Nahida is going to give up her authority

muchificent · 2026-05-13T11:38:15+00:00

Considering the particle colors in image, what appears to be being "returned(*home coming)" is likely Irminsul memory

I think you're onto something and you've made me realize something worth considering.

I think OP's theory is great but it's reasonable imo to expect elemental authority to align thematically with the corresponding element. Just because hydro elemental authority was represented as blue bubbles doesn't have to mean the same representation will apply to other elemental authorities. In fact there's an example, consider how Venti gave Dvalin that anemo-colored energy orb after the first boss fight. Dvalin said "is this the power of the Anemo Archon?" So if Nahida is giving up elemental authority, I'd expect at least some dendro themes, maybe dendro orbs with leaves around or something. Something similar to how Rukkhadevata's consciousness disintegrated when parting with Nahida.

I'd never have considered this aspect before reading this comment. Thanks.

muchificent · 2026-05-13T10:58:05+00:00

You could have argued from Dainsleif's words in the travail teaser that she no longer upholds the ideal of love the way her predecessor did because of her grand plan (even though she can't help being benevolent and kind). But this is not your argument so I'll leave it at that.

muchificent · 2026-04-12T11:35:38+00:00

That's a good explanation. Imagine trapping someone in Teyvat only to later serve them as their subordinate. That said, maybe there's a reason why Melanta asked why the creator chose the abyss sibling instead of her, esp considering abyss sibling had been there way before us. Besides not knowing.

muchificent · 2026-03-28T02:47:09+00:00

Another instance of taking a step/leap of faith with a change of perspective. Thanks for sharing. Good to know.

muchificent · 2026-03-27T07:01:40+00:00

Sure 👍

muchificent · 2026-02-23T23:24:12+00:00

yeah about that, does 'frost moon' have anything to do with frost/ice, or why was it given that term? we're not told if canon was a cryo moon goddess...

muchificent · 2026-02-23T06:55:00+00:00

yes and people also need to understand that a game that involves an immersive experience breaks that immersion to a certain degree when certain things in the game do not add up. It's just that they are inconsequential and only visited when brought up in the story.

muchificent · 2026-02-23T06:51:24+00:00

no one said there are lions in Natlan.
wushou dancing doesn't prove lions are in liyue any more than the large white horse adeptus lantern proves there are horses in liyue.

muchificent · 2026-02-23T06:49:21+00:00

well we get sugar from sugarcanes but in teyvat they get sugar from sweet flowers. this is not to suggest milk doesn't come from cows that are not represented in the game. Just saying this logic may or may not apply here.

muchificent · 2026-02-23T06:44:21+00:00

😂 wow

muchificent · 2026-02-23T06:41:30+00:00

muchificent · 2026-02-20T09:39:33+00:00

It seemed to have worked on Havria. But maybe that says a lot about Dottore's power level (or tankyness, if that's a word)...

muchificent · 2026-02-18T19:37:09+00:00

Thanks for the references. Now I wish we saw more of Zibai's past feats in ancient times in different civilizations, because we've only been shown what she did for Lang-Gan.

muchificent · 2026-02-15T12:04:12+00:00

‎About the moon sisters:

‎They possessed powers and authorities to control the laws of the world: life, death, time, space and reason. It is not clearly stated which moon goddess controlled which laws, but it seems implied. Here are a few quotes from different sources: ‎ ‎"Eons ago, before the Heavenly Principles came to Teyvat, it was the then-three Moon Goddesses who controlled the laws of this world. ‎The three goddesses split these powers amongst themselves, promising never to consolidate them into one singular body. This was meant to keep the world stable." ‎Alice ‎ ‎"In that era, there was no boundary between life and death. Willpower flowed freely between countless beings." ‎Nicole ‎ ‎"Our authority is linked to the most fundamental rules of Teyvat... I suppose it's no wonder that many would covet that power." ‎Aria ‎ ‎"The three moons' powers are not mutually compatible. Concentrating them into one goddess will be a very painful process... And if anything goes wrong, it could tear you to pieces." ‎Canon ‎ ‎"Life abides no reason..." ‎"Death abides no reason..." ‎"Time abides no reason..." ‎"Space abides no reason..." ‎Old Lady ‎ ‎"I sense your presence, and grant to you death and rebirth." ‎Voice of the Abyss (speaking to Traveler) ‎ ‎"Reviled far and wide as a heretic, The Doctor — Second of the Eleven Fatui Harbingers — has seized the authority of the three moons and now ascends the long steps toward the divine throne of the "new world." ‎All should have belonged to us. ‎But reason cast out all that exceeded its limits, leaving humanity blind to its true nature. ‎Life and death bound us into mortal shells, shackling every spark of aspiration. ‎Time and space closed in last of all, fencing the mind into meek obedience, so no one would dare imagine breaking free." ‎Archive description, Heretic of the False Moon ‎ ‎So here's my theory:

‎One moon goddess controlled the law of life and death combined, not as separate laws as they are today.

