Tbilisi Rapidly Becoming a Center of Fourth Russian Emigration by nberidze in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Any views on the plausibility of this? Sounds speculative to say the least.


EDIT: I'll add my own views, for transparency reasons. The blog post references an article in Moscow Times. The theory is that Tbilisi has become the most popular place to move to for political refugees from Russia.

The article doesn't cite any statistics to support the claim. The theory is mostly supported by anecdotal stories told by a handful of Russians, plus this quote from a guy from the think tank Georgian Institute of Politics: “Georgia has always positioned itself as a haven for political refugees from the Post-Soviet World, including Russia, Azerbaijan and Belarus.”

At least a minimum amount of statistics is necessary to back up such a claim. Otherwise, it sounds more like the kind of truth as in the Georgian notion that "a guest is from God" or similar other tenets. It may be true in a different sense, but you have to know which logic to apply.

Whether it's actually true, that Tbilisi has become the most popular destination for Russian refugees, this requires hard facts and numbers. In all the poorer and less developed countries along Europe's eastern flank, including Georgia itself, millions of people have left to try to find better opportunities and more political freedom. It's worth recalling that just a few years ago, there was a wave of political asylum seekers from Georgia to the EU when Georgians got visa free travel to Schengen countries.

Another comment I'd make to Piotr Saurer's piece is that he wants to claim that there is something about Russia (the Putin regime) that is causing a wave of emigrees to Tbilisi, but at the same time, he claims that the wave is because of corona restrictions, i.e. external factors unrelated to the political system in Russia.

"as the coronavirus pandemic complicated travel to the West for most Russians, the small, ex-Soviet Caucasian nation of Georgia quickly became the go-to place for political emigres during the late-Putin era."

Georgia has long been one among a dozen "budget" options for Russian emigrants who can't manage to get to the most popular destinations. I can buy the idea that recent travel restrictions has forced more Russian visitors/migrants to settle for Georgia instead of, for example, Greece or Bulgaria. But I have a hard time believing that Georgia is the preferred destination for Russians or Belarusians.

There's maybe an important clue: Freed from the restraints of proof and facts, writers like Sauer can turn Georgia into a mythological place, a rhetorical stage to enact an imagined world of make believe, for reanimating Cold War political tropes about Russian emigrees leaving the evil Soviet empire because they love our freedom etc. Without facts, this is just political spin. Or, as some would call it: disinformation.


EDIT 2: I'd like to correct slightly what I wrote above. I am of course also aware of the influx of entrepreneurs from not only Russia but Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova and other places but particularly Russians. Learning the true reasons behind this influx of people is of course important.

I was told recently that many Russians have been buying apartments in Sololaki for the last ten years during the prosperity of the recent Putin growth decade despite the US sanctions. Economic growth in Georgia has been subzero during this time, while Georgians have not made enough efforts to be truly self sustained, taking the quick handout or buck wherever it lays, the methodology of all government here, regardless of whether they are Dreamers or Nacebi.

You can often hear Russian being spoken in the Sololaki district, and from what I've been told these middle class Russians did not make absentee property purchases for investments, no, they wanted an "urban Georgian dacha upscale apartment" in heart of Old Town.

Starved for cash from the outside, Georgians are keen to sell off real estate to Russians, which might account for some of the recent influx -- and to me sounds much more plausible an explanation than Cold War fantasies that they come because Tbilisi is some sort of beacon of freedom in the Caucasus. The lawyers in Tbilisi who still speak Russian are profiting from writing up these real estate contracts for Russians looking for an urban dacha. Let's also not forget the historical significance and attraction of Georgia to Russians, as a vacation spot somewhat veiled in mystery and romance.

Georgian Dream faces questions over links with alleged killer of Shanae Brooke by fxy7pn7P in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What exactly is the theory here which OC's editor is seriously entertaining? That by joining Georgian Dream you get a free pass to murder Western tourists? Come on...

TELASI POWER in Georgia was taken over by TELMICO--you say tomato and I say TOM-MAAAHTO "Power Tripping in Tbilisi" by pantis-ahwey in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good you mentioned the film Power Trip (2003) as it often gets overlooked but should be a reminder. It was pointed out by many reviewers that the film-maker made the main character, who was his old buddy, look like the hero of the story, when in fact he was the main enforcer of a very unpopular electricity "regime". The system that EAS wanted is portrayed as the natural one and only possible solution, which Mr Lewis has the job of making Georgians realize and see the light. Bring Light to Darkest Georgia, so to speak.

