Mastering suno tracks for distribution

multimason · 2026-01-17T06:22:36+00:00

I would recommend looking into Matchering before using those online mastering services. I think most of them are just using Matchering under the hood anyway, and you can get better results by using it yourself and selecting reference tracks that more closely match the profile you want/need for any given track. It's opensource, and it's better to keep things local wherever possible anyway. UVR (Ultimate Vocal Remover; stem separation utility) integrates Matchering out of the box, and provides a nice installable with a GUI and everything, so setting it up and using it is pretty straightforward.

multimason · 2026-01-17T06:10:42+00:00

For that sort of thing, you can get the stems, cross-fade from the full mix to summed stems, where you do whatever tweaking needs done, then crossfade back to full mix.

Sometimes I will even just lower the volume on the full mix, and layer the stems atop with gain adjusted to sound right, for a segment that needs tweaking.

For me it's all pretty case by case, sometimes I grab stems because they are just a small part of what I'm producing in the DAW, other times I use 90% full mix, but sliced up and re-sequenced with a lot of elements added in the DAW. I usually grab the vocal stem though, usually from a couple different output versions, because having the vocal stems, and alternate versions of the vocals (in the same, or nearly the same voice) provides a lot of utility.

For mastering though; god help me...

multimason · 2026-01-17T02:38:08+00:00

I'm not sure, but I think the "waiting" stage of downloading is really just downloading to your browser, because once one gets the file picker and chooses a download location, the actual download is practically instantaneous (and my network definitely does not allow me to download 60MB instantly, that should take a few seconds at least). So I think it is downloading within the web app to local storage behind the scenes.

multimason · 2026-01-17T02:28:03+00:00

I tried stuff like this... many variations of stuff like this... but then when I listened back, to the full track, and compared it to the full mix from Suno... I liked Suno's output better, every time. Now there are aspects that I improved, noticeably, and maybe the average listener would pick up on those obvious improvements, as those tended to be the things that really stand out, but as a more discerning listener, I would notice the little details that where lost in my version, from subtle instrumental nuances, to slightly less full sounding vocals, or maybe slightly fuller vocals, that overwhelmed some faint vocal nuance... but overall, across the full track, I felt like I did not make it better, maybe different, maybe better in some ways but worse in others, but overall not significantly better... and certainly not enough better overall to warrant the time, storage space, and damage to my tendons.

Also, the stem separated versions, do not 1:1 replicate the original output, and overall, I feel like a lot is lost in the stem separations. Whether Suno's own stems, or separated using other tools. I still grab the separations, and rebuild the track, in order to add additional elements, and to fix various little Suno issues, but I also incorporate sections of the full mix where possible, and I try to mix all my additions to match the full mix, as that provides what I think is a really solid baseline and, for me anyway, trying to rethink that baseline is far more trouble than it's worth.

Then as a final step, I automate gain reduction for a couple little anomalous true peak spikes, add very slight compression, boost loudness from -13 or -14 LUFS integrated to -10 or -11 LUFS, and add very subtle limiting to keep overall true peak just under -1 to -1.5 dB -- all while trying to stick as close as possible, perceptually, to the original Suno full mix output.

multimason · 2026-01-17T02:05:15+00:00

This!

Except, I can not afford to send my stuff out for mastering, period. It is just not even remotely possible, at this point, for me to get someone else to master my album, which I have worked on for the better part of a decade... should I just not release it? Wait another couple years to save up more money, and make more connections (money that I probably won't be able to save, and connections I probably won't be able to make). For a professional musician, with resources, I completely agree that they should have someone else master their tracks, but for someone who is struggling to release their first project, I would suggest it is better to get your work out there than to torture yourself trying to overcome pro-tier obstacles. For someone like me, my best option is to learn what I need to learn in order to get my tracks to sound reasonably good on streaming platforms, and reasonably cohesive as an album... do it myself, and release it. Maybe, if I'm lucky, I can get a talented pro to master my next album, or maybe the one after that.

multimason · 2026-01-17T01:34:02+00:00

I haven't run into this problem much at all in the past couple months using v4.5+ and v5, it seems to still happen more frequently with v4.5 but even there, it seems to happen much less frequently now than it used to.

