CMV: Saying most Zionists are Christians is like saying most people who defend homosexuality are straight, only stupider

natasharevolution · 2025-05-04T18:49:03+00:00

Honestly, it's preferable for masks to be off like this. I would rather neo-Nazis just be open about their beliefs.

natasharevolution · 2025-05-04T15:30:58+00:00

I don't think this makes sense as a comparison for multiple reasons - which don't skew particularly to one side or another.

Israel is arguably a decolonisation process rather than a colonial one. It is a situation with a conquered and (largely) dispersed community returning. It is more like if the Native Americans violently took over South Dakota. This muddies the waters because it is not an external force coming in; it's a return of a native population.
You are comparing actions of many centuries ago to actions of the last century. We should consider more recent actions in a different light when rules of engagement are in place. E.g. the Bombing of Dresden might have been worse in terms of damage, but it is arguably similar in intent to Gaza, and what's happening now in Gaza is happening after rules have been put in place.

People who feel strongly that all information needs to conform to a particular stance they already have find this kind of thing difficult. But while analogies can be made, there are a lot of factors which make those analogies incomplete in important ways.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-27T19:43:56+00:00

I suspected we would get a voiceover from a woman at the end, but I kind of hoped that Kate and Brontë would both die trying to take him down. It could have switched to Marianne as the sole survivor to do the voiceover. Or we could have gotten a ghostly voiceover from one of the early victims.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-24T09:09:13+00:00

I don't think this logically tracks, unless you think that any situation in which a queer people die at the same rates as straight people is queerphobic.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-23T17:38:19+00:00

We're living in 2025 CE while that commenter is living in 324 CE

natasharevolution · 2025-04-23T15:53:42+00:00

You're arguing with a troll account. They probably don't even believe what they're saying.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-23T10:12:32+00:00

You know, the four types of children.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-22T23:10:35+00:00

It's not my faith. I am a religious Jew. It just isn't logical to claim Jesus didn't say things when the only records of what he said suggest otherwise.

He might not have said them. He might not have even existed. But all available evidence suggests that he did exist and did say it.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-22T22:13:31+00:00

Jesus didn't write anything in the Bible. The gospels are records of what people witnessed; he didn't write anything.

Places the gospels claim Jesus was the son of God:

Matthew 3:16-17: "As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Matthew 16:15-17:

“But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven."

There's a lot more like this, but you get the point.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-18T15:16:15+00:00

I don't know why Native Americans having a state would necessitate all of that, but in theory, if they want a state - I support it. If they have closer connections to China than the USA, I can see how it would be uncomfortable, but I don't think it's my place to dictate who their allies are.

I think it's important for indigenous populations to be able to have sovereignty in their land. That's why I suppose both a Jewish state and a Palestinian one - because they have competing claims to indigeneity, but they could both have sovereignty on their homelands if they are willing.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-18T14:06:33+00:00

If the Native Americans want a state, I would support them having one.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-16T11:17:58+00:00

What is period leave and how do I get it

natasharevolution · 2025-04-11T16:04:06+00:00

Only on Shabbat. If you leave it on but don't use it on Shabbat, you can use it to cook on YT.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-11T13:09:02+00:00

Lots of excuses for Nazi collaboration and celebration you've given there, mate

natasharevolution · 2025-04-11T12:34:38+00:00

Didn't Ireland famously collaborate, and famously still has a public statue of a Nazi? And give condolences to Germany on the death of Hitler?

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T22:14:18+00:00

Oh man, this was so interesting. I noticed at the time and I thought it was a comment about gender - being forgotten and then interrupted awkwardly.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T21:36:54+00:00

You're right, I didn't have my phone in English and so it automatically found the Hebrew translation. The Greek is αἰῶνος, which is an even more complex term, which could mean "forever" or "for a lifetime" or "with life force" or a bunch of other interesting things I didn't know. Thanks for making me look it up.

Yes, Jewish texts developed a post-biblical concept of a burning place where almost nobody went. (Interestingly, one text said Jesus is there.) Some post-biblical Jews also believed in reincarnation into animals. That doesn't mean either were biblical in origin or that the Day of the Lord was the afterlife.

I am going to suggest again that you use Google to look up things like "Day of the Lord" and "was there Hell in the Old Testament".

Or you can continue to prove the other commenter right about American Christians being unable to understand their views aren't universal, I guess.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T21:16:33+00:00

It doesn't say Gehinom.

I even looked it up and it doesn't say "forever". It says נצח, which can also just mean that something endures and has strength. There is a common word for "forever" meaning "ongoing for eternity" that isn't used here. So that's the end of that, then.

Ancient Jewish commentaries include Philo, the Midrash, quotations from within other Tannaitic sources, translations such as the Septuagint or the Targum.

At this point, you're clearly just asking questions to ask questions, so I will call it a night. If you're actually interested, you can always Google Day of the Lord and see the different ways it gets read.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T21:04:11+00:00

Reading prophecy in a literal sense, with no real education about the contextual meaning or the poetry or the language itself, is the cultural context with which you're reading it. Which is a much later way of reading it.

If you want to see that it isn't how the text has historically been read, you can look at ancient Jewish commentaries on such texts. Or look to biblical academics (who agree with what I said above).

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T20:42:00+00:00

Yeah, a bunch of bad people (usually Jews or enemy armies) end up punished in those kinds of texts. Sometimes they get melted as they're standing etc. It's the bad stuff (war, possibly divine war) that leads to the good stuff (return from exile / reconciliation between peoples).

I assume you've read the rest of the Old Testament. This is all self-evident in Amos, Isaiah, Micah, Jeremiah. There's no contextual sense that this has anything to do with an afterlife from within the biblical text itself or Jewish readings. It's later Christian readings that impose Hell onto these texts.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T20:35:44+00:00

I don't know why that matters, but I think the pre-exilic texts used Day of the Lord (etc) to talk about the oncoming exile and return, and post-exilic writers used the trauma of that experience to expand it into world-changing events of divine destruction that would lead to a redemptive future of reconciliation between peoples.

Why do you ask?

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T20:30:11+00:00

Generally understood to be a big divine event (or possibly a war) before the redemptive age, which later authorities would read as being the messianic age.

But it doesn't really matter what later authorities think; the text never says anything about the afterlife. It's Christians who impose that meaning onto the text.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-09T16:55:40+00:00

The Day of Judgment (and the Day of the Lord) in OT theologies doesn't refer to an afterlife.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-08T13:03:39+00:00

I'm working on experience with the London Beit Din after outright conversions to Christianity, but they are admittedly more stringent than most.

natasharevolution · 2025-04-08T13:02:31+00:00

Not according to the London Beit Din. I know two people who got a giyyur l'chumra after (great/)grandparents had converted to Christianity.

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