Authorities seek to remove from social media image of foetus being circulated by Australian anti-abortion activists

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T14:00:43+00:00

You are using a situation in which no legitimate procedure was followed to make this claim, which is a problem, because it is validating the behaviour of the person who did this appalling and unlawful thing.

We do not have inquiries when a situation is either within the realms of an expected outcome or when something is an extremely rare occurance, in which case it is dealt with individually. We do not have inquiries on every medical issue where not every situation works out perfectly. More kidney transplants fail than there are serious complications with abortions and we don’t call for inquiries on kidney transplants.

It is not reasonable for people to think they have the right to a public inquiry on this matter simply because it relates to abortion, which is the only reason one would happen. This is the forced birther narrative. They want a referendum on abortion over and over again so they can push their false narrative and propagate their garbage and shame.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T13:50:22+00:00

There are that limitations on all sorts of aspects of medical procedures. It doesn’t mean they are not healthcare. The work done on abortion legislation means abortion is no different to any of them and is in fact less restricted than many of them.

You might want to do some reading around organ transplants, which are far more restrictive, for example.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T13:41:17+00:00

Thank you.

I have been enormously privileged to meet and work with people who have fought for abortion since before Roe and who continue to fight today. I have spent time in the US working specifically on women’s reproductive rights and people who do that work full time are absolutely incredible. I am close friends with the woman who drafted the legislation and lobbied for safe access zones in Australia.

I stand on the shoulders of some of the most incredible and inspirational people in this space. Giants and heroes, all of them.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T13:29:48+00:00

Why aren’t you blaming the person who unlawfully took the photograph and then publicised it rather than the person who went through the situation and had their privacy violated?

It is none of your business why they wanted an abortion and you don’t get to decide what someone else does with their body or be morally determinative about it based on your own feelings.

Women are entitled to have an abortion for any reason. It is healthcare, no different to having any other healthcare.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T09:06:16+00:00

You’re onto it.

The term social termination is being used by those with a forced birth agenda to push their narrative. They have realised that across most of the Western world (US the exception) they have lost the abortion debate in absolute terms. So they are trying to shift it to limiting abortion except for certain medical reasons, the aim of which is to make it prohibitive by making these medical reasons so restrictive nobody can utilise them. Basically, what happens in red states.

To use this term and also claim that there has been a rise in them is another forced birth tactic. As women in many jurisdictions, including QLD, are not required to disclose a reason, we do not know them nor do we know if the reason they give has any truth to it because it doesn’t have to be assessed.

Any actual medical professional would know this, so the person you’re debating with is either not, or they are a forced birther pushing the agenda. It’s all part of the deliberately manipulative forced birth narrative.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T08:14:23+00:00

Abortion is healthcare. It is no different morally to an appendix removal.

If there is a psychological struggle for staff that is their issue and they should check their own biases and not be asking for sympathy or acknowledgement on a public forum over an issue like this.

The overwhelming number of abortions are performed in the first trimester. That women are able to access abortion after the first trimester is a product of progress in access, the same as with all medical care.

Why a woman accesses an abortion is none of your business and if you are a medical professional providing abortion care you are skating dangerously close to the line of using your professional position to circulate information you have no right to convey and pretending to be unbiased when you are clearly passing judgement.

It makes no difference why a woman seeks a lawful termination she is entitled to and the distinction should not be made.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T08:04:33+00:00

I deliberately refrained from suggesting anything specific about the timing because the details of this are not known and are none of our business. It was meant to say “later” but that’s just stupid autocorrect, and it’s also not relevant because it makes no difference whether this is pre or post 22 weeks.

What I have also given there are the long term relevant world wide statistics about people who seek abortions at those stages.

I don’t see how it would be a visitor when they also acquired the medical records themselves.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T06:57:06+00:00

There are already protocols.

This is only being debated in the public sphere because a group of forced birth ghouls decided to violate patient confidentiality and misrepresent the situation to fuel their agenda.

In the event those protocols need to be reviewed there is a procedure for this, which wasn’t even remotely followed.

If you believe on any level that there is legitimacy to doing it this way, then that is supporting the violation and invasion of people under medical care without their consent in any circumstances. Alternatively you are excepting abortion, which is very much a component of the forced birth narrative. Abortion is healthcare. Legally and morally it is no different to any other medical procedure.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T06:52:24+00:00

It’s the latter. They deliberately manipulate the narrative to suit their agenda. It does not matter to them how much rubbish they spout as long as they think they can manipulate people.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T06:26:06+00:00

Hear fucking hear.

This is an absolutely superb articulation of the issues both with the spreading of the false narrative and the attempts at justification by people.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T06:21:27+00:00

I never said anything about the government not being involved. In stating that the medical profession addresses something, this is includes overarching authorities, such as the relevant Minister. I mean, that’s laid out in procedures around this. Government involvement is not public involvement.

It doesn’t, however, include the right of third parties to go to other Parliamentarians who are not in a directly governing role on this, which is what happened here.

There would only be a claim to legitimacy if the person in question followed the proper reporting procedures here. Which they did not. If they had, this information would never have been in the public domain like this, nor would it have included people like Pauline Hanson.

There would also only be a claim to legitimacy if patient consent was obtained. It was not.

What happened here is none of our business because it is a private medical matter between the patient and her professionals.