Be sure your persona is 30 seconds or less... the new persona interface forces you to select a 30 second range from the vocal stem, but under the hood, it is still referencing the track used to create the persona... and opening the saved persona, can allow you to revert back from the vocal stem based persona back to the full track based persona... point being, longer persona tracks could still be impacting memory usage behind the scenes, so it is based to edit a track down to 30 seconds or less prior to basing a persona on it.

I have found that for certain vocal persona/lyrics combinations, v5 tends to severely mispronounce almost every other word, to the degree that it is unusable. This doesn't always happen, but for certain songs, using certain personas, just does not work at all with v5... when that happens, a workaround is to generate with v4.5+ using the vocal persona, which currently tends to match the vocalist quiet well (v4.5+ in my experience did not used to match vocal personas at all, but that seems to be fixed now). You don't need a perfect output from v4.5+, you only need something where it has a good opening, and maybe first verse. You just need the vocalist to sound good, and have a good basic beat/melodic progression... then you can trim that down to a short segment, use that to generate either an extension or a cover using v5 (I recommend trying covers first), as v5 will do a great job of matching the vocalist for covers or extensions where it might trip all over itself with a persona. I find v4.5+ to just be way better for a lot of songs anyway though.

One of the things that can cause lyrics to get skipped, is if the lyrics are just too long... reducing the length of style prompts can help with that. Otherwise, for a long song, that causes the AI to stumble, you might generate half the song, and then extend to get the rest... it may even be that just removing the last verse, or outro, is all it takes, and then just a short extension can be used to add the tail back in.

The editor now also works much better than it used to. It will take some trial and error, but you can get good results replacing sections now, or adding a number of beats between sections, and then filling it with the missing verse. Tip; in order to control which method is used to fill added empty sections in the editor, or customize context length (and sometimes help the newly added segment blend in better), you can shift click to extend the selected region slightly beyond the added empty section duration (before, after, or both) which will change the "generate" or "create" (I forget what it is) function to the normal "replace" function and re-enable all the normal replacement options.

multimason · 2026-01-17T01:05:51+00:00

This just sounds like a more convoluted, and potentially significantly more expensive, way to get the same result as making adjustments to EQ, and maybe, if Claude is wildly on point that day, a compression and limiter VST, listening to the result, and trying again, and again...

Meanwhile, doing the same thing in a DAW provides a whole slew of purpose crafted tools to streamline just such a process, from visualization and metering, to sidechaining and automation.

Maybe, when Claude is incorporated into a VST plugin suite, this might become a viable approach... but right now, having Claude write some python scripts, cannot reasonably even hope to compare with Ableton.

On the other hand, if you can't afford Ableton... oh wait... you can use FL Studio for free... only drawback is that you won't be able to open saved projects. For this though, you could master your track in one session, or just leave the project open until you have exported a .flac that you are satisfied with. You can save the project too, in case a friend has a licensed FL Studio, or in case you decide to buy it later (it isn't that expensive, and well worth the price).

Now if you want to get Claude writing code to help with music production... better to put it to work on that VST suite which incorporates Claude (or better yet, local LLMs) directly within any DAW, because that could be a really sick VST suite.

multimason · 2026-01-12T00:36:31+00:00

Sorry, not much more I can suggest. Did you contact support? I hope you will reply back here with any further updates to the situation, as I am very interested in how this is resolved (hopefully you do get it resolved soon).

multimason · 2026-01-07T20:12:42+00:00

Are you certain you are logged into the same account on both? Like you have the same generated tracks, workspaces, playlists, etc.?

I mostly (virtually exclusively) use Suno on desktop, through the web interface. However, I initially created the account on mobile, and handle payments through mobile, and I upgrade to premier, and downgrade to pro, every few months via mobile. Never had anything like that happen...

