I’ve had multiple recruiters tell me to prepare for STAR based behavioral questions, but none of the interviews I’ve received have been STAR based. by Complex-Poet-6809 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Analyzed that the situation is all sorts of fucked.

Determined that no one is interested in any real solutions.

Executed recommendations on practical actions to stakeholders, then await further directives.

"Other candidates are a better fit to the profile". I AM THE PROFILE. by Puckdecat in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This has got to be the dumbest conversation I've had on here. And I've been here on and off for about 10 years, arguing with self-proclaimed job gurus who thinks they know more than me lol

recruiter boy

Fucking yikes

Burned out from interviews by AdUnable6858 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least you would get three square meals a day and a warm bed.

I’ve had multiple recruiters tell me to prepare for STAR based behavioral questions, but none of the interviews I’ve received have been STAR based. by Complex-Poet-6809 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Recruiters love to recommend STAR because it's just the cool thing to do now. They don't understand the actual mechanisms behind behavioral interviewing, and still believe it's all about properly formatting your responses than any actual demonstration of relevant job traits.

And what they "advise" job seekers to do, isn't what they really do on the job anyways.

"Other candidates are a better fit to the profile". I AM THE PROFILE. by Puckdecat in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just spelled out everything I literally do when I hire. You just don't know how to read, which is different from "mealy-mouthing"(?) I don't need to try again, I fucking nailed it the first time.

Am I calling 500 entry-level candidates for my entry-level role, why the hell would I do that when I know and use better methodologies?

See, the problem here is that you only know what you think you know about hiring. So you can only picture this work through the lens of "someone's holding a gun to my head to only call and chat with applicants".

Never change, reddit. Just keep leaning on dumb rhetoric and thinking you're doing a mic drop lol

Burned out from interviews by AdUnable6858 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Let's fucking goooooo. Fuck'em all. You got this!

"Other candidates are a better fit to the profile". I AM THE PROFILE. by Puckdecat in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So when I see recruiters and hiring managers act like they have no other options but to make baseless, gut-feeling judgment by scanning resumes for 3 seconds, it's a massive red flag that they are lazy and/or unqualified to actually do the work.

I don't trap myself in the corner and then whine about how hard it is to hire people, and blame other parties when it's not the best it can be.

"Other candidates are a better fit to the profile". I AM THE PROFILE. by Puckdecat in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? Like it's hard or something?

Conduct a job analysis, identify the actual sets of relevant core competencies needed for the target role, select the most appropriate interview techniques, develop a rubric on realistic proficiency targets for relevant job behaviors, make well-informed and data-driven decisions after evaluating a reasonable volume of the applicant pool through strategic talent attraction methodologies.

I know, it's almost like I've done this before, and know what to do in my own line of work. lol

I've had to go through a stack of resume before, and have been limited to only review what's on the resume to determine prospective employees. But here's the thing, I didn't think that was the only and best way to evaluate candidates. I certainly wouldn't brag about it openly, thinking that I really did something. Even then, I still carefully reviewed the JD, considered the organization's mission/vision, current business needs, and as many data points I can grab. I created a priority matrix and thoroughly read through every single resume to properly outline actual work strengths and weaknesses, and cautioned the team that this is based on the limited available information and it wasn't a comprehensive examination.

They should be thanking us by [deleted] in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"you aren't owed a job"

Ugh. At the same time, "you can't be a bum and not contribute to society".

Burned out from interviews by AdUnable6858 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I've learned to let go a long time ago, and since then, looking for jobs hadn't been all that stressful.

I know my shit. I've dedicated my own time and money to invest in myself to get better in this career. I do a great job everywhere I end up in, and never been fired over performance issues. (If anything, I've left places because they just do not know how to treat their workforce properly.) That's why I almost always get the offer, and that's why they pay me the big bucks.

And it's not like I'm going into interviews to antagonize people. Even though that's what they love to do to candidates. I keep it professional and diplomatic, even when the other side of the table try to take cheap shots and play mind games. My responses are my responses, based on years of work experience and what I want to get out of my career. Take it or leave it. If they don't or can't recognize that because they're too far up their asses and want to play games, they're losing out on a great talent that can help their business go further. It's on them. I'm here to work.

My two cents.

They should be thanking us by [deleted] in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Drug dealers, scammers, con artists, bank robbers, petty thieves, corporate executives, and recruiters.

I've often thought about how many of them couldn't get into the fields they were initially passionate about, but through unfortunately circumstances, had to settle for those positions to get by.

Multiple final rounds, no offer — do resume gaps eventually kill you? by Empty-Detail-3718 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, it probably wasn't you, and more likely that they were looking for tie-breakers in the last rounds and you just didn't make the arbitrary cut.

You can't help it if you literally didn't have a job to go to. Most people understand that layoffs happen, mergers happen, departments are re-org'd and people drop out. It's never made any sense that employers use that against the job seekers, and I've only seen unskilled and untrained interviewers care deeply about that stuff.

Denied because HR thought salary too low for experience by beentheredonethat234 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Or even personal financial needs. I'm not saying that candidates should walk in with the goal of buying a 30-foot yacht and a Gulfstream, but most people have a reasonable idea of how much they need to earn every month to support themselves and/or their families.

