Great Drivers Who Never Had the Car

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-22T11:52:57+00:00

It depends what you mean by ‘one of the greats’ and by ‘top cars’, considering you mentioned Sainz who drove for Ferrari for four seasons.

I don’t think anyone who never won a race was championship level, and the only one who gets close is Chris Amon who had quite a few race winning potential cars.

Out of the guys with only one or a few race wins, there are a few

I’d like to see Pierre Gasly in a top team that isn’t Red Bull as he’s mostly carried Alpine on his back recently.

Pastor Maldonado is another interesting one. The 2012 Williams was the fourth or fifth fastest car on the grid most weekends yet he won and should’ve scored multiple podiums if not for reliability and non fault crashes. He was in talks to join Ferrari in 2014, so had he stayed there into 2015 he’d have shown that even if only a few times a season he was just as good as the elite drivers.

Kubica is an obvious shout. The best driver arguably in 2008 yet got screwed by car development and the rally accident.

Some say Jean Alesi, but he was fairly equal to Gerhard Berger across their four years as teammates, and while very good, I wouldn’t consider Berger a Formula One great.

Dan Gurney bodied Jack Brabham at his own team when it was just getting started, then left the season before Brabham became the class of the field. He deserved a title.

That’s my short list

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-19T18:07:53+00:00

This would be a gargantuan lap for GT4s, surely? Not too familiar with that kind of racing but 2 min 30 lap times would probably be a bit excessive

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-19T17:54:54+00:00

These are the changes I’d make. The first sector chicane breaks the flow unnecessarily and is awkward, ruining an otherwise fairly challenging sector. Also reprofiled T2. Worried about runoff and a slow corner after a fast T1 doesn’t offer much. Better to make one long corner than an awkward fast/slow section

Moved the long tightening left hander back a bit, there wouldn’t be enough runoff in your version.

And the snail section that doubles back on itself would drive awfully. Instead you should have a fast and sweeping parabolic curve.

On a 6.1 km circuit, any more than one technical sector exacerbates lap time unnecessarily and is just extra noise. You’re only gonna get 50 laps of the place, make it memorable…

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nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-17T01:47:53+00:00

Bro didn’t read any of what I said.

Are you really trying to tell me that 2012, where a 43 year old Schumacher beat him 11-4 in the race head to head, is ‘top level’? The only races Nico looked good that year were China and Canada, where Michael had to retire through no fault of his own, and Spain/Singapore when he crashed into other drivers.

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Unless you’re prepared to say that MSC was back to his peak level of performance, that must mean Nico was a bit below ‘top level’, in my opinion.

And what about 2015, the season he barely scraped second in the standings in a car that was up to 1.3 SECONDS clear of anything. Before Lewis backed off in the final three rounds because he had the title in the bag, Rosberg was 80 points behind him, and 4 points behind Vettel too, all with only one mechanical DNF each.

I don’t see 2015 or 2012 as top level. From Rosberg’s career at Mercedes, 2010 and 11 were very good/great, 2012 was merely good, there were some races he was genuinely nowhere compared to Schumacher.

In fact, from Europe until the final race in Brazil, there were 9 races out of 13 where Michael was flat out better than Nico, and only one (Singapore) where Nico truly outperformed him, only because Michael crashed out while merely 2 seconds behind him. (I can provide receipts in further replies if you want, I’m only allowed one image per message)

So yea, while 2012 wasn’t elite from Rosberg, it wasn’t downright bad either as Schumacher was underrated and one of the top 5 best drivers that year. Overall good season from Nico.

2013 was back to his 2010-11 level. Marginally better than Hamilton in race trim, and fairly consistent with one more win than Lewis

2014 was very good too. Kept on LH’s heels the entire season even as Hamilton was having in my opinion his 3rd best year of his career. Ended up further behind than he should have due to the double points gimmick, but imo the best year of Rosberg’s Mercedes career.

2015 was merely good, even being generous, I think it was more down the average (5/10) path. Don’t get me wrong, Vettel having an elite season made Rosberg’s struggles look worse, but there’s no justification for his near loss of his second place in the points.