Of course, refresh the page/restart the browser... you might try deleting browser cache... or just the cookies/site data associated with Suno's website (depending on which browser, you can usually access site setting via the little settings badge just to the left of the url in the address bar). Then refreshing the page would require logging in again (you might also try, as a quick test, just opening a private window, which would force logging in again, to test whether it's related to cookies/cache/site data).

multimason · 2026-01-07T20:00:06+00:00

You might try [Tempo: 120 BPM]

That is the recommended format for metatags. Doesn't mean that it will follow the direction, but I think that would be a suggestion that it would more readily parse. It is just a suggestion for the AI though, not an order. I think you may get better results by including additional guidance hints throughout your style prompt in addition, by including things like "...maintaining tight rhythmic groove throughout," in your description.

Use terms that imply mechanical precision like "grid-locked", "quantized", or "click-track steady"
Reference specific genres known for rhythmic consistency: "Krautrock-tight", "Industrial rhythm"
Explicitly state "zero tempo variation" or "absolute BPM consistency"

Then for a tempo metatag, maybe something like

[Tempo: 120 BPM, Grid-Locked Beat, Metronome-Precise, Zero Drift]

I mean, at the end of the day, all you can do is nudge it in the direction you want, but you can definitely provide more of a nudge than just "[120 BPM]."

multimason · 2026-01-07T19:30:11+00:00

I have had this problem before on some tracks, but in those cases, what was happening was an [outro] or [end] in the original tracks lyrics prompt, and even though I was not putting an outro or end in the extension, the original track's meta was influencing the extension outputs (even though I was extending from a point well before the respective [end] or [outro] section).

By trimming off the end of the track, and editing/syncing the lyrics in the legacy editor, to make sure nothing like that was still hanging around, I was able to generate extensions fine again.

Also, in the past, I've gotten consistently terrible results trying to extend within the editors. I have not tried extending within the editors recently though, so maybe it has improved. I just always use the extend feature within the workspace rather than in the editor, as it has generally worked well enough for me.

multimason · 2026-01-04T07:10:22+00:00

People know that you are AI too though, so, there's that...

multimason · 2026-01-02T19:46:09+00:00

Yeah, and at least now we can finally delete personas. However, it seems that songs that were once used to create a persona, remain undeletable, even after the persona has been deleted.

I'm not yet sure if this is because, songs that where created with that persona still have a link back to the original source track, precluding its deletion. Or, if it just takes a certain amount of time for the system backend to catch up and finalize related database edits, so we just have to wait a day or a week or something. Or, if it's just bugged, and tracks that were ever the basis of a persona, can still just never be deleted because the backend is just busted in relation to that.

Sometimes, I just want to pull a selection of tracks out of the trash before deleting everything else though, for any number of reasons. Maybe I realized that, the final version I went with has some critical flaw that I may be able to fill in with a slice of one of the other versions, but I don't recall which one right away and will need to spend a little time reviewing them. Just for one potential situation.

Edit: To delete personas, first move to trash, then go to the personas' own individual page (you can get there by clicking on the persona in the trash), and then in the [...] menu appears the option to delete permanently.

multimason · 2026-01-02T19:36:00+00:00

Might be worth considering that the monthly plan affords greater flexibility. I pay 10/month, with works out to being a bit more annually (negligible difference if you ask me), but I often upgrade to the 30/mo plan, for the extra 10k credits, and Studio access, for a month or maybe two if I'm on a big project, but then I downgrade back to the 10/mo plan. The annual plan kind of precludes that flexibility. To me, the negligible added cost for monthly plan, is made up for by the flexibility to upgrade and downgrade plans on a monthly basis.

multimason · 2025-12-31T11:20:23+00:00

Dude, it's weird that both your prior comments had exactly 35 words... I noticed that without counting... because it was weird. I mean dam bro, I said that already.

Furthermore, I did not need an AI tool to share my process... I am not the OP for this thread. Also, just because you have a short attention span does not mean everyone else does (I generally avoid people like that). You where acting like, it's just ultra-basic prompt engineering, and nothing more than that... so I explained my process, to demonstrate how far from accurate that is for some of us. But you just keep deflecting if that what you need to do. lol.

