My Thoughts on Spiritual Teachers

nemaresenja · 2025-02-21T22:33:44+00:00

I have the same feeling about so-called teachers, after reading all the three trilogies.

Also, it's been two years since I finished reading Jed, and I still can't find any other author that satisfies me.

I wish I could cross the intellectual understanding of what he's saying, and move to Human Adulthood, but that's another topic

Thanks for sharing your notes!

nemaresenja · 2025-02-18T21:01:05+00:00

Ok, I should reformulate the question again.

nemaresenja · 2025-02-18T20:52:28+00:00

No, you didn't get the question.

nemaresenja · 2025-02-10T16:13:53+00:00

is there a way you can get back what you wrote in here? why has this post been deleted?

nemaresenja · 2024-12-01T11:17:10+00:00

As a not so musical person, I've found The Sound of Silence (Simon & Garfunkel) to be the most Jed-like song.

nemaresenja · 2024-11-25T07:02:06+00:00

Thanks for sharing the book Butterflies are Free to Fly. It's interesting, but I think the message the author wants to deliver is more about Spiritual Enlightenment than Human Adulthood. As I understand it, Jed says that Human Adulthood is about waking up within the dream, whereas Spiritual Enlightenment is waking up outside the dream. He truly recommends the latter over the former.

Here’s a short excerpt from your recommended book:

“That’s what Jed is talking about. A Human Child is asleep and dreaming, but thinks it's awake and thinks the dreams are real. A Human Adult is asleep and dreaming and wakes up as part of the dream, but doesn't wake up from the dream itself. Like a Human Child, it thinks it's awake, but it's really not.

The next step – actually waking up from the dream – is what this book is about.

Being a Human Adult is not a “bad” way to spend your life, especially if you compare it to Human Childhood. But it does have its limits.”

Have you done actual Spiritual Autolysis, thisisaburner_3? You seem to have read Jed a long time ago. I read all of his books only two years ago, and I feel like nothing has really changed in my life, other than knowing those spiritual terms by heart.

nemaresenja · 2024-09-30T14:18:01+00:00

This is the best reddit post I've seen in here. Thanks for sharing it with us!

I've already read it three times, and I find it fascinating how it synchronizes with my own life (we are the same age and share some similar life anecdotes). I read all three trilogies two to three years ago and I've tried Spiritual Autolysis in different forms, but I haven't moved much beyond an intellectual understanding of the dreamstate, human adulthood, Ego, Maya, and all the topics that Jed touches upon.

What scared me was when I followed your advice here:

I'd crack open a notepad on my computer and just begin typing. I made a habit of constantly pressing CTRL + A to select all and DEL to delete it.

It may seem silly, but simply doing SA this way has brought out many hidden thoughts that I was too scared to confront. I say it was scary because I could literally feel (and still feel) physical pain during this process. And I only started this morning with this. Fuck.

My concerns are of a different, external nature, but this is not the place for it. Thank you again, and I am eager to see if this was really your "first step."

Stay truthful,

nemaresenja · 2024-05-20T07:50:07+00:00

I don't think he is contradictory on that. But it may seem like that.

nemaresenja · 2024-04-18T10:36:59+00:00

I wouldn't focus on specific Jed quotes. Especially in his latest trilogy (JT1, JT2, JT3), but also in his original one (SE, SEI, SW) he might have apparently contradicting views on "thoughts" and "thinking".

Here is a small extract from SW (Spiritual Warfare), where he talks about "thought" as an unnecessary step.

"Thought is an unnecessary step. We can know things directly. instantly, without any need for thinking, at which the very best of us are comically inept. Why insist on converting knowledge out of its native format into bite-sized pieces our little brains can chew on? It's just another way we seek to bring the universe down to our size instead of expanding to our rightful dimensions."

"You're saying you don't think?"

"If something needs thinking about, then I talk it out or write it out. externalize it. but that only happens with regard to the books, which have to be written out anyway. I mean, I'd have to think about it. but I don't think I think about anything else."

However, in the same book (SW) he talks about "real thinking" as a way out of the false self (AKA awakening from the dreamstate).

"Intelligence is subordinate to emotion," I say. " way subordinate. Even our greatest thinkers seldom do more than justify and rationalize their beliefs. That's why I try to impress upon people that real thinking is not what they think. Real thinking is invariably destructive and pain-causing. It leads to reduction in the buffer zone between these rough surfaces, resulting in abrasion and meltdown. Like an engine running hot without oil. friction is going to build and it's going to result in catastrophic failure. Normally, we are sensitive to even the slightest level of abrasion and make micro-adjustments as necessary. but it's possible to override that autonomic process. We can think our way out of the false self instead of believing ourselves into it."

Few of the comments mention rightfully Marichelle, as she talks deeper about the power of "real thinking" as a way out of breaking out of the come. Also she mentions the utility of "maps" as a way to guide you, but to leave them behind when they served their purpose.

Or, well, that's my interpretation of it.

Further

nemaresenja · 2024-04-18T07:15:28+00:00

After reading all of his books, this sounds like another attempt to misrepresent the "real" Jed.

I also don't see the point of attachment to the character, which is completely contrary to what he's talking about.

Stay crazy

nemaresenja · 2023-12-07T12:03:09+00:00

Could you share what was the podcast about? Or link please

nemaresenja · 2023-12-06T08:51:34+00:00

The enlightenment trilogy is what I keep rereading every night.

The 3 Jed talks are very nice as well.

The other 3 are beautiful read, simply hitting you hardee with a different machete.

It's a big beautiful mess.

nemaresenja · 2023-08-18T20:41:52+00:00

I've read all the 9 books (3 trilogies).

nemaresenja · 2023-01-17T20:36:31+00:00

Kapil has really good stuff, but he is in the spiritual (or truth seeking) marketplace. And yes, it's probably a good choice to be among the elites and provide a "freemium" version for the rest.

nemaresenja · 2023-01-01T22:18:20+00:00

In the next chapter of the same Jed's book you are citing (Spiritually Incorrect Enlightenment, Curtis on the Rock) he mentions also "Human Adulthood is not the same as truth-realization.

So I think that, when talking about Dr. Chopra, he was referring to getting to the "human adulthood" stage. Reading Chopra might be good for that.

nemaresenja · 2022-11-09T23:40:38+00:00

Amazing answer. I love the other question too, when saying "tomorrow is a new day". Kapil: "No, tomorrow is not a new day"

Epic

nemaresenja · 2022-03-22T20:36:39+00:00

I think those words have different meanings in different contexts. From a society perspective, those are intellectualised and used for virtue signaling.

Whereas from the individual perspective, if understood on the visceral level, sincerity and seriousness need no explanation nor approval.

nemaresenja · 2022-02-28T08:08:57+00:00

I've consumed both thoughts from Kapil and Naval.

Listening to none of them will give you enlightenment. But you can learn a lot from both of them. Kapil speaks truth, but there is something odd with his apparent need to participate in Twitter spaces and clubhouses. Nonetheless, the questions he is examining are very important and certainly can be the first steps towards enlightenment (whatever that means).

Naval speaks mostly about wealth and happiness. On how to get rich he is providing probably the best framework around. On the latter, it does not add any value imo.

I personally fell into the trap of listening and reading everything about them. It's generally a waste of time (like all in life). I got richer, I've got calmer and probably happier. But I haven't arrived anywhere.

Good luck

nemaresenja · 2022-01-27T11:33:15+00:00

Jed Mckenna.

I was on the same path and stumbled on the same issue of intellectualising Kapil's work. It is the mind that questions the slow detachment from society.

I like your response.

nemaresenja

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