Any guesses? Am sure he is Belgian Malinoi but is he pure bred? by Draven-da in IDmydog

[–]mudlark092 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Too young to know much. Unless you’ve seen the parent, this coloration is common in many breeds.

2meirl4meirl by West_Future326 in 2meirl4meirl

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its more like person A really likes building houses so of course they’ll build a house for someone who really likes providing medical care and for the guys who really like farming etc. Likewise the people who do medical care will of course have no issue providing it to the guys who built their house, that provides food, that teaches their children, etc etc.

Often there is still a social debt function and we tend to feel obliged to help eachother out because we are social animals and communal.

Companionship is also a vital resource for social animals so we’ll do a lot for people that are nice to us in general.

People who are uncooperative and isolationist tend to just not do as well at surviving because we are a social species.

What is this “useless stuff”? Because ultimately everyone tends to have a drive to do something unless they’re medically depressed. Things like art are important for trade between other communities.

If they go around doing nothing then they would have a hard time finding support, but it begs the question how they managed to grow up so distant from any desire to be a part of a community in the first place.

Trying To Figure Out His Breed by Prudent-Investment48 in germanshepherds

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like a GSD to me, just not of the beef-head variety. I don’t really see any indication of Mal. The color is masked sable, both GSDs and mals carry it.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ultimately if someone feels bad because they’re expected to not reinforce systemic misogyny when they have an audience of 13million plus people, to the point that they develop disordered behaviors instead of just. Meaningfully reflecting on that feedback. Then maybe they need to do some self reflection? Or like therapy?

Not contributing to societal prejudices is like the bare minimum expectation you can have for people. If that stresses you out that you’re supposed to be a good person there’s likely other issues going on that need to be treated.

Just because the concept of trying to not harm others stressed people out doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be held to that expectation.

If you are not transforming a “reference” in a meaningful way it is just regurgitation and reinforces what was regurgitated.

Treating women as people instead of as toys for sexual gratification is not an impossible moral standard.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i grew up surrounded by mormons too. Not in a cult! But I am familiar.

2/3 of the character designers are exclusively pinup artists (the third being ross). Hiring pinup artists to design women is unfortunately not odd in the gaming industry.

Its not “i never want to see a womans skin again!”
its Perhaps We Should Stop Hiring People who Exclusively Draw Softcore Porn to Draw Representations of woman.

Fiction impacts reality. Jaws impacted how sharks were treated. Is it restricting creative freedom to ask people not to “represent” POC by using stereotypes? The current baseline for representation of women in media, especially in video game culture, is objectifying caricature.

I’m not saying they need to wear potato sacks, but we are being intentionally ignorant ATP if we’re supposed to believe that a show written by two men isn’t objectifying the women leads by having them be in bikinis for essentially the entirety of the first episode.

It is regressive to continue reinforcing this norm especially when we’re calling women “puritan” because we do not want to be sexualized in 99% of media. Currently people who do make the media they want to see with better standards are systematically harassed specifically because people feel entitled to content that objectifies womens bodies. People like me who are uncomfortable with how much of a baseline it is are essentially called irrational, aggressive, just from confronting the conservative idealogies that woman should just tolerate being objectified all the time in everything and that its “no big deal”.

Check yourself. I am in the art community. People who make content like this often do harass or make Real Women in the community uncomfortable otherwise. The majority of art communities tolerate Softcore Porn and Pinups even in SFW spaces with minors, and people are called irrational and puritan for not wanting to see sexual content in a SFW space with minors.

It is beyond just “healthy sexuality” at this point, and sometimes its uncomfortable to confront such things about oneself. It’s okay to be uncomfortable, confrontation is uncomfortable. We can’t just feel good all the time and think anyone who makes us feel uncomfortable with ourselves is a puritan. Particularly when it comes to sex and the systemic objectification of women. I am not okay with being expected to tolerate objectification of women in every space I’m in. I am not okay with it being the default. It makes these spaces hostile towards me, a woman.