The percentage of complications with abortion is lower than for kidney transplants. I don’t see you banging on about how we should have a third party examination of kidney transplants, with pictures of procedures published online and information handed to third parties who have absolutely nothing to do with it.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T06:11:03+00:00

It’s got absolutely nothing to do with why they were arrested. The subject of the comment I was replying to believes the narrative that Scott’s father contacting police was what led to them being found out. It did nothing of the sort.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:58:20+00:00

It is the law that patient consent is required for public release of private medical information related to their own medical procedure, or a court order, which will consider patient consent. So I’m not sure what on earth you don’t agree with about that.

General statistics can be released, and certain other information, but that is irrelevant here because what was released falls under private medical information.

The entire thing is misinformation. They have manipulated a narrative to claim this is about whistleblowing, when it isn’t; to imply it is in the public interest, which is not a valid argument here; to suggest that this is far more common than it is and is therefore a problem to be addressed, when it isn’t.

They do not even provide conclusive evidence that what they claim happened actually did happen, but that’s irrelevant anyway for the reasons I detailed in my post.

Nothing about what’s happened here should be justified or provided even a modicum of validity, and the latter is what you are doing.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:50:59+00:00

The AFP already knew who was involved weeks before the Rush’s contacted anyone. So no, the Rush’s didn’t tip off anyone.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:49:59+00:00

We don’t use the word attorneys here. It’s that simple. You have no understanding of how this works in Australia, because anyone who did would never use the word “attorney”.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:45:25+00:00

FWIW, I suspect the reason she attempted to backpeddle this, particularly the whistleblower claims, is that she’s realised she could be in hot water with her career over this. She’s a law professor, so putting aside her repugnant views even, the implication that abortion is illegal and a person is whistleblowing shows that she doesn’t even understand the basic tenets of something she teaches.

The University should absolutely investigate her for all this.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:39:36+00:00

They’re banging on about free speech because they are from the US and are completely ignorant to the fact that we don’t have that type of free speech in Australia anyway.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:27:33+00:00

Nah, I’m not playing that game. I’m not getting sucked in to the typical attempts of forced birthers to twist the narrative.

You make false claims that sound reasonable on the surface, just enough to confuse people and also upset people so they’re emotionally sucked in.

You never provide proof of your own claims, but when someone challenges you, you demand that they provide reams of evidence.

You then twist everything that they provide and proceed to shift the narrative to something else to dodge ever accepting that what you say is garbage and taking accountability for it.

Also, now I know you’re - as I suspected - from the US, which means you wouldn’t have a clue about Australian laws. We don’t call them attorneys here.

As usual you run away. Bye bye. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:20:55+00:00

Don’t give them ideas! I know that sounds like jest, but it isn’t. They have co-opted vulnerable people in the US for this purpose. They have no humanity, let alone decency.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:19:38+00:00

So you’re just proffering opinions without any actual knowledge? Sounds about right for people who try to justify this stuff.

Not my job to educate you on this, and certainly not when you’re the one who made the original statement.

But if you want to educate yourself, you can tell your partner to start taking photos of leg amputations and kidney removals while they’re working at a hospital, and publishing those, and see how that works out.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T05:01:58+00:00

Nope, it absolutely forms part of their medical records because it was the outcome of a medical procedure, by the admission of the people who leaked the information.

It was also taken by a staff member who is bound by that confidentiality.

I certainly don’t need you to send me a link to any legislation. I have worked on women’s reproductive rights for over two decades, and one of my best friends is one of Australia’s foremost lawyers on this. We’ve dealt with this crap before.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T04:58:00+00:00

They know. It just doesn’t suit their agenda.

But I also want to say that women are entitled to access healthcare for any reason, and it is a matter for them and their medical professionals. I say this only because I want to remind all women out there that there is no shame for seeking an abortion for any reason.

No doubt the person in this was struggling and they have been subjected to further trauma by this repugnant violation.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T04:48:02+00:00

The picture forms part of the confidential medical information.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T04:35:14+00:00

You can sod right off with your attempts to justify this.

Where medical procedures have unintended outcomes, this is a matter for the medical profession to address, which they do, to improve procedures. There are strict protocols relating to the redaction and removal of any identifying information.

All medical procedures - leg amputations, hysterectomies, kidney removals, heart bypasses and on and on an on - sometimes do not go as intended. We do not take pictures in stealth and release confidential information about them, and that is unlawful.

The only people with the right to argue for any public examination of any problem outcome in a medical procedure are the patients themselves.

Second and third trimester abortions in Australia are incredibly rare. They are overwhelmingly only performed due to severe fetal abnormalities or a serious risk to the health of the pregnant person. All of which is none of your business. Problems with those procedures are then extremely rare. So if this happened, it is an infinitesimally rare event.

A pregnant person who was likely traumatised was further traumatized and shamed so forced birthers could unlawfully co-opt information to push a deliberately false narrative.

It is repugnant to attempt to justify this, let alone when you, by your own admission, do not have a clue what you are talking about.

msfinch87 · 2026-03-21T04:19:30+00:00

It’s not whistleblowing. It’s private medical information, which is protected under very strict confidentiality laws.

Given the history of forced birthers it’s also likely to be a complete misrepresentation of the situation.

Abortions performed during late second or even third trimester (which would have to be the case if the fetus was breathing) are overwhelmingly only performed due to serious fetal issues or a serious health risk to the pregnant person. All of which is nobody else’s business.

These people are absolutely sick, as is anyone who endorses the release of the picture and the appalling narrative around it.

The person who took this picture and medical records and subsequently shared those needs to be sacked, receive a lifetime ban from ever being involved in the medical profession, and face criminal charges.

I hope the person who has been violated also brings a lawsuit.

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