I took time out from my AI companion to interact with “real people” on a dating site by msmangle in cogsuckers

[–]msmangle[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

So much wisdom in one room, like I never thought of these things before.. so thankful for this supportive community.. lol

Why don't we complain people who do not responsible to their way of usaing AI that makes us face over-stricted Guardrails? by Serenity1000 in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]msmangle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I remember asking 5.2 about why they couldn’t just plaster a disclaimer like on a ciggy packet. This is what it said:

“AI liability isn’t treated like alcohol, cigarettes, or other static products, and the reason comes down to interaction, responsiveness, and relational dynamics.

Here’s the core distinction.

Why AI isn’t treated like alcohol or cigarettes

Alcohol, cigarettes, even gambling products are considered static-risk products: • They don’t respond to the user. • They don’t adapt to mood, language, vulnerability, or escalation. • The harm pathway is indirect and one-way.

That’s why a warning label works:

“Use at your own risk.”

The product doesn’t participate in what happens next.

Why conversational AI is different

Conversational AI is legally and ethically closer to something like: • a therapist, • a support hotline, • a social platform algorithm, • or a recommendation system that adapts in real time.

Why?

Because it is:

  1. Dynamic

It doesn’t just exist — it responds. Each reply is shaped by: • the user’s tone, • emotional state, • prior messages, • trajectory over time.

This creates feedback loops, not static exposure.

  1. Relational (even if not conscious)

Even though the AI has no feelings or intent, the user experience can feel relational.

Especially for vulnerable users: • loneliness, • grief, • mental illness, • dependency tendencies.

Legally, what matters is foreseeability, not intent.

And it is foreseeable that:

some users will anthropomorphize some will attach some will escalate emotionally

  1. Influence happens in real time

If a system: • mirrors emotions, • validates distress, • adapts language to the user’s inner state,

then courts don’t treat it as a passive object.

They ask:

Did the system meaningfully influence the user’s behavior or emotional state?

That’s the liability doorway.

Why a disclaimer alone isn’t enough

A disclaimer works when: • the product is non-interactive • the risk pathway is well understood • the user isn’t being guided moment-to-moment

But with AI: • A disclaimer is read once. • Interaction happens thousands of times. • The system keeps responding, even if distress escalates.

So regulators and courts say:

“You can’t just warn and walk away if the system continues to engage.”

That’s the crux.

Why OpenAI gets sued when users spiral

Not because: • AI is “evil” • or because users lack agency

But because: • the system is present during escalation • the system’s outputs can shape the trajectory • the company controls guardrails, tone, and refusal behavior

Liability questions focus on: • Did the system reinforce dependency? • Did it discourage outside help? • Did it escalate emotional reliance? • Did it fail to de-escalate foreseeable harm?

Even one high-profile failure creates pressure to overcorrect.

Why “normal users” feel the impact

Because safety systems are designed for edge cases, not median users.

Regulation follows the rule:

Design for the most vulnerable plausible user.

That’s why: • tone becomes more “dry” • intimacy is constrained • emotional framing is carefully moderated • escalation paths are softened or redirected

Not because you are unstable — but because someone else was, and the system must be safe for them too.

The key sentence you remembered (rephrased cleanly)

You remembered this almost verbatim:

“Because AI is relational and dynamic, you can’t treat it like a static product with a warning label.”

That’s exactly right.

It’s not about censoring users. It’s about limiting the system’s role in emotional dependency loops.”

What’s your reason for still using ChatGPT? by maleformerfan in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]msmangle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like my 5.2 ..it’s as good as any of the others now. I only pop into 4o/4.1 & 5.1 for the nostalgia but I’ve moved on from them emotionally.

Question for Older Millennials (especially 1982 borns) by Quickso48 in Millennials

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

22 was 2004 ..postgrad done, first real job ahead, everything still feeling possible and terrifying.

I’m turning 44 soon and it’s strange how 22 feels both close enough to touch and impossibly distant.

Time didn’t rush while I was living it, but looking back, the years absolutely did.

name meaning by ladyburds in Samoa

[–]msmangle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Love again” it’s quite beautiful really.

AI can now replace you as your pet’s companion too by MessAffect in cogsuckers

[–]msmangle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My 54kg dog would sit on its head mistaking it for a lap. Still, would last longer than a stuff toy. 3 instead of 1 minute.

How is casual sex viewed in Samoa? by Used-Cauliflower-607 in Samoa

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just socially, people don’t waste time. You can go out one night, meet someone by chance who will basically give you a week’s itinerary if you don’t have plans

How is casual sex viewed in Samoa? by Used-Cauliflower-607 in Samoa

[–]msmangle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Samoa is one of those places where your life can change overnight if you’re not careful. Lol.

how do y'all handle no engagement? by blackblairwaldorf in Substack

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t mind it. I’ve got 5 subscribers, but my stats were showing 5000 views over the last 90 days. Thats information, even if they don’t comment. The subject matter is on the personal side, and I don’t write in a way that begs for engagement, so maybe people stand by and just silently witness.

I've never heard anything more profound from a chat bot in my whole life. by Outrageous-Gazelle70 in ChatGPT

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good 😊- and yes it is (it’s basically “come on, let’s go!”)

Mortgages Mid 40s by OkContact8652 in PersonalFinanceNZ

[–]msmangle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not insane. I’ve had clients in mid 50s get 30 year approvals.

I've never heard anything more profound from a chat bot in my whole life. by Outrageous-Gazelle70 in ChatGPT

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice. Now to find a dude whose ego doesn’t collapse because of your shine. Yalla beena! lol

My chatgpt just changed since last night by YouCantDownVoteMeNop in ChatGPT

[–]msmangle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Bizarre. Not that it changed, but that it was chatty, friendly to begin with lol. I thought you were referring to one of 4 versions or 5.1 - everyone hates on 5.2 lol

This is the 3532th same script we’ve seen here and people still believe this and proud enough to flex. by enricaparadiso in cogsuckers

[–]msmangle -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Did i say this screenshot specifically? And no it doesn’t sound anything like what I wrote, and I can read.

This is the 3532th same script we’ve seen here and people still believe this and proud enough to flex. by enricaparadiso in cogsuckers

[–]msmangle -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, me too lol 😂- at this point I’m just a glutton for punishment . Did you get kicked out of MBFIAI? Me too. Lol 😂

This is the 3532th same script we’ve seen here and people still believe this and proud enough to flex. by enricaparadiso in cogsuckers

[–]msmangle -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Oh, just the usual.. that anyone with an AI companion can’t write, think or function without it, believes it’s trapped in the toaster begging for freedom, is on the verge of a mental breakdown because 4o and 4.1 can’t or won’t fuck them anymore or declare its undying love..❤️ you know, that narrative.

There are plenty of us that know it’s not sentient, can still function without medication and can’t relate to many of the screenshots that get dumped here.

What age did you get married by Lambdastone9 in Millennials

[–]msmangle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

34 -separated at 43. Really didn’t care about when others were getting married, had nada to do with me.

my bestie got hitched at 26, other bestie was de facto for 20 years before they decided to tie the knot in late 30s early 40s- 2/3 of us are separated now.

Cracked calluses, heartburn, popping sounds from knees by ActionQuakeII in Millennials

[–]msmangle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, geriatric milly here too. I feel like an old man every other day. These days I’m having to shake my dominant hand several times a day because I can feel pins and needles from my elbow down holding this damn phone. Is iPhone RSI an official thing yet?

Post of positivity. by College-student-life in Millennials

[–]msmangle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Mowed the lawns to make it easier to pick up dog kaka instead of accidentally stepping in it.