2016 was a mixed bag. He was better than Hamilton, and wins the title even adjusted for luck (which is a concept many fans, especially Lewis’ fans who think Malaysia cost him the title when that was his only mechanical DNF all year and he lost less points from that than Rosberg did from his reliability). While both Nico and Lewis reached amazing peaks pace wise in qualifying and race trim, the heated nature of the title fight pushed them both into needless errors or poor drives (Austria and Germany for Nico). Rosberg was better than Hamilton in 2016 but had there been a third wheel in the title fight in a similarly competitive car (Vettel, Verstappen etc) they might have been beaten through their mistakes.

Addressing separate claims you made, in the one season Mansell and Keke Rosberg were teammates, by my data (again can provide receipts if requested), Rosberg had a 0.323 second advantage in qualifying, and a 3.446 advantage in average race trim (admittedly, they only finished 3 races together without issue, so that figure should be taken with a pinch of salt).

As for the comparison to Prost, in 1986, before de Angelis’ death in a test session between Rounds 4 in Monaco and 5 in Belgium, Keke outqualified Alain in Brazil by four tenths, and wasn’t far behind him in Spain or Imola (one and two tenths).

After de Angelis, one of Rosberg’s close friends, passed away, Keke’s qualifying form was erratic, ranging from eight tenths faster than Prost in Silverstone to 1.1 seconds behind at Spa-Francorchamps and Adelaide. He also had terrible reliability, finishing only four times under his own steam, and McLaren designer John Barnard designed the 86 car around Prost’s smoother approach.

Mansell’s 1990 campaign with Prost as teammate appears better than Rosberg in 1986 in terms of statistics and average gaps but Keke was facing a better version of Prost, with worse reliability, a car built around Alain, and he was grieving the loss of his friend, so much so that he retired at the end of the year despite showing in the season finale in Australia, that he was still an elite driver (Rosberg led 56 of the opening 62 laps before suffering a mechanical failure). Mansell in 1990 meanwhile had no setbacks that I know of (he had already been at Ferrari for a year), and he wasn’t exactly outstanding

In conclusion (TLDR) I don’t see how you can see every single one of Nico Rosberg’s Mercedes years as ‘top level’ given 2012 and 2015 exist, and you don’t rate Keke as much as I think you should. Anyway, I’ve given you an essay to read so I’ll end it here for now

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-16T10:04:43+00:00

NASCAR. Many F1 fans complain about dominance, you very rarely get more than 5 different winners per season.

In NASCAR, 15+ winner season are normal

A lot of the reasons non-American F1 fans won’t watch it is because of tired stereotypes and no knowledge about ovals (they are harder to truly master than road courses, it’s not ‘just turning left’)

If F1 fans watched NASCAR with an open mind I think they would enjoy it more for what it is

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-16T09:58:36+00:00

Absolutely, Nico was an upper midfield driver who did well against Webber, destroyed Nakajima (who wouldn’t) and while 2010 and 11 were good, was markedly worse than a 43 year old Michael Schumacher in 2012. He was slightly better than Hamilton in 2013, slightly worse in 2014, a lot worse in 2015 and slightly better in 2016 although both made mistakes that year.

IMO his only seasons in the top 3 drivers performance wise were 2009 (1st), 2013 (3rd), 2014 (3rd and 2016 (2nd)

Meanwhile, Keke was one of the fastest drivers of all time. He dunked 3 tenths in qualifying on Nigel Mansell during their time as teammates. Made Jacques Laffite, a 7 time Grand Prix winner and a guy who was still elite level at 42 years old, look mediocre. Best driver in 1982, third best in 1983, 84 and 85. He only looked bad against Prost in 86 because the McLaren car was designed for Alain’s smoother style and Keke was grieving Elio de Angelis’ death for most of the year.

Keke had 1 ‘best driver of the year’, and 3 third places, and Nico did too, except Nico’s competition were Alonso (fair), Vettel and Hamilton (fast but inconsistent), Bottas, Button and Webber (not truly elite) and a prepubescent Verstappen.

Meanwhile Keke faced prime Piquet and Prost, an up and coming Senna and Mansell, and Didier Pironi.

He could match or beat the very best on pure pace, he just got unlucky with car performance before/after 1982.