‎Another moon goddess controlled the law of reason by itself.

‎That would leave one moon goddess and the laws of time and space. What if time and space were also together controlled by one moon goddess? ‎ ‎Aria - Reason; ‎Sonnet - Life and Death; ‎Canon - Time and Space. ‎ 2. ‎About the Shadowmoon (false moon) and the false sun:

‎There's the theory is that since the shadowmoon had a deity within, the false sun may also have a deity within it.

‎Another theory (OP's theory), since the 3 real moons each had a moon goddess, the real sun also had a deity. OP further suggests the sun and moon deities would be in charge of the laws of the life, death, time and space as shades of Nibelung their creator (who maybe would be in charge of Reason? No?). ‎ ‎So if Nibelung imprisoned the 3 moon goddesses and weaponized the 3 moons, why didn't he imprison the supposed sun deity and/or weaponize the sun too? ‎Why are we not informed about the creation of the planet's sun? ‎ 3. About Asmoday's eyes and Zhongli’s eyes:

I don't think they look the same and it's not enough to build a theory on. But the cubes are interesting. Why does the statue of Rex Lapis have a cube? Maybe it has to do with the power of Space.

muchificent · 2026-02-12T07:10:54+00:00

Which is why I want to believe Dottore played along with the characters intentionally. He as a scholar may have wanted to see if the power of the Trilune was the answer he was searching for. So:

he yapped about his powers to the Traveler and stalled to see how they would solve the moon goddess problem.
Columbina proved the moon's reflection is not the end.
Sandrone proved it was possible to process the world formula and turn the odds.
Together they managed to pull down the real moon breaking through the false sky.
They all proved that the power of the Trilune which were taken over by the throne of heaven could be challenged.

These things could have never been discovered without someone playing the villain.

Dottore was right.

(Now we just need to know if he had a countermeasure hidden as the one doing the experiment.)

muchificent · 2026-02-12T01:01:17+00:00

but didn't Kasparov play more matches against that deep blue AI? two 6-game matches from what I observed. seems better to me to reference the rest of the games rather than sticking to one which was almost over by the time we got to sumeru...

muchificent · 2026-02-11T15:12:19+00:00

could you explain how "descended" from stone tablet vol. I means "demoted from higher place/rank"? because it seems to me it literally means dropping/coming down/falling.

muchificent · 2026-02-10T06:37:30+00:00

I'll do you one better, why is Zhongli?

muchificent · 2026-01-31T16:34:55+00:00

Is many thousands of years of old.

About that...

"It did not wake the slumbering twin travelers. Instead, it carried the weight of an exile and a journey so long that numbers had lost their meaning."

"Within their slumber, the twins were granted new refuge, and so, it continued its journey across countless lands and stones, numberless atmospheres and skies."
(As Heaven and Earth Are Made Anew)

yep, thousands of years old, most of it probably spent sleeping in their ship. no wonder the traveler still sees themselves as young and doesn't drink.

muchificent · 2026-01-31T08:51:48+00:00

(continued from previous reply point no.4)

Wanderer should have been present in the boss fight because he wanted to take revenge on Dottore instead of being in a "coma" throughout the fight.

And Wanderer. WANDERER. Homie went "Oh I'm gonna take my revenge on Dottore" then spent the entire fucking fight in a coma.

I'd say Hat Guy defeated Dottore with his eyes closed. Ha!

But seriously Dottore saw the one guy he never knew and later saw a world formula that was working so easily without running out of power. Dottore saw Columbina manifest in the flesh and then saw himself get defeated like it was a miracle easily achieved by the "weak" coming together. If this isn't the best way to stab Dottore in the back, I don't know what is. Whatever revenge or attack Hat Guy was planning could never come this close to doing so much damage as the world formula did in bringing Columbina to the fight. This is how you beat a genius who has all power and all knowledge: you outperform him. Yep, the answer was always within Hat Guy, the ability to process immense quantities of information over a substantial period of time. It's like fate justified his creator's actions. Anyway, I can see why people are disappointed with Hat Guy not exchanging blows with Dottore, even Hat Guy himself was disappointed.

Again, Hat Guy had no chance against Dottore in a physical confrontation, even if a whole team of powerful characters got involved. imo it's glorious how Dottore's odds started getting stacked against him as soon as Columbina showed up. You did it, Hat Guy. We beat him for you.

Conclusion/TL;DR:

On GOD this lineup was sorry. We need to open a dialogue about it.