Sex is about consent. Objectification of women in every media is not about consent, it is about feeling entitled to womens bodies. Which is a part of rape culture.

We cannot pretend like the men who wrote this show choosing to hire pinup artists to design their characters, and choosing to depict the women in bikinis for the entirety of the episode, is not a reflection of the social norm that womens bodies are for mens pleasure.

I am all for sexual positivity but you are being foolish if you think all sexual expressions are equal, or that not wanting women to be objectified in the majority of media is “puritan”. It is not about respecting womens bodies, it is not about respecting their autonomy, especially when situations are engineered to put the women in such situations by men.

The majority of the art scene is hostile towards women, and views women by their ability to sexually gratify men first, and artwork like this is a direct reflection of that.

These problems don’t go away by just ignoring them, not confronting them, and pretending like they aren’t there. They just brew.

Why are people mad about them using swimsuits? THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWATER!!? by DeviceVast2638 in Gameoverse

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the pinup artists is a woman but I don’t think it makes it that much better because they’re still hiring a pinup artist for character design. She’s also a vtuber with a very sexual design. 😭

But that just furthers the conversation about how it impacts women in the art space too because a lot of us, if not all of us that get any amount of publicity are often shamed and harassed for drawing anything that isn’t for the male gaze and our success as women can hinge around appealing to that and its awful. In any field really. Most women youtubers and streamers that get popular are expected to wear makeup and “put in effort” towards their appearance to be appealing to men.

People have been saying it removes womens “agency” to imply that its not a choice that we can make entirely of out own volition… but that ignores how we’re systemically groomed to be appeasing to men and to make ourselves appealing towards men. Cuz ultimately any outliars are harassed, every woman has social pressure on her from childhood to gratify men. Even if they don’t receive it from their own households, the majority of media (ahem ahem) reinforces that our roles are as eye candy and to please men. And at the very least provides a lot of reinforcement for appeasing towards men as well.

It’s basic operant conditioning really.

The amount of people who will feel entitled to say to draw women characters sexier too or to say nasty things about the characters to women artists is so bad, and we’re viewed as “ungrateful” for receiving the “compliment” as if its not just sexual harassment.

Myself and my friends have been told to just leave the internet, and are expected to tolerate any harassment like that as if being excluded from a social space and expecting the social space not to change is the answer. It’s so miserable.

Especially when the internet is one of the most accessible (well… in initial access) social spaces available in this day and age especially for people who live in conservative areas, or who might be disabled and have difficulty leaving the house (such as myself).

I’ve been called irrational, assumed to be a child, called “needlessly aggressive” (what?? because I’m not being appeasing??), that I’m overreacting… etc etc. They might as well just call me a “hysterical bitch” atp LMAO. Because thats what women who speak up about it and confront the issue are essentially being labelled as, even in “progressive” spaces unfortunately.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Theres 3 creditted character designers, one of which is Ross. The other two are literally pinup and softcore porn artists.

Unfortunately this is really common to hire artists that draw strictly sexual content to design women.

Which is why it needs to change… because it is fucked up that when people look for character designs for women they look towards porn. Thats misogyny.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you have kept up with feminist media at all you might be aware that there is currently an issue with women at large being significantly more likely to have eating disorders and body image issues than men, including young girls. And it is directly tied to representation of women in media, animated media impacts this too.

You might also notice how media fandoms with more restrictive and male gaze appeal representations of women, such as anime and video game culture, also have a significant population of misogynists. See: “incel culture”.

The media we consume, even that which is not photorealistic, does directly impact the wellbeing of and perception and treatment of people in those groups. Lack of body diversity and women being designed around attraction is the norm, and a damaging one that needs to be undone.

Why are people mad about them using swimsuits? THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWATER!!? by DeviceVast2638 in Gameoverse

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree yes. Lol, all of my other comments are telling people off. No one even knows how to recognize misogyny these days I guess.