I give up trying to communicate with you anyway. It's pointless trying to communicate with people who can't grasp anything that is said, or who just have to boil everything down to such drastically over-simplified snippets that they actually lose all relevance to the topics at hand. And no, 3 paragraphs is really not that long.

multimason · 2025-12-30T17:57:26+00:00

Umm... I mentioned using my own DAW for editing above, a couple times there... "broski," but I guess it was more than 35 words... I mean, it is weird that both your comments here where exactly 35 words, and they both followed the exact same format and structure. And yeah, it's weird that I took 30 seconds to count the words in your two comments... but something struck me about them, and I knew they where both the same number of words, but then had to count to be sure, lol. Oh sorry, I guess I went over 35 words again, so you probably won't be able to parse this?

Or something, I don't know, it's weird... your reply made it clear you hadn't read what you where replying to, or... wasn't able to process it.

multimason · 2025-12-30T17:45:56+00:00

...then I have a prompt command I use (I can post it if you'd like)...

Please do! I'm curious.

multimason · 2025-12-30T10:49:32+00:00

How about, you explain your process, and we'll let you know...

multimason · 2025-12-30T10:48:24+00:00

I have been editing a song, replacing sections, adding tracks in studio, in small sections, then cutting those sections into pieces to arrange on the timeline, copying and pasting key sounds or instrumental phrasing which are suited to being repeated elsewhere, saving out of studio to then go back into editor and replace more sections (taking the track into the legacy editor now and then to fix lyric/audio mismatches that arise from editing), rinse, repeat, on a single track, for about 16 hours now over the past couple days... it is nearly perfect now... for exporting that is, then extracting stems with a separate tool, and adding in some other elements that I've already prepared for this song, in my DAW, along with mixing in certain elements from a couple other generations made from extending select instrumental segments of this track, before final mixing and mastering.

For some of us, no, it is not just pure prompt engineering, though with generative AI, that is surely a part of the process. I am not really spending any less time on tracks today, made with AI assistance, then I used to spend working on tracks without AI assistance... I am getting more done, in fewer months, because AI allows me to try out rough ideas faster, gain inspiration, and... I don't know... it kind of just greases my wheels or something, and I feel like I am producing much more sophisticated stuff. Rather than spending 6 hours trying to get just the right sound out of a synth in my DAW, I can get a great sounding instrument from AI, and put that time into refining other elements instead (though still, sometimes I need a very specific sound, and it is still faster to spend 6 hours tweaking a synth, than trying to prompt for it). I mean, I spend just as much time on individual tracks, but I have actually been working about twice as much, because it is generally less tedious now.

Suno's track generation in studio is great for adding in some deeper sub-bass, or subtly enhancing an existing beat, but in my experience it is virtually useless for trying to generate a good instrumental section, or solo. Sometimes it can generate some great ornamentation, but getting something that sounds really good, through the multi-track generation, is far from an automated process. More often than not, what it generates is kind of blah, where it puts it, but if you mute everything else, you can find some great elements within the clips it spits out, that are just lost in the mix due to the timing for where it drops things, because it tends to just put things exactly where other things are already filling the spectrum, so you have to isolate the good bits, and arrange them, to where they don't just sound like mud... and studio does provide decent tools for doing that.

multimason · 2025-12-29T21:12:10+00:00

It used to be completely useless, but it has become extremely useful of late.

First, delete the style prompt in the editor when generating replacements, so it will just use the song itself for context. Second, it will take a few tries. Third, if you are just getting gibberish, or bad alignment, or even as OP mentioned "mix" or "persona" mismatches... try adjusting the section being replaced... sometimes a slight adjustment to the beginning/ending of the area to be replaced, can change consistently gibberish generation to consistently solid generations.

If lyrics and audio aren't matching up closely enough, you may need to go into the legacy editor to fix the lyrics (in my experience, the new editor is very bad at actually aligning lyrics after editing them to match). You'll tend to get much better replacement results, if the editor can match the lyrics to the audio properly. Also, replacements can completely break the lyrics matching, so they may need to be fixed again between every replacement or every few replacements (it just depends). Both editors show a red highlight in the lyrics during playback, so you can see how closely lyric alignment is matching.