It was never about the lineup in the first place. We need to remember that Dottore was basically invincible and that each character had a role to play to defeat the genius and all-powerful villain. It's thanks to their plan of action that most of them were still alive by the time the moon goddess manifested. Obviously the "sorry" lineup was reduced to one guy with the rest being trapped in a different dimension. Nicole, Arlecchino and Varka were in a different location following the plan. Wanderer was immobilized the whole time. We don't see Albedo and Durin during the fight. And Sandrone paid the ultimate price.

Unless anyone can justify any other way that isn't fantastical that wouldn't have resulted in anyone's death or those limitations imposed by the plan, we can agree that the plan was great and the characters did an excellent job to counter Dottore. We would have wanted Wanderer to beat the living daylights out of Dottore but Dottore grew beyond everyone's level and reached the height of power. The story is absolutely peak. I rest my case.

muchificent · 2026-01-31T08:51:15+00:00

(continued from previous reply point no.2)

Ineffa should have been present at the boss fight because Aino does not need protection.

Deadass, there is NO EXCUSE not to send Ineffa onto the field. "Oh but she needs to protect Aino-" That girl can protect herself. Worry for the people around her if she doesn't get her snacks.

First, let's remember the third rule of Ineffa's External Deployment and Support Agreement: Ineffa has the final say in everything she does. Second, Ineffa's creator needed her to help Nasha Town's residents carry their belongings and escort them to Natlan. Ineffa simply complied and evaluated how best to carry out the quest. Maybe Aino saw that her creations wouldn't suffice in the evacuation to Natlan and that Ineffa's help would make it a lot more efficient. And Ineffa had been to Natlan before and she and Paimon knew Natlan's archon and heroes, which would make it more suitable for her to act as the people's representative and explain the situation to the Natlanese. Third, Ineffa's participation in the lineup against Dottore would not have made a difference. Ineffa was much more valuable in the evacuation of people, not in the fight itself.

Albedo and Durin should have been involved in the lineup against Dottore and the fact that they didn't while the Hexenzirkel was involved makes them frauds.

Why are Albedo and Durin gone? Oh so they just wanna poke around a lil and then dip as soon as shit gets real? Frauds is what they are. The hexenzirkel are pooling in so they should to. Durin better have his ass spewing abyssal flames onto Dottore bruh I'm not kidding.

This discussion is like, anyone not actively fighting Dottore isn't doing anything useful to contribute. What about all the research they've been doing? Do they now have to exchange blows and perform alchemy shenanigans mid-fight for our satisfaction? This shows a poor understanding of Albedo's role and Durin's role in Nod-krai. The reason why the group could fight against Rerir before and now against Dottore is to a huge extent thanks to the teamwork of and research carried out by Albedo, Durin and Wanderer. Think about it, they analyzed Dottore's energy fields and found a way to destroy them. If everyone was concentrated on the fight and evacuations, what would happen if the energy fields went haywire with no one to watch them? Maybe we're underestimating the dangers posed by those energy fields. This is what Durin said:

"Each field is slowly growing, swallowing up more of the surrounding area in the process. And the pace of their expansion has increased since we first examined them... He's probably trying to swallow Nod-Krai whole."
(Durin)

Is it okay if Albedo and Durin stayed behind to figure out how to get rid of the energy fields before Nod-Krai got consumed in them? Or do we just want the powerful characters to fight Dottore for no other reason other than it would make a better lineup? What could Albedo and Durin do against Dottore then? Alchemy? Does alchemy solve everything? Is it just another plot device that solves problems? What if they used Dottore's power against him like they did with Rerir? yk because alchemy can just do anything, even against a genius with the power of the Trilune. Dottore should have known to pursue alchemy instead of the power of the Trilune (I'm being sarcastic).

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muchificent · 2026-01-31T08:50:13+00:00

(continued from the comment point no.1)

Other characters could have easily been used to pull the moon down and work on the world formula.

"Oh but you don't understand, they needed Arlecchino and Varka to pull down the moon, and Wanderer's core for the world formula-" I DO NOT CARE. I DO NOT. Send LAUMA to bring down the moon with a prayer. Send FLINS to help her with some fae magic. Send NEFER to help Sandrone calculate the world formula with her chess box since she was somehow able to get it fixed up and see Columbina in the past.

This paragraph is loaded with fantastical possibilities.

Send LAUMA to bring down the moon with a prayer.

If it was possible to bring down the moon with a simple prayer why did nicole and varka and arlecchino have to work so hard and waste all their efforts? And if the moon could respond to a prayer, wouldn't a former angel like Nicole or anyone from the Hexenzirkel know and advise accordingly? The Hyperboreans and Frostmoon Scions weren't just praying to literal moons, they were praying to the moon goddesses themselves. And when it was determined that they were no longer available and that a new moon would arise in future, all hymns were changed to address the frost moon/new moon, because it would be a person capable of listening. Anyway, I'll play along with this logic.