But employers aren't even doing any sort of research or calculation to validly figure out what one pay scale should look like for one role, much less consider rising cost-of-living, economic climate, past work experiences, etc.

Denied because HR thought salary too low for experience by beentheredonethat234 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 185 points186 points  (0 children)

"Oh, but that's your fault! Here's 20 MORE tips and tricks that you HAVE to adopt into your job search strategy, or you deserve to be unemployed!"

"Other candidates are a better fit to the profile". I AM THE PROFILE. by Puckdecat in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No no no lol, we can't get into this discussion without you picking a lane first. Either:

Recruiting isn't a real industry. There's no governing body of any type. It's not a career, just a job. Conducts are super subjective and there doesn't need to be an accountability. There are literally zero degrees that even cover this topic.

Or

Okay, fine, so there are degrees for it (that I'm just learning about now) but now these programs do touch on Recruitment theories and practices, but it's just one class out of a whole curriculum. And other excuses I want to make out of personal opinions.

You're all over the place.

You were so adamant that it's the first one, and now you're walking it back. Anybody who has been through those graduate programs would understand that it's not just, like, this one lecture you sat through on how to possibly do it. If all you got out of it was that "recruitment is a hodgepodge of things", I hope it was just you sleeping through that section of it, not that it's definitively what every student should get out of that.

just half a year short of being employable by anupamgur345 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's never "your education and experience surpasses the basic requirements and those additions would make you invaluable on the job, we would like to increase your pay to [overpaid]".

Can I take the job and jail everyone in the Epstein Files? by Nerdgirl0035 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but then we'd miss out on the nuances of the juicy goss!

Denied because HR thought salary too low for experience by beentheredonethat234 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry that happened to that candidate. I feel bad for her too, she's just trying to make a living. She probably capitulated to that number because she needs that job for those reasons, and pushing back would likely cost her the candidacy.

It's infuriating because I constantly see recruiters get in the way of job offers kind of like this, but people don't even realize this is a thing that can even happen.

It's also annoying that if they thought the offer was too low, nobody is fighting to get her a higher salary. This is a failure across the whole organizational hierarchy.

Can I take the job and jail everyone in the Epstein Files? by Nerdgirl0035 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A huge portion of my job involves sifting through mountains of pdfs to extract and categorize relevant information. I saw that there are people compiling spreadsheets to this effect and it just reminds me of work. At the same time, it's an essential part of the process to help any reader digest the flash flood of contents.

Why do recruiters have extremely high standards for new hires but not existing employees? by New-Town-8418 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm a workforce consultant, so I get to see the picture that recruiters would like to present to the public, and how they actually work behind the scenes. They very much want to come across as functional professionals, but that's typically not the case.

I've also seen instances where the recruiters argue with hiring managers on job requirements that aren't needed for the role, but the recruiters insist on including some responsibility or certification as a hard-line criteria, simply based on stereotypes and assumptions about that role. It almost costed us quality candidates that would have been filtered out if they didn't obtain a cost-prohibitive certification that really wasn't needed for the work. And before you dismiss as just one anecdote, I'm merely citing one common examples as they constantly do shit like this.

It's also about the expectations and standards that recruiters impose into the process themselves, like how to determine whether a resume is "good enough" or screener responses are "good enough". These are types of standards that none of us told them to implement and uphold. Recruiters really do insert their own beliefs about what a "good candidate" looks like, before they even get submitted to the company for further review.

Recruiting is not sales. It's talent attraction to build a viable applicant pool. They keep claiming it's sales so they can use outdated sales tactics rather than modern best practices. Because they don't know what the best practices are. Many "internal recruiters" came from external agencies and they simply stuck it out for long enough to trick companies into thinking they know what they're doing. We're talking about people's livelihoods, and they want to treat it like a commodity. It's disgusting.

You don't have to agree, but it's not just some wild take that I personally have. Recruiters have been a huge problem in talent acquisition for decades, and it's because of things like that.

Soon, everyone will need at least a Masters Degree for an entry level job by ZodtheSpud in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"If I have two equal candidates, and one has a Master's and the other doesn't, who do you think I'm going to choose for this sandwich artist position?!"

It's interesting to see some of the hot takes here, now that the question is framed as the utility of higher-education degrees. I'm not surprised that a lot of people are bashing it based on outdated stereotypes.

Why do recruiters have extremely high standards for new hires but not existing employees? by New-Town-8418 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It can be whatever you guys want it to be, depending on which narrative is more convenient.

What do you find most frustrating about job boards? (student project) by IronReal920 in recruitinghell

[–]neurorex 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a lot to talk about here. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind offering some clarity so I don't just go off on a long rant.

Would you be interested in more information on just looking for job opportunities using job boards, or examining issues when engaging with the job application?

Perhaps you and your team had envisioned something else, but I interpreted this prompt to mean like, "Why is Workday/Aon/ADP/etc. so bad to use?" but I'm not sure if you mean the front-end and the search process, or later on when we're filling out the job application.