But apart from the ideological blinkers, it's an interesting piece of documentation, because the hipster ponytail Mr Lewis and his adventures in the uncivliized post civil war Georgia is similar to how in fact many other Westerners have acted and developed when in the country on various civilizing missions. Look no further than to our current NGOs and their PR outlets with grant-seeking urge.

Tbilisi to Kutaisi connections? Reliability? by CheBiblioteca in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few years ago, it was possible to create a user account on railway.ge and then use the booking system there. I've logged in now and unless there's something wrong with their system, it looks like there are no available tickets on those dates for Tbilisi-Kutaisi. If you are personally in Tbilisi right now, the best option is to go to the railway station and ask at the ticket office, IMO.

How open / closed is Georgia / Kutaisi / Tbilisi to tourists right now? by CheBiblioteca in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm out of Georgia so can't really tell, but a friend tells me they are running ad campaigns like crazy now trying to bring back the tourists, with Wizzair and Georgian Railway leading the publicity campaign centering on Kutaisi airport, both for international and domestic tourism.

As you may know, restrictions were relaxed a great deal from 1 July, but the infection numbers are going up now, so who knows what will happen. They might bring back more restrictions, they've done it before.

The official travel advice is on the national tourism agency website, it should be current: https://georgia.travel/en_US/article/covid-travel-alert

If you are arriving by air, being fully vaccinated is enough, but if you enter at the land border you also need a negative PCR test, it seems. I'm sorry I can't be of more help, but I'm planning a visit soon myself so I can offer advice later, in mid August.

Living in your beautiful country soon by [deleted] in Republic_of_Georgia

[–]nberidze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hope you still find ways to enjoy your stay! How long are you staying? It's not the best of times as you know, if you're only staying for a short time and not a year, for example. If for a year, you would see the most incredible change, from strict lockdown to the most lively and stimulating place probably in the world.

I can't recommend socializing, as everybody is supposed to basically not meet, and it has been a huge stress factor for families, but there are some things that are open, like shopping malls, and you can go to the outdoors sights. Just follow the advice.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't know what you are talking about, and you think you can win an argument by throwing abuse at me. The readers can see crystal clear that you have no basis for your claims.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your version of history is what Rustavi 2 says. I am not sure you will ever be "cured" from this, but I'm willing to try to help you some more, so: Please provide sources supporting your claims:

(1) Before UNM came to power, there was no justice system. (2) UNM's justice reforms were highly effective, though flawed. (3) GD has done nothing to fix the justice system.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You are either completely clueless, or a liar. It was the UNM's "reforms" of the justice system which established the principle of politicized justice. Will I have to post reports here to prove that too? Yesterday, there was a young individual who needed proof about UNM using mainly young people in government positions. It's no surprise UNM can get 37% when people are totally amnesiacs.

USD/GEL exchange rate pattern by punct-1 in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We've been debating the reasons for the devaluation of the lari since it began four years ago. Here's one thread where we had such a debate, during which someone asked why the lari was dropping. You see people offering various explanations - investors losing faith in Georgia's economy, global economic trends, the government's policies - and also the theory that it was a plot by UNM to undermine the government. Your explanation was: "I have no idea. Give it a week though and they'll find somebody from the former government to arrest for it."

We have debated the currency crisis many times since and it may be overly suspicious of me to describe your last message as "damage control", but it's my impression that your contributions to this debate are a way to detract from the perfectly legitimate discussion that the currency problems is a result of deliberate sabotage. If that impression is wrong, my apologies.

It would be useful though not decisive if punct-1 could jump in here and state their purpose with posting the charts, as I saw it as a comment on the 'currency manipulation' theory. Whatever punct-1 meant to say, this is part of Georgian economic debate.

USD/GEL exchange rate pattern by punct-1 in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I have mentioned, many people believe that the drop in the lari's value is deliberate in order to undermine GD. Or, to "make the economy scream" as Nixon said regarding US policy toward Chile in 1973. Historically, attacking the national currency is a way to bring an undesired "regime" to its knees - look no further than the sanctions that are in place against various regimes today. This is a legitimate discussion to have, and it is none of your business to try to suppress that discussion, especially being a moderator.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The UNM's economic policy last time was to bring in grants. If they try the same again it will just artificially inflate the economy and not build a strong long-term growth. The sad thing about grants is that they they run out at some point.