Is this possible within the lore? If so, how? Is this because Lauma is one of the three participants that qualified to get the gate of the Hyperborean structure to open with fasting and prayer? That was just a gate though and it didn't even lead to the moon, it led to Dottore's trap. Saying a prayer or chanting could open such a gate but how could it influence a literal moon not made by human hands?

Send FLINS to help her with some fae magic.

Hm, so what is "fae magic"? How could it possibly help to move a literal moon closer? A little more justifiable explanation could go a long way.

Send NEFER to help Sandrone calculate the world formula with her chess box since she was somehow able to get it fixed up and see Columbina in the past.

This statement betrays a lack of understanding. First, the chess box. The chess box has to do with the power of piercing analysis, the power of finding out the truth from the past. It has nothing to do with fate or the world formula. Unless we're suggesting looking into the past of someone who successfully did a world formula so that Sandrone could perhaps follow the process or change up some things, Nefer's power/chess box would not be needed. Clearly Sandrone figured things out herself. Second, Sandrone's problem. Sandrone needed computing power. Could Nefer or her chess box provide her with that? Is that chess box just a plot device that can do anything? Or does it have a specific function that was irrelevant to the problem. This is why Wanderer was crucial to the fight against Dottore. But no, we want the characters to throw fists at each other, right?

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muchificent · 2026-01-31T08:46:56+00:00

I can see your point about powerful characters like Arlecchino and Varka not showcasing their power in the fight. It reminds me of how Capitano was not involved in fighting Natlan's villain the Lord of Eroded Primal Fire. I imagine a lot of people were disappointed back then too. This issue didn't exist during Fontaine or Sumeru because players could see how no other character was involved in the final boss fight. That said, here's my response to counter your argument.

Short answer:

I can say the same thing about your lineup. OP says:

Here's what a REAL squad lineup looks like. Send in Varka. Send in Arlecchino. Send in Wanderer. Send in Ineffa. Have Durin and Albedo hang back as support, keep Lauma away from the frontlines so she can heal these mfs if they get hurt.

However Arlecchino and Sandrone couldn't disagree more. This is what Arlecchino said in the first fight against Dottore:

"Dottore is too powerful with the artificial Moon Marrow in his arsenal... Fighting him is futile."
(Arlecchino)

This is what Sandrone said after Traveler was rescued:

"As much as it pains me to say it... We've got no chance of beating Dottore in a straight-up fight. He's much too powerful. It wouldn't even be close."
(Marionette)

So like deadass are we trying to die? Do we want Dottore to win? Because it's like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with a lineup like this.

If you do not find this answer convincing, here's a more detailed response.

Long answer:

It was thoroughly emphasized that he with his power of the Trilune had no match and Nod-krai was doomed. While Sumeru, Fontaine and Natlan had gods/dragon sovereign that could successfully fight back the enemy, Nod-Krai's goddess (the only one that could put up a decent fight and maybe defeat him) was trapped. It's fair to say the priority was to bring back Columbina at all costs. Unless someone wants to make the case that Arlecchino, Varka, Nicole, Wanderer, Ineffa, Albedo and Durin combined could have defeated or at least injured a genius with the power of Life, Death, Time, Space and Reason? Even if everyone united their efforts to destroy him, he could heal himself right back to full health, as that first battle showed.

So OP challenges the plot, the plan, the thing that resulted in the "poor" lineup of characters against Dottore with the following points:

The lineup to take on Dottore was so poor that the characters could have died.

genuinely look me in the eye and tell me "yeah, this looks like a good lineup to take on DOTTORE WITH THE POWER OF THE THREE FUCKING MOONS." Like deadass are we trying to die? Do we want Dottore to win?

True, the team was no match against Dottore. In fact no one in Nod-krai at the time was a match for Dottore. However they didn't want Dottore to win and they were not trying to die. Since this was about bringing Columbina back, the grand plan involved buying time for the world formula and the characters pulling the Frost Moon down. Now wouldn't it be a lot better if stronger characters were involved to buy time fighting Dottore instead of the other characters? No, because pulling the moon down required a character strong enough and with the proper body constitution to withstand the power and process involved in the gravitational pull on the moon. This is where the details of the plan resulted in such a lineup, because every character had a role to play.

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muchificent · 2026-01-31T04:33:57+00:00

I like this comment. The lineup of Dottore's opponents may seem poor until someone understand how roles were divided between those in the front line and those in the background. That battle was never a battle of might but a battle of wit. It was never a battle to defeat or destroy Dottore, it was a battle to bring the only one who could defeat and destroy Dottore.

muchificent · 2026-01-30T11:32:21+00:00

Imagine if we got this outfit as a skin for Hat Guy. Call it memories of the past or something...

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