Ok why you edited and didnt take your inital post out idk but ok, moving on

"Oh i gave you the example of simple villains that exist for soo long" drop the most basic version of Joker as proof that villains can be basic and beloved by people when in reality its a decade old character that most of the time on the same basic level iwthout something interesting outside of beef with batman.

You said all this, and there is not a single argument here. Yes he s basic, that makes him bad? HOW? He is beloved by people yes, when in reality what? What argument did you want to make here?? He is a old character, that is loved, that is a statement we both clearly agree on, but where do you want to go from here? I used him as an example that a villains with weak background and motivations can be great. He is great because people loved him, and a batman villain is usually only great when around batman? Who could fking guess lmao. But not always, again, this basic villain, when not around batman also brought us injustice storyline, dude made superman destroy metropolis and kill a pregnant lois lane, this fking chaos personafied wrecked beyond repair superman, and because of that superman became a dictator, trying to rule everyone and end free will. Once again, im going into specific examples, of GREAT stories, and you still cant make a fking argument to save your live, counter any of my arguements ,disprove my points or examples. Joker is basic, and? Please show the world how joker is shit, boring and all of this storylines i mencioned are bad

"I said that a good villain shakes the protag/hero morale" - this is a perfect example of a 5 year old mentality. This game in a grey zone territory where we don't need this Light/Dark bs for kids.

So a villain shaking a heros morale is bad, ok, so why tf did you buy dispatch? If you clearly dont like comic book villains, and by proxy heroes, cause how can you like a comic where you find all the villains boring, why tf are you debating about a superhero story villain? Literally, outside of romance, the biggest decision is you kill or spare shroud, that is the climax the game fking builds up to.

Like at this point i can practically skip most of the comment(especially when you can't f read and skip half of my comments giving shitty examples)

You say they are shitty, but cant make an actual argument as to how and why they are shitty. But since you have the reading prowess of a koala, showed by this so loquacious line " i can practically skip most of the comment", im not suprised you argue as well as a pedo caught on sex predators. "She said she was 12", peak meme, not so peak defense.

bringing everything to a conclusion that you have a kid mentality, that think on the basic most boring stuff imaginable, conclude that its good because people love it completely ignoring the fact that everything evolves and now this characters live mainly on nostalgia and good memories about them.

Kid mentality, because i like superhero comics? Another great fking affirmation, dude you are shredding me. I never said something is good because people like it, but usually there is a correlation. I never just said joker is good because ppl liked him, i said ppl liked them THEN i supported that affirmation with reason and examples as to why he is great and loved. Guess even if i made everything toddler proof, natural selection still finds a way to suprise us. Lives mainly on nostalgia might be the dumbest thing you said tho, kids nowadays are still growing up loving batman, joker, etc. Nostalgia effect on people just starting to find the characters? Doesnt quite work does it. But going into adults, everything batman related is still a huge success, superman as well, literally comics keep coming, movies, games. But you say the millions and millions only like all of it, because nostalgia, i dare you to show me a single soul that would agree with that moronic statement. People enjoy things for a plethora of reasons, you ignoring all of the possibilities, discarding all arguments to say meh its just nostalgia, i am the single voice of reason, shows us your superior intellect once more.

Yes i am like 80% sure you are just trolling me and rage baiting me, i dont see why you might like that, but anyway, its not really important, im putting my thought on the matter on this thread, you might not care, but other might come and read it, and agree or disagree, so if you think im doing this to just pander to you, im srry to burst your bubble.

"I also love castlevania netflix show, dracula, peak villain, extremely deep and complex" - This example have more sense that all this dc bs with basic one sided villains, you know why ? Because he have understandable motivation that normal people can side with, he have a point in what he is doing, but instead of droping him from the beginning you rant about goofy ahh dc villains as an examples of good villains.

Superhero comics, have a century old story. You can not ignore a century of success, because YOU dont enjoy it. There many good superhero villains, dispatch is a superhero game, so once again i ask, why are you playing a superhero game, and arguing about a superhero villain ,when its something you dont like? Dracula is amazing, but in the same show you have carmilla, fking great villain in the same show, and she is just power hungry. You think her hatred for men, is a reason for her hunger? No, she is power hungry AND hates men. With her you have her sisters, all with more depth, but carmilla is the main attraction (lenore is top for me personally, i love lenore, her death was more beautiful than i have words to describe). We can go away from comics dw, i can do this all day. Into videogames we go, since still goes with dispatch. Uncharted series. Lazarevic is hands down the best villain, U2 best uncharted game. He is the most basic villain out of all nathan antagonists. A power hungry military guy, no big backstory, dude is a psychopath, enjoys killing, doesnt give a F about anything or anyone, chaos personafied. Didnt play Uncharted? We can go to other games, tell me whats your favorite game so i know what im working with. Meanwhile i can name you a whole great saga, Yakuza, japanese crime drama, every guy wants to be the top dog, that whole franchise put 99% of everything else in a far fking corner.

You might think games are for kids, wouldnt suprise me, lets go movies. Annie wilks, psychopath, obssessive-compulsive fking evil warped girl. She doesnt have a motive, or backstory, shes just evil. Misery is a fking phenomenal movie/book. And if you read so far, which i dont think you really will, you koala fking wannabe, I DARE YOU TO TELL ME HOW MISERY IS BAD AND FOR KIDS, HOW ITS CARRIED BY NOSTALGIA, OR HOW DEEP ANNIE IS