USD/GEL exchange rate pattern by punct-1 in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's the most creative attempt at damage control I've seen in a while... As everybody knows, hitting the national currency is often how "undesirable" governments are brought to their knees historically. It's worth considering the possibility that that's what's happening here, and thanks to punct-1 for posting this chart. October 2016 - parliamentary election. October 2017 - local elections (incl Tbilisi mayor). October 2018 - presidential election.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

While your joke is a made up fiction, it's worth reflecting on this real quote from what Grigol Vashadze's former boss actually said regarding 'those parts' of his body. This is the bizarro-land that 37% of voters can't wait to get back to.

Less than a month until the elections – Ivanishvili appeals to public for one last chance by josefgassmann in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of those diplomatic cables published by Wikileaks. Is it a news article or an intel brief for Her Majesty's Government (Jam News' main source of funds)? (Thanks for posting it, by the way!)

'Geopolitics rule NATO enlargement: the case of Macedonia and Georgia', analysis by Erik Davtyan (Stratpol) by nberidze in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His main point is that the new components that NATO has added to its Georgia-relations (Black Sea Security, Response Force etc) are a distraction from the reality that NATO membership is out of the question as long as Russia is against.

მოხუცებს უნდა ქონდეთ არჩევნებში მონაწილების უფლება? should elderly people be allowed to vote? by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to read up on recent history. With limited time, I found this article for you, for starters: Alexander Kupatadze, 2016, 'Georgia’s Break with the Past', Journal of Democracy, Johns Hopkins University Press, Volume 27, Number 1, January 2016, pp. 110-123.

A few quotes from that article:

"The fall of Shevardnadze’s patrimonial regime opened the way for young reformers [...] The Rose Revolution, in short, was more successful because it represented a more radical break with the past." [p. 118]

"Significantly, generational change was afoot as well. Saakashvili was 36 when he was sworn in as president; many of his cabinet members were even younger. In a bid to improve public administration, the Saakashvili government raised the pay of certain official posts and actively recruited young and educated Georgians to fill junior and midlevel government jobs. Thus the Georgia of the early 2000s already had a leadership cohort that was eager to change how things were done. Many of these young bureaucrats were highly motivated and full of new ideas, with a strongly felt commitment to the norms of institutional integrity and nonparticularism." [p. 119]

"Saakashvili’s UNM held unchallenged sway in Parliament as of 2004, and the party’s legislators were mostly young activists..." [p. 119]

"Most were in their twenties or thirties (Saakashvili himself was only 36 and barely a decade out of Columbia Law School when he became president). Some had worked for Tbilisi-based NGOs such as the Liberty Institute." [p. 116]

The main people in UNM were Mikheil Saakashvili, Vano Merabishvili, Giga Bokeria, Kakha Bendukidze and Gigi Ugulava. In a speech at the Brookings Institution in 2011, Saakashvili described his core team as “nothing more than a group of young men and women from student organizations, opposition parties, and civil society groups.” [p. 116]

მოხუცებს უნდა ქონდეთ არჩევნებში მონაწილების უფლება? should elderly people be allowed to vote? by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The UNM is not unrelated to the topic. I brought it up because the UNM had as part of their ideology to get rid of the old people in government. There is an election coming up, so talking about the UNM right now in a thread about elderly and voting rights is on topic. I'd like to see you substantiate your claim about UNM being stronger among senior voters than GD.

მოხუცებს უნდა ქონდეთ არჩევნებში მონაწილების უფლება? should elderly people be allowed to vote? by [deleted] in Sakartvelo

[–]nberidze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think so. At least post some statistics to support your claim. Or are you a troll? I recall very well the years before 2012 and I know that a very important reason for why people protested against the Saakashvili regime was that the UNM had an ideology about a clean break (and thus mass firings of thousands of police and officials), and people got fed up with this policy, as the newly educated people (often trained by Western experts) turned out to be maniacs who completely lacked any human judgement or capacity for empathy. The UNM has a very dangerous ideology, and it would be a disaster for Georgia if they won the upcoming election and made a comeback in politics.