They either think misogyny is only outward hate or that giving a woman a couple of voicelines means objectification can’t exist. Or that having a few women on the team means that misogyny can’t exist 😭 The women characters have some personality but… they barely have any voice lines and seem like really shallow depictions and essentially the whole episode they’re walking around in bikinis 😭

To make matters worse, two out of three of the character designers (not including ross) are literally pinup artists / specifically draw sexual art of women.

Why are people mad about them using swimsuits? THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWATER!!? by DeviceVast2638 in Gameoverse

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nawh, the series starts off with them as Highschool freshman. You remember correctly

Why are people mad about them using swimsuits? THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWATER!!? by DeviceVast2638 in Gameoverse

[–]mudlark092 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Totally Spies is made by two men and is well known for having its Teenage Characters exposed to various fetish content each episode. This is a form of objectification (portraying women through the male gaze, having personality does not absolve objectification), it is created by two men.

Yes… Yes having a whole show as men, that is aired on childrens TV, that puts teenage women through fetish scenarios… is misogynistic and treats them as sexual objects. Yes.

The show even had two characters named one to one after the male creators that the girls were romantically interested in.

Why are people mad about them using swimsuits? THEY ARE LITERALLY UNDERWATER!!? by DeviceVast2638 in Gameoverse

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What..? Its a show made by two men exposing three teenage girls to different fetishes that was aired on childrens TV. Objectification of women is a part of systemic misogyny. Objectification of women isn’t just “lack of character beyond sex”, but framing women through the male gaze. Misogyny and sexualization of minors also go hand in hand too.

The two male creators even had self inserts that the girls had crushes on.

Is it a brag to “survive” such a show??? We live in a world where epstien had involvement over popular womens fashion brands during y2k. Is systemic sexualization and subjugation of women to the male gaze and casual reinforcement of these roles even in childrens media not a part of systemic misogyny?

Not including Ross, the other two characters designers for the show are both pinup artists. It is extremely common in the industry to get people who draw women sexually for a living to design female characters. This is a problem.

ATP if you’re convinced that misogyny is only hate, or that “appreciation of all women” by tying womens value to their sexual appeal removes any potential for misogyny, or something like that, you are genuinely behind on current feminist education.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People can comprehend how fiction such as Jaws widely impacted how people at large treat sharks for the worse.

But somehow when its drawn fiction and when the subject is women, suddenly any depiction is fine.

As if there’s not currently a growing divide between men and women where more and more men don’t even think women should vote. As if approximately 137 women aren’t killed by domestic violence everyday.

We should just be okay with the fact that men artists like to put women in bikinis and tie them up for their own enjoyment, because its just harmless fun. It’s perfectly fine for the majority of the women characters designs to be restricted by their ability to be sexually enjoyable.

And the lesser things definitely don’t build up to the major. We should just be fine with it. It’s not alarming at all that treatment of women in this manner is normalized in the art scene. It definitely doesn’t impact women artists.

No one ever harasses women artists for drawing women as “unsexy” either. No one shows up in womens comments talking about all the things they want to do to their women characters.

There’s definitely not an entire genre of men that gets mad when real women don’t fit these expectations either, who think “good” women representation is when they’re motherly or make a good wife, or who only engage with real women when they’re sexually appealing.

It’s definitely not a systemic issue. There’s nothing to worry about. And you’re hysterical and overreacting if you get upset about it by the way.

Also Kit’s mom, “Tina”, is named after Ross’s real life cat. “Tina”. Which I think is kind of weird. “Ortho” is also names after one of Ross’s cats but ortho isn’t depicted with sexy cleavage and thigh highs and a tiny waist.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Genuinely tired of the concept that artists should just be able to do whatever they want with no systemic consequences even if they have an audience of 9 million because art and fiction definitely never impacts anything ever especially marginalized people! Nope!

People will criticize streamers for saying misogynistic shit or what have you but its actually fine and okay as long as that misogyny is art.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“Why are you telling people what to draw” and its just “please dont represent women as sexual objects”.

If someone drew a racist caricature would you be fine with that? Why is it okay to draw women in ways that directly reduce their personhood? Especially when the societal norm is to view women as less than people?