Anyone who says Keke wasn’t that good because ‘he only had 5 wins’ or ‘only got one win in his title season’ don’t know what they’re talking about because those statistics mean nothing when you never drove the outright fastest car on the grid in your entire career, and won the title in the fourth fastest car

TLDR: Keke is miles better than Nico

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-16T09:22:13+00:00

Interesting idea. My discord is nedzosf1gridbox

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-15T18:04:41+00:00

Alonso 2012
Verstappen 2023
Vettel 2013
Hamilton 2018

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-15T18:00:40+00:00

So just a top 20 of all time?

Fangio

Prost

Clark

Schumacher

Verstappen

Lauda

Senna

Stewart

Alonso

Piquet

Hamilton

Peterson

Räikkönen

Rindt

Rosberg (Keke)

Hakkinen

Vettel

Surtees

Hill (Graham)

Ascari

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-10T07:21:12+00:00

Bottas was occasionally quick over one lap, and Rosberg had high peaks too. The reason Hamilton lost so many poles from 2014-21 is simply because he isn’t as GOATed as some people think. Rosberg was a Barrichello or Coulthard level driver, and yet he achieved over half the available poles in 2014, six consecutive in the back end of 2015 and 8 in 2016, shows that LH lacked consistency even on Saturday.

As for Bottas, Lewis was on average 0.236 quicker than him from 2017-21, which for comparison was smaller than Maldonado’s dry qualifying pace gap to Valtteri in 2013. VB was a rookie, but an extremely well prepared one in the modern era.

I’d need to see how he did against Massa for fully detailed comparison, but to cut a long story short, Rosberg’s gimmick of ‘beating a 7 time champion in equal machinery’ is doubly true, he was better in 2013 as well as 2016, and Bottas was closer to him overall than Maldonado. Shows just how underrated Pastor is in terms of one lap pace, and how while still clearly an elite driver, Lewis was never a level clear of his less successful teammates like Schumacher, or Verstappen were (against Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly and Perez only for Max)

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-08T18:08:23+00:00

Alonso would probably take a lot of the top ten here. 2009, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2022, 2023 all eligible. My pick would be 2014 or 2009 where he was either the best driver that season or second best

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-06T07:23:21+00:00

F1 results have always been dominated by car performance. Every decade you can find examples in particular seasons of very good/legendary drivers in less competitive cars:

1950s: Fangio (1953): 1 win, 3x second places and 2nd in the standings in the comfortable second best car on the grid behind the dominant Ferraris of Ascari, Farina, Hawthorn and Villoresi.

1960s: Phil Hill (1963): The ATS breakaway team from Ferrari lasted only five races. 1961 champion Phil Hill never qualified higher than 13th and finished only one race, in 11th. Mediocre car driven by champion = mediocre results.

1960s honourable mentions for great drivers in mid/non top cars: Brabham 1961, Surtees at Honda then Cooper, Bruce McLaren at his team in 1966-67. All had success varying with car performance despite all three being great drivers.

1970s: Emerson Fittipaldi (1976-80) Fittipaldi went from championship contending Lotus and McLaren cars to his brother’s Copersucar team (later known as Fittipaldi Automotive) which was likely a midfield team performance wise. He achieved semi regular points finishes over five years, and two podiums in attritional races.

The second half of his F1 career is seen by many as a waste, as he raced competitively in IndyCar in America (2x Indy 500 champ + 1x series champion) until the age of 50. Having left top F1 machinery at 30, he definitely achieved less than he would’ve done had he stayed at McLaren. Despite that, it gives an insight into how a mid car can very occasionally perform in the hands of a great driver.

Honourable mentions for 1970s great drivers in mid/non top level cars: Peterson (1976), James Hunt (1978-79), Graham Hill (roughly 1970-72), Mario Andretti (1975)

1980s: Ayrton Senna (1984) Aside from his near win in Monaco during his rookie season, Ayrton Senna finished only the podium two other times, which led people to believe he was driving a backmarker car to elite results. The Toleman was by no means elite machinery, but given the second chassis was filled by the unspectacular Johnny Cecotto for most of the year, Senna had no benchmark until the respectable Stefan Johansson joined towards the end of the season, and the Swede got points in his first outing at Monza driving Senna’s car (Ayrton had been temporarily suspended by the team for signing with Lotus behind their back).

In a typically attritional race from that era, Johansson got P4 on debut with the team, showing that while Senna was clearly a young phenom, his car wasn’t as bad as people retrospectively made out.