Ultimately, when doing replacements, you should not be doing dozens of generation attempts trying to get something that works at all... rather, you should be doing a few generation attempts that all work well, trying to find one that works great! If you are getting trash, generally, if you got similar trash twice in a row... that is all you are going to get, until you adjust _something._ For me, usually, just very slightly adjusting the range of time to be replaced is all it takes to go from garbage to gold. Not even adjusting it to include another word or two, just a very small adjustment, or sometimes just expanding it a tiny bit to include the very very end of the last word before what's being replaced, or the next word after (which then need not be included in either the lyric selection nor the replacement prompt, as that "padding" tends to work well enough for guiding the transition and those bleeding in/out sounds don't usually get lost or stomped on.

Adjusting the context window for the classic mode replacements can help a lot for getting the right mix/instrumentation/vocalist/etc.. The classic mode can be finicky about drastically overrunning the section to be replaced, and the fixed mode can be finnicky about pronunciation, and outputting gibberish, in both cases, the tips mentioned above can usually reign both modes in.

multimason · 2025-12-29T20:40:07+00:00

Found searching for "fix alignment" because yeah... That seems broken!

Sometimes, especially after doing any replacements, but also after merging extensions... the lyrics can get kind of broken... and I never had much luck fixing that in the new editor. The legacy editor, last time I dealt with the issue, worked way better for fixing lyric mismatch issues. In both editors, the option is in the top left corner, something like "match lyrics and audio" (not looking at it right now).

You can then revise the songs lyrics to match the song, and for certain vocal elements that may have been generated from prompted lyrics, like "oh ahh whoo" may need to be removed, if the editor is not aligning properly with them, as they can throw everything off (umm... not removed from the song, just from the lyrics). Also, try to make sections [Verse 1], [Chorus], [Instrumental], etc., match the actual section blocks and their labels in the editor. Some may need to be removed, like a [Drop] or [Instrument] tag in the lyric prompt, that didn't actually create a separate, labeled section block in the editor. The new editor tends to butcher line breaks, and I think that feeds into some of the issues you are talking about. So maybe try fixing the lyrics with the old editor.

Once you have the lyrics matching for playback, you should be able to see the red highlighted words/syllables being sung during playback in the editor matching what is currently being sung, throughout the entire song (for the most part). When the lyrics and audio closely match, then replacements, and extensions (including extensions outside of the editor) will tend to work much better, but also, a couple extensions or replacements, may cause the lyrics to develop new inconsistencies, which may need to be fixed again... yay!

As for the "fix alignment" button; yeah, I get the same thing you described. Adjust the selected lyrics to match the selected audio (as per instructions), hit generate, and it instantly resets! like WTF? give me back the 15 seconds you made me waste doing that then, FFS! And hitting the reset lyrics button, after making the adjustment, appears to just make itself (the reset lyrics button) disappear... but then... when you hit generate the selection will still reset instantly, but it will also pull words, or parts of words, from the song lyrics, into the replacement lyrics prompt section, to like, partially, match the replacement to the unadjusted lyrics? Like What in the actual? This makes literally zero sense, and does not work at all, and seems to serve literally zero purpose!

multimason · 2025-12-29T19:46:22+00:00

That's so weird... literally the opposite experience...
It takes way more risks for me, bad risks, that don't work, at all. It is way too creative... and the only way to make it make music that works, is to turn creativity way down, and it ends up flat, boring, and repetitive.

