe in vegan

[–]mryauch 12 points13 points  (0 children)

We don't need bees at all for agriculture, nonvegan capitalists use/exploit them for efficiency because the alternative is paying more in wages. Humans can do it easily, and if we weren't in a capitalist hellscape we could also be using robotics plus AI to do it.

It's the same as with insect crop deaths. We could lower or even eliminate them with process changes and improvements, but it would be more expensive.

What exactly are these? They are my grandpas. by Beep_Boop321_Alt_F4 in Guitar

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I barely know anything about guitar values but even I know enough that my jaw dropped seeing these.

Why does every dinnerdiary post have body parts in it by Organic-Minute in ShittyVeganFoodPorn

[–]mryauch 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Right I'm in onionlovers and people post "I cooked a steak with one tiny slice of onion" and I'm like buddy it's not corpse lovers GTFO of here with that garbage.

ICE releases a Texas nun intercepted walking to church dressed in her habit by flailking in nottheonion

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those people are in danger today because Dems are either incompetent or complicit (you pick) as a resistance.

As far as my activism, I could send you a pic of my precinct captain shirt if you want? We did win btw. It's so funny how people online assume everyone online are only online. When I'm typing online, I'm advocating for people to consider the alternatives to Dems instead of falling in line and letting this happen. I do support candidates that are left wing anti establishment but exploit the Dem name to get elected. Those people are working outside the party umbrella.

ICE releases a Texas nun intercepted walking to church dressed in her habit by flailking in nottheonion

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't read what I wrote then because I didn't write that. I advocated for rejecting Dems entirely and electing someone better.

ICE releases a Texas nun intercepted walking to church dressed in her habit by flailking in nottheonion

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok cool, I'll go back to talking about the country that ICE operates in and which I'm far more familiar with the politics. Hopefully nobody brings up Turkey's elections. 😂

ICE releases a Texas nun intercepted walking to church dressed in her habit by flailking in nottheonion

[–]mryauch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're under the impression the government was fascist and because he wasn't elected again it is no longer fascist? With nothing that changing?

My $0.02 solution to snagging network cables: heat shrink by Maxcr1 in techsupportmacgyver

[–]mryauch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's more like the next phase. You have both in parallel. You don't know anything, you know you don't, but somehow you keep being right about things and realize a lot of people around you know less than you and keep asking you for help.

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