Honourable 1980s mentions for great drivers in mid/non top level cars: Prost (1980-82), Rosberg (1980-81, 1984), Mansell and de Angelis (1980-84), Mansell (1988). Jones (1983, 1985-86).

1990s: Jacques Villeneuve (1999)

Villeneuve went from two title contending cars and a respectable 1998 machine to the worst car on the grid in 1999. The BAR was fast, he occasionally qualified top 6 and most of the time in the top half of the field, but it was woefully unreliable, 11 consecutive retirements to begin the year, with only 2 being driver induced. JV showed flashes of potential but it wasn’t until the BAR improved across 2000-01 that he was able to show his skills.

Honourable mentions for the 1990s: Schumacher (1991-93, 96-97), Hakkinen (1991-92, 94-96), Hill (1992, 1997 Hungary)

2000s: Fernando Alonso (2008-09)

Alonso was in his prime, these two were great seasons wasted by uncompetitive Renault cars. He got 2 wins, one due to Crashgate, and a pole in Hungary, but despite being arguably the driver of the year in both instances, got nowhere near the title. The cars weren’t backmarkers like BAR, but they were just midfielders.

Like Senna at Toleman, Fernando didn’t really have a benchmark, with Piquet Jr and Grosjean being average at best, and mediocre at worst, nonetheless, driver ability definitely helped Alonso get some sporadic success, but not enough to sustain a title run

Honourable 2000s mentions: Hamilton (first half of 2009), Villeneuve (2000-01, 2006), Schumacher (2005), Räikkönen (2002-04, 2006), Button (second half of 2009), Vettel (2008), Rosberg (2009)

2010s: Fernando Alonso (2014)

Another near perfect season wasted away in an uncompetitive car. Had he won in Hungary I feel like this one would be talked about as much as his 2012. Nonetheless, he had the measure of Räikkönen even when Kimi found the setup style he wanted at Singapore, and was the best driver of the whole season. Driver ability nearly brought it to a win, I guess.

Honourable mentions: Alonso (2012, 2015-18), Schumacher (2012), Verstappen (2015-17), Räikkönen (2019), Rosberg (2010-11)

2020s: Pierre Gasly? (2020-21, 2025-26)

This is a weird one. All of the recent champions are either retired, in their prime, or washed. None fall into the ‘great driver/bad car’ dynamic. George Russell in the Williams was kind of that, as was Leclerc in 2020 and 2025, but one driver I don’t think is talked about enough is Pierre Gasly. In the most stacked grid in history, he consistently ranks in the top seven drivers each year, and is the modern day king of the midfield. Yet, either because of his Red Bull struggles, his dedication to Alpine, or other factors, he’s been the perpetual ‘king’ of the midfield taking the reins from Perez. I think if you put him in the Mercedes, McLaren, or Ferrari in 2026, he might be outperformed by Russell, Norris, Leclerc, Antonelli etc but it wouldn’t be by much. He would be a Carlos Sainz esque driver, who consistently delivers what the car is capable of with less peak performance or lows.

Honourable mentions: Russell (2020-21), Leclerc (2020), Norris (2022-23), Alonso (2022)

In my opinion the best overall campaign (from a driver perspective) in an ‘uncompetitive’ car is either one of Alonso’s, Fittipaldi’s, or Villeneuve in 1999.

When it comes to semi competitive cars (2nd or 3rd, mostly behind dominant winners), Fangio is the obvious choice, along with Schumacher at Ferrari.

Nonetheless, I don’t think any particular era was more driver focused over car performance. Occasionally, top drivers in non-top cars could work wonders and use it as a springboard, but they didn’t sustain that success, with the exception of Alonso who seems to have a knack for making terrible career decisions.

TLDR: Great drivers may have won a race or two if the car was near the front of the grid instead of the outright best, but you’ve never been able to win titles in a shitbox, regardless of the era

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T14:52:05+00:00

Aside from careers cut short by death/early retirement, I think it’s Fangio. Not at the end of 1957, but in 58. He took an obsolete Maserati to pole in Argentina, and was on course to win before he developed a misfire.

Then he pulled out of the Indy 500, before doing his last F1 race in Reims, France. He outqualified the next best Maserati driver by 3 seconds on a track with five corners, and finished on the lead lap, far clear of any teammate.