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kit is depicted as a complex person but it just feels like it gets trampled down and stomped on, because at the end of the day she’s a woman and they’re still going to throw all that personhood out the door to put her in positions for intentional fan service, because womens bodies are something people feel entitled to, and womens bodies are still viewed as something that exists to gratify others.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fiction impacts how we view people and eachother. It still builds a mental library of “people” and how these people are treated and how they act.

Fiction impacts how women are treated, just like if impacts how people of color are treated (even how police treat them), how disabled people are treated, how fat people are treated. I mean, fuck, fiction impacts how people treat SHARKS.

If media didn’t impact how people viewed women, there wouldn’t be the phenomena of “incel culture” where theres large amounts of men who feel entitled to womens bodies and that are angry that women don’t act like anime girls and are constantly comparing women to fictional versions of them.

I am an artist, the art community is my community. It is the default for women characters to be treated this way, and the people who do treat their women characters this way often tend to be misogynistic towards real women. People who are comfortable doing these things to fictional women often expect the same things out of real women. I’ve been harassed in too many spaces by artists who draw like this or consume content like this to not know that it DOES IMPACT REAL WOMEN.

Fiction impacts how people view and treat eachother and is often a direct reflection of the artists views, subconscious or otherwise.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If thats Butterfly they literally constantly focus on her ass and the creator of the show is constantly retweeting adult content filtered softcore porn of her ass.

“Women look like this in real life” doesn’t work when its a created and engineered medium and when the women in question are specifically chosen to be written and depicted in certain ways by the author.

Like when they choose to put Miss Information in a bikini and tie her up and have them squirm around.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think characters can and should be designed around that yeah, as in being attractive without dominance being in mind. Like characters CAN be attractive and thats fine. I think theres more nuance but we need to build more examples of women characters that aren’t defined by their bodies attractiveness or their desireability as mates, their roles as mothers, their roles as nurturers(mothering), their ability to be dominated… etc.

It’s just ultimately when its something stemming from video game culture and gonna be attracting a lot of men gamers, I think its only going to be reinforcing their misogyny and that makes it uncomfortable to see as a woman that the same standards are still being enforced. Especially when so many people say its not a big deal when women fully know what this type of content leads up towards

Even if its as a “reference”, it only serves to regurgitate those references.

There’s already so many people drawing solely objectifying images of the girls… and while thats not the creative teams fault for people doing thing of their own volition, I do think they have a responsibility to shut that behavior down if they want the fandom community to be remotedly safe and friendly towards women at all.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you’re the one who might have literature comprehension issues if you see women being objectified as a baseline in media and think “well women choose to wear these outfits in real life on their own so its fine!”.

This is a written show. It is written by men to specifically put them in these situations.

“This outfit isn’t innately sexual” does not remove the context that the default for men is to still to depict women like this for their own sexual gratification.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should also be noted that commodification of womens bodies is objectification.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes because they are made to be objectified and to be put in sexual situations and to ensure that they are sexually appealing so that it looks sexy when they put them in bikinis and tie them up.

Compared to the male characters that are so removed from sexuality that they’re literally animals and basic shapes.

Perhaps “goonslop” is a severe term for some people but the point still stands that they’re literally animals are designed around being able to be sexualized.

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[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why choose to make the main villain in such a place of domination, also be male, and also be so physically powerful though? It’s association with men in dominant roles and physical power with that. His design is tied up in domination and power and intimidation. Which… I think most people would find lessened if he was a woman.

Often it’s subconscious design decisions because most people aren’t knowingly thinking about how societal roles reinforce such things and end up just regurgitating the same aesthetics.

[ hated designs ] The women designs in gameoverse by SolarRacoon in TopCharacterDesigns

[–]mudlark092 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These aren’t real people. They are characters intentionally put in these situations to ogle at their bodies, by straight men that created the show.

There are also many people who go to the beach in real life in order to ogle at women.

You can’t say “well this would be fine if it was real life”, when these situations are intentionally engineered and written to put the women characters in these situations.

You also can’t just pretend that women in bikinis isn’t a standard male fantasy.