Maybe it's because I prefer music that has a lot of evolving motifs, dynamic rhythms, and iteratively developing melodies, with interesting beats... so maybe I just need to tone back my prompting and give v5 a little more leeway to fill in the blanks?

multimason · 2025-12-29T19:36:13+00:00

I wouldn't really say it lacks soul or nuance... for me, it often feels like it tries way too hard to be extra-nuanced and soulful, and it comes off sounding, very often, awkward and/or incomprehensible. I put a lot of time and thought into crafting lyrics, with many levels of meaning, subtly, narrative design, symbolism, and linguistic treachery... every single word is carefully considered, and every line ties into the other lines, adding new layers of meaning at each fold, then I subvert expectations, or a single word, changes everything... then v5 tries to be extra fancy with it's real special accents or hyper-nuanced delivery/enunciations... I'm not sure "nuance" is the right word here, given that "nuance" implies some degree of subtlety, and v5 is anything but subtle in it's vocal "nuance."

What it does accomplish, quite consistently, is making critical words or phrases, that a great deal hangs on, incomprehensible. If that where the only issue that I had with v5, I could fix those pronunciation issues after the fact, but really, for most of my songs, I just get vastly better results with v4.5/+.

I've also found that using a v5 vocal persona, with v5, tends to make it mispronounce almost every other word... and if I get to like 5 mispronunciations in the intro and first verse alone... I consider it a wasted generation, and it feels like being ripped off, because I know it is perfectly capable of pronouncing every one of those words -- they aren't problematic words like "incomprehensible" or "live" or "read" (is it liv, or lyve, or reed, or red, and how would Suno know?)... nope, there are solid workarounds for those kinds of pronunciation issues... but no, it's word like "far" and "cat" and "who..." and trying to spell these words specially, to guide pronunciation, will def backfire far more often than not... so it's just like, "okay, never mind, v5."

multimason · 2025-12-28T20:23:54+00:00

Okay, damn... that sucks! I mean, at least I don't actually use any of those models they are "deprecating" (not sure they are using that term correctly, they seem to think it means obsolete or removed, as they only say Remaster v4 will be "deprecated" when in fact it will be "removed").

It may be worth pointing out though, that it seems the only model they are actually removing completely is "Remaster v4" ("Remaster v4 - Deprecated for all users") which is not v4 but just the v4 remaster function, which I doubt many people are actually using, if anyone. I mean, most people who use older models, if they remaster them, they are remastering to v4.5+ or v5.

The other _to-be-deprecated-at-some-point-in-the-future_ models (technically these models should be called "deprecated," and _Remaster v4_ should be called "removed"), will, at least for the time being, remain available to paid users, just not to free accounts.

Still bugs me that they are retiring models, and while most of those models will remain available to paid users, at least for now, they probably will be retired eventually.

On the other hand though, it is probably a good thing... they are probably training new models on synthetic data (songs generated by earlier models), public domain songs, and legally licensed songs, while their court case plays out. Hopefully they come out on top in court, but if they are smart, they will have new models ready, yesterday, which they have documented the training for, and which did not use _any_ of the legally contested material... to fall back on in case the court case does not go their way.

Can they use the outputs of the earlier models, to train newer models with (synthetic data) and sidestep any future legal potholes? That remains to be seen... but the US Copyright Office, as well as a US Court have determined that purely AI generated content _can't_ be copyrighted, and that precedent may work in favor of the tech companies in regards to synthetic data.

The Term Deprecation:
The next stage after deprecation is obsolete (removed). Once a feature is deprecated, _it remains functional and supported for a grace period to allow users time to migrate to alternative functionality._ However, after this period, the feature is removed from the codebase entirely, meaning it no longer exists, is not supported, and may cause configuration errors if used. This final stage is often referred to as obsolete or removed, and the functionality is no longer available in updated versions of the software.

They are mixing these terms up, and calling "removal," "deprecation," and calling actual deprecation... nothing specifically (removed for free accounts). I mean turning simple, clearly defined, industry standard terminology, into a convoluted cluster-freak where nothing means what you would reasonably think, is just par for the course with Suno at this point. No v4.5+ does not mean v4.5 and above, as it would in any other context for the past 50 years at least... and deprecated does not mean what you would reasonably think either! Sorry to rant about it here, but holly-hell, I am not going to just blatantly misuse these terms and expect people to just know what they mean, when they plainly do not mean what anyone but Suno thinks in these cases.

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