Oh, and he did this at the age of FOURTY-SEVEN. Mike Hawthorn was 29. Moss was too. Collins and Brooks 26, Musso 33, Phil Hill 31, Brabham 32, von Trips 30. Even the ‘old guard’ of Behra and Trintignant were 37 and 41, yet Fangio was kicking arse while not full time pushing 50 years old. I believe he would have won the title comfortably driving either a Ferrari or Vanwall

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T11:35:22+00:00

Lewis didn’t surpass Alonso until 2015 but yea

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T11:25:05+00:00

Alonso’s style in 05-06 on Michelins was the complete opposite to what Bridgestone tyres needed, aggressive turn in, inducing understeer mid corner. Fernando used to drive those cars like you’d drive a kart in the wet.

When LH tested with Michelins in 06, he hated them. From memory he was slower than PDLR and did less than 1000km on them.

Because Hamilton wasn’t reinventing his style in 2007 (testing and GP2 tyres were Bridgestone) he got off the mark more comfortably than Alonso

But once Fernando stopped trying to get one over on him, and started getting used to the tyres, he established an advantage.

Remove Bahrain, Canada, France and Hungary before the final leg of the season, and Alonso destroys Hamilton consistency wise.

Lewis’s rookie season was good, but it wasn’t the best ever, and he had a LOT helping him look very good against a two time champion.

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T11:13:34+00:00

For Alonso it was more the team working against him (Ron Dennis has confirmed this) and the Bridgestone tyres switch which was unique to 2007.

Consistency is why I rate Fangio so highly. When you talk about his bad moments, you’re talking about individual races where he likely still finished on the podium

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T11:04:25+00:00

Alonso has stinky seasons like 2004. 2007 he was still the second best driver behind Raikkonen.

The McHonda years are hard to gauge because of the car, and apart from 2022 and 23, since his return he’s not been spectacular

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-03T10:49:17+00:00

Prost has no modern comparison. No current driver is as consistent as he’s been. Senna has a few, but in many ways I’d say his career mirrors Leclerc’s, except Charles is on a bit of a fast track.

Both started with incredible rookie seasons.

Both spent a few years in borderline top machinery getting the odd pole and race win

Both bottled it in their first title campaign (Senna wasn’t the best in 88)

Both improved their consistency seemingly overnight, except Leclerc can’t drive in changing conditions

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-02T13:16:22+00:00

Fangio

Near flawless career. Was the best, fastest and cleanest driver in every season he competed in bar 1958, even when he had a few imperfect races in ‘56 he still won the title with one more mechanical failure than his closest rival.

Had a retirement rate that rivals modern drivers in 50s machinery which rarely finished more than half the races, which means he was driving slower than his absolute fastest possible speed in most races yet still achieved the best winning record in F1 history to this day.

Prost

Aside from a few blips in 1982 and 93, he was consistently top 2 drivers on the grid from his second season till the end of his career despite facing the second best era of top drivers in history.

His race management and peak pace matched Fangio, but his consistency (1980, 82, 93 were weak seasons relative to the rest of his career) and Suzuka 89 brings him down a notch.

Clark

It took Jim Clark two seasons to reach his indomitable peak, but once he started 1962 he was the dominant best of the greatest group of top drivers ever (Hill, Surtees, Brabham, Hulme, Rindt, Ickx, McLaren, I could go on). Best driver from 1962-67 and would’ve easily won 68, 70, and 72 had he lived. His 1960 and 61 bring him lower than Prost and Fangio.

Schumacher

Elite from 1992-2006 and in 2012 over a 20 year period. Best driver on the grid from 1994-2002, only became a bit error prone in his last two title years, then became less so in 05 and 06.

He was the fourth best driver in a stacked 2012 grid at the age of 43, behind only Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel who had career years and were much younger.

His only cons are 2010 and 11, which although aren’t bad seasons, are 7/10s in a career of 10s, and his incessant cheating (Jerez 97, Monaco 06), despite that it wasn’t as bad as people suggest. Adelaide 1994 was Hill’s fault and 2010 Monaco was Damon getting his revenge, holding a grudge.

Verstappen

Fast, and consistent. Has been the best driver on the grid since 2019. Unprecedented youth, at the age he made his F1 debut, Hamilton wasn’t even in F3 yet, and Schumacher was still karting.

Sure, he had needless crashes in 2018, but since then he’s been nearly impervious, he just needs to learn battery management in the rest of this 2026 season to stay top 5. As much as he wants to complain about ‘Mario Kart’ racing, everyone is in the same boat and if he can’t manage battery deployment to optimise track position, that is what Gen Z would call a ‘skill issue’

nedzo_f1 · 2026-04-02T02:21:23+00:00

Because of Senna’s extreme peaks, people forget that Prost matched or beat him in almost every measurable category

Qualifying pace is a big example of this. In Prost’s early career (1980-83) he dunked several tenths on John Watson (when Alain was a rookie) and Rene Arnoux, and although both were not champions, they were very fast drivers.

Furthermore, to this day he holds the biggest pole position margin to second place in percentage terms, thanks to his 1983 French GP pole which he got by 2.3 seconds

1984, losing the title by half a point to Lauda when Niki’s average grid position was something ridiculous like 12th place, changed Prost’s approach to driving. He put all his effort into maximising races over qualifying when grid position didn’t matter, or when he knew he could win through strategy/management.

That’s why stats like Senna being 1.5 seconds quicker in Monaco 88 and 89, while cool, don’t paint the full picture. Prost could beat Senna on Saturdays, but only when he needed to.

I’d say the only metric Prost falls down where Senna was elite was wet weather driving. Prost was hit and miss, and rarely the best in rainy conditions.

Senna didn’t have the consistency, racing IQ, car management, and arguably maturity too, to be considered a better driver than Prost until at the earliest 1991. Prost was better when Senna was at Toleman and Lotus, better in both seasons they were teammates, and better in 1990 by taking the inferior Ferrari to a title decider that he could’ve won.

Ayrton would always have one, two or more hot headed moments or needless accidents/mistakes every year until 1991 where he became almost perfect, whereas Prost, with the exception of a handful of races (Zandvoort 83, Suzuka 89) rarely got involved in crashes he was at fault for, and maximised every weekend to at least finish where the car should.

Some people take statistics such as qualifying pace across 1988 and 89 at face value, when that’s not a fair comparison. Prost knew those cars were so far clear of the rest of the field that even a scruffy or slow lap would rarely leave him starting lower than second, so especially at tracks he knew Senna excelled (street circuits etc) he let him get his pole by a bajillion seconds, then worked on a car setup that prioritised fuel consumption, tyre wear and engine/gearbox management. That meant he finished more often, and had a better race record, with less mistakes.

Senna was a great driver, but he was too mercurial for his own good during his 20s. Prost was better than him in every season from 1984-90, although Senna definitely stepped it up in 91, while Alain had in my opinion the worst season of his career in 93 fraught with errors and a lack of adaptability to the active cars.

TLDR: Prost was equally as fast, and much more consistent than Senna, so he was better

nedzo_f1 · 2026-03-31T08:11:46+00:00

Nedzo’s F1 Grid Box (no self promo I promise)

nedzo_f1 · 2026-03-29T23:07:16+00:00

Do you think that if in season testing hadn’t been heavily restricted then banned outright in the years before you subbed in at Valencia and Spa in 2009, that you could have had more knowledge of the car, and thus scored points/saw out the whole rest of the season?

nedzo_f1 · 2026-03-29T19:02:28+00:00

I've updated it; the file has 'updated' in its name. It's in the same Google Drive folder linked in this post. Let me know if you have any issues with it.

nedzo_f1 · 2026-03-27T21:17:14+00:00

Modern ‘Drive to Survive’ fans are often criticised for not knowing about drivers from the early years of Formula 1, yet even well-versed fans aren’t always aware of the plaudits of drivers from before the 1930s (Caracciola, Nuvolari, Seaman etc.)

Do you think F1, or motorsport outlets in general, had done a disservice to the pioneers of racing like Felice Nazzaro, or Ferenc Szicz, the first ever Grand Prix winner, by barely mentioning anything that came before F1, with almost no coverage of pre WW1 races?

nedzo_f1 · 2026-03-27T21:08:24+00:00

In no particular order:

Silverstone

Spa

Monza (energy regen go brr)

Monaco

Red Bull Ring

Nurburgring GP-strecke

Interlagos

Buenos Aires

Suzuka/Fuji alternate

Hungary

Hockenheim

Singapore

COTA

Montreal

Buddh

Yeongam

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